The OotS Thread III

[Ralin]

Actually, his cleric powers are fucked anyway because Thor will have taken them away immediately. Until he converts to another deity, he's got all the stats of the aristocrat NPC class without the skill points.

Though he would probably retain the spells he already has prepared. And there's no mechanical reason why he can't immediately convert to worshiping Nerull or whatever before the next time he wants to prepare them.

[Serafina]

At worst it'll require an atonement spell by the cleric of his new god. Gee, i wonder where he could find one...

[Rogue 9]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't. Fallen clerics are in the same boat as fallen paladins, the rules just go into less detail about what exactly makes them fall in the cleric description because you're supposed to figure it out by deity.

[Ralin]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't. Fallen clerics are in the same boat as fallen paladins, the rules just go into less detail about what exactly makes them fall in the cleric description because you're supposed to figure it out by deity.

I can't remember specific examples off the top of my head, but I'm fairly sure there is precedent for clerics retaining spells they've already been granted after pissing off/being cut off from their deities. Though it's something that would vary from setting to setting and story to story. In 3rd edition, at least, once they've been given the spell they have it until they use or otherwise lose it.

[Napoleon the Clown]

I would think that if there's anything special a vampire Cleric needs to do the rules would say. Maybe there's details in Libris Mortis, but I don't feel like digging through it to find out. I'm guessing it usually boils down to houserules, and OotS seems to have plenty of those.

[Irbis]

Actually, his cleric powers are fucked anyway because Thor will have taken them away immediately. Until he converts to another deity, he's got all the stats of the aristocrat NPC class without the skill points.

You mean the same Thor going on drunken binges while throwing lightning around?

I would be kind of surprised if he would even notice until Durkula asks for new spells. If he notices at all, Durkon kind of already broken alignment rules, by being LG cleric of CG deity. Though, the prophecy does suggest Durkon converting to Nergal, so there's that.

[Ralin]

Though, the prophecy does suggest Durkon converting to Nergal, so there's that.

I've been catching myself making that mistake for awhile now, so I'm inordinately pleased I wasn't the first one to let it slip into a post.

[AniThyng]

Though, the prophecy does suggest Durkon converting to Nergal, so there's that.

I've been catching myself making that mistake for awhile now, so I'm inordinately pleased I wasn't the first one to let it slip into a post.

I don't get it, what's the mistake? :S

ANyway, I'm hoping Hel comes in to stake a claim

[Ralin]

Oh. Huh.

Turns out Malack isn't a cleric of Nerull.

Carry on.

[Irbis]

Not Nerull, Nergal. Like in that Robert E. Howard story. Someone hinted by Oracle, no less.

[Lord of the Abyss]

Not Nerull, Nergal. Like in that Robert E. Howard story. Someone hinted by Oracle, no less.

Nergal's a Babylonian god actually; not a Howard creation.

[LadyTevar]

When was it hinted by the Oracle?

[AniThyng]

The oracle fortold he will return to his homelands posthumusly. It was the dwarfs in the on the origin of the PC's book that banished him for he would bring "death and destruction" to the dwarven lands if he returned.

Nergal in OOTS is Malack's god of Death and Destruction...hence the connection.

[Alkaloid]

I gotta say, I like Belkar. He's an evil little shit, but he's funny and Rich can be remarkably subtle with him. I like to think he's considered the rest of the order, except maybe V, to actually be his friends for a while now, and he's pretty pissed at what happened to Durkon. I wouldn't want to be Malack if/when Bekar catches up with him, unless Malack is still the one to kill him. It's more likely to be Durkon at this stage though, because vamp Durkon and his vamp Belkar sidekick will be hilarious.

[PainRack]

Wow....... That last comic really......... hit it home. Its funny, I read the speech bubble in a quick manner, the art is stickwork, but it still hit the emotional spot

[Irbis]

Nergal's a Babylonian god actually; not a Howard creation.

I know, I just referenced something more likely to be read by people...

The oracle fortold he will return to his homelands posthumusly. It was the dwarfs in the on the origin of the PC's book that banished him for he would bring "death and destruction" to the dwarven lands if he returned.

Nergal in OOTS is Malack's god of Death and Destruction...hence the connection.

Yeah, I should have précised I meant the Dwarven one >_>

Anyway, guess who doesn't count?

[Crazedwraith]

oh my, Belkar actually proved useful at something other than killing. Who'd a thunk it?

[Vaporous]

Belkar's eventual death is going to be a heroic sacrifice, if the last few pages of development are any guide at all.

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

oh my, Belkar actually proved useful at something other than killing. Who'd a thunk it?

Hurting people isn't the only thing he's good at. He's also a gourmet chef, remember.

[Ahriman238]

Screwing with Roy is also something he's good at, and enjoys. He took ranks in Craft: Disturbing Mental Image, and annoyed him into showing off his real skills with the gladiators after all. Poking him into rediscovering his spine is simple enough by comparison.

[Irbis]

Screwing with Roy is also something he's good at, and enjoys.

Enjoys? I wouldn't say he looks like he was enjoying it in last panel...

[Ahriman238]

Screwing with Roy is also something he's good at, and enjoys.

Enjoys? I wouldn't say he looks like he was enjoying it in last panel...

Yeah, Belkar seems genuinely torn up about Durkon's death. Makes me wondering how much he really is faking his character growth.

The Order isn't totally sunk WRT casters either. Elan should count, he has a few illusion and a number of healing spells that will be a lot more important without Durkon there to patch them up. Belkar should also have access to limited divine magic, if only WIS wasn't his dump stat. I'm also assuming that V will be catching up with the party sooner rather than later. It'd be a real shame if V first found out about Von Thundershield by running into him personally.

[Irbis]

Elan has Cure Light Wounds. Not only it's useless (mere twitch of high level character gives more damage than it heals) but it effectiveness was reduced by 1/3 merely by party now numbering 4, not 6 people.

Main use of this spell is stabilizing multiple dying characters, and in current party order, it is the most probable result of battle, not matter if against Team Nale or Team Evil

[Ralin]

Elan has Cure Light Wounds. Not only it's useless (mere twitch of high level character gives more damage than it heals) but it effectiveness was reduced by 1/3 merely by party now numbering 4, not 6 people.

Main use of this spell is stabilizing multiple dying characters, and in current party order, it is the most probable result of battle, not matter if against Team Nale or Team Evil

They're, what, somewhere in the 12th to 15th level range now? That's 1d8+12~15 hit points cured. Not the best, no, but it's a long way from useless without a dedicated healer or a few disposable wands of Cure Light Wounds.

[Imperial Overlord]

Capped at 1d8+5. It's pretty damn feeble.