Civil War #7 - Spoilers

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2007-03-08 05:41am

Punisher would never have shot Captain America, even if he could do it, he wouldn't do it as a sniper.

In Civil War #6, after Punisher Murdered Goldbug and Plunderer, Captain was beating the ever living shit out of Frank, and Castle never even tried to defend himself. He flat out refused, he would not lift a finger against Captain America. He idolized the man more than anything else.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-03-08 06:18am

It wasn't Punisher. The shooters are seen quite clearly, Crossbones fires the first shot that hits him in the shoulder and Sharon Carter then shoots him point blank several times.

Sunstreaker · Post by **Sunstreaker** » 2007-03-08 08:24am

Spoiler: The Death of the Dream

Captain America's death

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-03-08 09:56am

Manus Celer Dei wrote:It wasn't Punisher. The shooters are seen quite clearly, Crossbones fires the first shot that hits him in the shoulder and Sharon Carter then shoots him point blank several times.

Let me use this to expand on my earlier theorizing on Bucky's motivations for declaring war on Stark as the solicitations have indicated. Carter's shooting is clearly orechestrated by Dr. Faustus and his hypnotic abilities. When the autopsy is performed on Cap's body, they'll find the three rounds in the stomach came from a S.H.I.E.L.D. firearm and likely trace it back to Carter. She wouldn't know Faustus hypnotized her and Bucky might not even care at that point. In his eyes, S.H.I.E.L.D. killed Cap and the forensics would likely also set Bucky off on the warpath.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2007-03-08 10:16am

JME2 wrote:
Manus Celer Dei wrote:It wasn't Punisher. The shooters are seen quite clearly, Crossbones fires the first shot that hits him in the shoulder and Sharon Carter then shoots him point blank several times.
Let me use this to expand on my earlier theorizing on Bucky's motivations for declaring war on Stark as the solicitations have indicated. Carter's shooting is clearly orechestrated by Dr. Faustus and his hypnotic abilities. When the autopsy is performed on Cap's body, they'll find the three rounds in the stomach came from a S.H.I.E.L.D. firearm and likely trace it back to Carter. She wouldn't know Faustus hypnotized her and Bucky might not even care at that point. In his eyes, S.H.I.E.L.D. killed Cap and the forensics would likely also set Bucky off on the warpath.

Sharon finds out she was hypnotized at the end of the issue, though, but even so, I can see that course of action follow through regardless.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-03-08 11:46am

Majin Gojira wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Manus Celer Dei wrote:It wasn't Punisher. The shooters are seen quite clearly, Crossbones fires the first shot that hits him in the shoulder and Sharon Carter then shoots him point blank several times.
Let me use this to expand on my earlier theorizing on Bucky's motivations for declaring war on Stark as the solicitations have indicated. Carter's shooting is clearly orechestrated by Dr. Faustus and his hypnotic abilities. When the autopsy is performed on Cap's body, they'll find the three rounds in the stomach came from a S.H.I.E.L.D. firearm and likely trace it back to Carter. She wouldn't know Faustus hypnotized her and Bucky might not even care at that point. In his eyes, S.H.I.E.L.D. killed Cap and the forensics would likely also set Bucky off on the warpath.
Sharon finds out she was hypnotized at the end of the issue, though, but even so, I can see that course of action follow through regardless.

My bad in regards to the former.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2007-03-08 01:05pm

I gotta give credit where credit is due, the scene of the whole assassination is very well done. Very cinematic, i like it. The art is alo quite good.

Now i must pick up said comics, and pray that unlike Civil War which had a cool beginning and good art but dropped the ball, this one pans out to be cool.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-03-08 01:22pm

18-Till-I-Die wrote:I gotta give credit where credit is due, the scene of the whole assassination is very well done. Very cinematic, i like it. The art is alo quite good.

Now i must pick up said comics, and pray that unlike Civil War which had a cool beginning and good art but dropped the ball, this one pans out to be cool.

"This one" in this case being...?

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2007-03-08 01:27pm

Edward Yee wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:I gotta give credit where credit is due, the scene of the whole assassination is very well done. Very cinematic, i like it. The art is alo quite good.

Now i must pick up said comics, and pray that unlike Civil War which had a cool beginning and good art but dropped the ball, this one pans out to be cool.
"This one" in this case being...?

This story arc. The story following Civil War's conclusion.

You know the assassination of Cap storyline, which i'm sure they'll focus on more than just one issue.

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2007-03-08 01:56pm

Maybe Punisher did it so he could martyr Captain America and make him an everlasting symbol of the struggle of freedom and whatnot, and also so then he could be assured to pick up his mantle and become a rampaging force of liberty. Because he believed that Captain America was doing the wrong thing, and he had to save his idol from himself, by becoming his idol. And also so then his idol will become a legend in the eyes of the people, as opposed to a weak surrenderer.

Get your crazy conspiracy theories! You heard it here first!

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-03-08 03:02pm

No, it wasn't Castle; Skull's top man, Crossbones, pulled the trigger from what I understand.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2007-03-08 03:05pm

This is still Earth-58163 here, set by Scarlet Witch in House of M. Hulk will return, fuck up EVERYBODY's cookies, and then Penance will time-travel and initiate a reset to Earth-616-normal where shit makes (marginally) more sense, and we can forget all this crap, because it never mattered anyway.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2007-03-08 03:06pm

Ghost Rider wrote:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...*snort* Yeah, and this is the same company that has all but brought back Ben Parker.

What do you mean "all but"? They did. Granted, it was "Ben Parker from another timeline where May died instead", but he is still running around in the main universe

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-03-08 03:22pm

you know my theory about Mephisto showing up, is gaining a lot more credance. I mean Iron Prick walks into his office, and someone with wealth and taste is sitting there talking about their bargin. Yup cap's and Goliath's deaths were just part of that blood sacrifice needed to, oh and the nanites are also his dooing too.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2007-03-08 06:24pm

Darwin wrote:This is still Earth-58163 here, set by Scarlet Witch in House of M. Hulk will return, fuck up EVERYBODY's cookies, and then Penance will time-travel and initiate a reset to Earth-616-normal where shit makes (marginally) more sense, and we can forget all this crap, because it never mattered anyway.

To quote Warren Ellis:

"They're all Anal Skrulls."

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2007-03-08 07:18pm

Majin Gojira wrote: To quote Warren Ellis:

"They're all Anal Skrulls."

Have I mentioned lately that I like Warren Ellis?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-03-08 07:36pm

It could be worse, Quinten Terratino and Robert Rodriguez could be given a comic, I can just picture it. a whole year where all the marvel titles will be given over to film directors. yes, billy mumy too.

Kittie Rose · Post by **Kittie Rose** » 2007-03-08 07:45pm

What a shit ending. It's a much better ending if you read Front Line 11 directly after it. In fact, they should have condensed FL11 into an extended CW7. It would have been way better.

In the Initiative; Ms. Marvel flat out says Cap isn't dead, implies it was fake, and that they're trying to save his life on the Raft. Since there is no further authority on this, that's what we should go with.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-03-08 07:52pm

That cheesey lettering really ruins the artwork. "WEEOOOWEEEOO." What the fuck? We know what sound an ambulance makes. Jeez.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-03-08 08:44pm

Ender wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...*snort* Yeah, and this is the same company that has all but brought back Ben Parker.
What do you mean "all but"? They did. Granted, it was "Ben Parker from another timeline where May died instead", but he is still running around in the main universe

That's what I mean. They didn't make Ben Parker up from the dead, they just circumvented the bit.

EDIT: Still it is sad that of all people, he's back.

Kittie Rose · Post by **Kittie Rose** » 2007-03-08 10:04pm

VF5SS wrote:That cheesey lettering really ruins the artwork. "WEEOOOWEEEOO." What the fuck? We know what sound an ambulance makes. Jeez.

Are you sure? Some people don't even know how to pronounce it's name.[/url]

Kittie Rose · Post by **Kittie Rose** » 2007-03-08 10:04pm

Eergh that is embarassi, now used to this forums bbcode.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-03-09 12:44am

Ender wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...*snort* Yeah, and this is the same company that has all but brought back Ben Parker.
What do you mean "all but"? They did. Granted, it was "Ben Parker from another timeline where May died instead", but he is still running around in the main universe

Wait, what?

I saw where they brought back an Uncle Ben from another timeline, but then I missed the next issue and never saw him again so I assumed they got rid of him.

Is he seriously still running around? And if so, where is he? Why isn't he with May and Mary Jane?

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-03-09 06:22pm

Praxis wrote:Wait, what?

I saw where they brought back an Uncle Ben from another timeline, but then I missed the next issue and never saw him again so I assumed they got rid of him.

Is he seriously still running around? And if so, where is he? Why isn't he with May and Mary Jane?

They brought over a Ben that never died beforehand, so to my knowledge 616-Ben (aka the one behind the now-erstwhile "no permadeath except" line) has never been revived. It's just that this AU Ben Parker, having been transported over without a way to get back.

However, both Aunt May and Peter Parker both thought him to be a malignant imposter; AU Ben ended up coming to blows with Jarvis (dating May at the time) and stormed off, eventually ending up homeless.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-03-09 07:15pm

And once again, I'm glad that I barely give the Spidey books a serious read.