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Archinist wrote:
bilateralrope wrote:Archinist, I've got a question for you. A question you should have thought up answers to before posting. What would YOU do in these hypothetical scenarios?

Would you really reach the end of what you wrote in every scenario ?
I have no idea, but I'm sure I wouldn't survive each scenario the first time I attempted one. If there was a 3-life respawn system that kept your memories, then I probably would.
Then I have to seriously wonder if

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3) If you don't have some issue standing between you and understanding people and/or life.
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I've been wondering those things for a while, though I will say this particular scenario has significantly increased the apparent degree of the problem. I mean, I could have some problems with the salmonella one, though that it only due to a lack of anyone to fill the wife/ friend role and a tendency to have little to no credit on my phone. Presuming everyone involved has working brains, sorting out these scenarios should be very easy. I have no idea how Archinist could look at them and be flunked by them.
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FaxModem1 wrote:Why is this in Fantasy?
Archinist is never, never sufficiently in touch with reality for his threads to belong in a reality-based forum.
How do you die in the first four scenarios, when you're dealing with A. people needing emergency assistance, B. rowdy drunk neighbors keeping you awake, and C. some nitwit calling you telling you that they're committing death by carbon monoxide poisoning, D. some hypothetical spouse calling you telling you that they're about to kill themselves via dangerous chemistry? This isn't a video game, where there are mission objectives, and if you fail them, it's a game over, and you have to restart the mission.
I'm sure Archinist would find a way.
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Ah, but they would also not be able to read the stupid advice from the murderous 4chan troll telling them to mix the chemicals.

Following said advice is an act requiring, in my honest opinion, negative intelligence- whereas your parrots have at least a glimmering little positive amount of it.
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Bernkastel wrote:I've been wondering those things for a while, though I will say this particular scenario has significantly increased the apparent degree of the problem. I mean, I could have some problems with the salmonella one, though that it only due to a lack of anyone to fill the wife/ friend role and a tendency to have little to no credit on my phone. Presuming everyone involved has working brains, sorting out these scenarios should be very easy. I have no idea how Archinist could look at them and be flunked by them.
Okay, I will mention the fact that the last scenario's danger is NOT salmonella, but actually appendicitis disguised as salmonella, since you know you ate dodgey fish last night. The specific reason of salmonella was actually for the "SALMON-ella" pun, because the people were actually eating salmon or something.
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Dumber Than Parrots wrote:
Bernkastel wrote:I've been wondering those things for a while, though I will say this particular scenario has significantly increased the apparent degree of the problem. I mean, I could have some problems with the salmonella one, though that it only due to a lack of anyone to fill the wife/ friend role and a tendency to have little to no credit on my phone. Presuming everyone involved has working brains, sorting out these scenarios should be very easy. I have no idea how Archinist could look at them and be flunked by them.
Okay, I will mention the fact that the last scenario's danger is NOT salmonella, but actually appendicitis disguised as salmonella, since you know you ate dodgey fish last night. The specific reason of salmonella was actually for the "SALMON-ella" pun, because the people were actually eating salmon or something.
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You do realise that salmonella can also cause acute appendicitis, right? And even if it doesn't in this particular case, one would imagine that the massive pain should be treated as an emergency. Anyone who eats dodgy fish is stupid. Anyone who eats dodgy fish, then experiences massive abdomen pains and vomiting, yet refuses to see a Doctor and decides to go camping far from medical help or even a phone line is Dumber Than Parrots. Or other animals for that matter, as most species that have pain receptors understand the concept that "massive pain = not good".

I've changed my mind- my most likely response to being stuck in one of your scenarios is to commit suicide before you move the goalposts and manage to contrive an even more ridiculous set of circumstances than the ones I am presently in.
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bilateralrope wrote:Is parking your car in a friends garage when you go to visit them normal behaviour for anyone here?
Not for me it isn't.
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Archinist wrote: Okay, I will mention the fact that the last scenario's danger is NOT salmonella, but actually appendicitis disguised as salmonella, since you know you ate dodgey fish last night. The specific reason of salmonella was actually for the "SALMON-ella" pun, because the people were actually eating salmon or something.
Aside from the fact that the dodgey fish I wouldn't have eaten anyway wouldn't have contributed to the appendicitis(because I didn't eat the dodgey fish), the first sign of sharp, severe pain in my side is going to have me dialing 911, and calling for an ambulance. My spouse, if I had one, or my next-door neighbor(who shares a kitchen wall with me) would have the goddamned common sense to either drive me to the ER or call 911.
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1-4 can be solved by calling 911.
No one who isn't dumber than parrots could get into situation 5.
Number 6 can be solved by not having a wife who can't tell the difference between a slight cold and appendicitis.
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Archinist wrote: I have no idea, but I'm sure I wouldn't survive each scenario the first time I attempted one. If there was a 3-life respawn system that kept your memories, then I probably would.
Don't dodge the question. You saying you have "no idea" is a lie, because you say immediately afterwords that you think you would die in each scenario! So you clearly have SOME idea of what you would do. You clearly thought about what you would do in that scenario enough to bother writing it up and posting about it.

Seriously, choose one of those scenarios you listed in your OP. Just one. Your choice. And work us through step by step what you would do, and what you think would happen as a result. Hell, I'll settle for you even giving me the FIRST step. Just the first thing you would do, immediately, when faced with one of those scenarios. I think doing so will help all of us understand why you posted this.
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Archinist wrote:Okay, I will mention the fact that the last scenario's danger is NOT salmonella, but actually appendicitis disguised as salmonella, since you know you ate dodgey fish last night. The specific reason of salmonella was actually for the "SALMON-ella" pun, because the people were actually eating salmon or something.
Yeah. Everyone else figured that out already. You didn't actually make it very subtle at all. Your idea of a subtle hint is most people's idea of "blindingly obvious." While we're at it, it is equally blindingly obvious that the threats in scenarios (3) and (5) are carbon monoxide poisoning, and that the threat in (4) is that mixing the household chemicals will release toxic gas.

Just so you don't go around feeling smug that you 'hid' anything. Because honestly, you ain't up for it.
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Simon_Jester wrote:
Archinist wrote:Okay, I will mention the fact that the last scenario's danger is NOT salmonella, but actually appendicitis disguised as salmonella, since you know you ate dodgey fish last night. The specific reason of salmonella was actually for the "SALMON-ella" pun, because the people were actually eating salmon or something.
Yeah. Everyone else figured that out already. You didn't actually make it very subtle at all. Your idea of a subtle hint is most people's idea of "blindingly obvious." While we're at it, it is equally blindingly obvious that the threats in scenarios (3) and (5) are carbon monoxide poisoning, and that the threat in (4) is that mixing the household chemicals will release toxic gas.

Just so you don't go around feeling smug that you 'hid' anything. Because honestly, you ain't up for it.
Not sure why you thought it was supposed to be subtle. And some people were saying that they would just ignore it and let it pass.
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Archinist wrote: Not sure why you thought it was supposed to be subtle. And some people were saying that they would just ignore it and let it pass.
Why are you ignoring my post? (Or the other dozen or so posts you've completely ignored in this thread so far)
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Awww, come on guys, be fair. I mean, these are better than his earlier scenarios. They're brief; he's managed to fit 6 scenarios in the space of only half of one of his previous ones. And he's laid off the moving the goal-posts so far.
So I'll play. What the hell. And I'll try and think of what I'll actually do, as opposed to what I should do.
Some of the scenarios may need to be "translated", but I'll try to keep to the spirit of what you intended. Because I'm in a good mood, and I'll even talk to JW doorknockers when I'm in a good mood.
You are doing nothing, posting useless and also useful things on an internet forum, when suddenly your phones beeps and upon checking it, you discover your best mate has texted you, telling that he had broken down in the middle of the bush. You quickly drive out to his GPS position and see a trashed Holden Accord, rolled several times down a hill, 20 beer bottles smashed everywhere, a laptop and tablet are dangling from the trees by metal cables. A strange red inky liquid is splashed on the ground is trailing deeper into the forest with small splashes.
I'll assume this is some kind of 'text to voice' thing, because I don't have a mobile. I call him back. No answer? Hmmm... I probably tell my wife where I'm going and go to find him. Get there... SHIT! No mobile... I'm a bit torn... No-one immediately around for me to grab to call... I possibly go some way along the trail to see if he's there (if it's blood, and wet, it's damn recent), but then make tracks to get help.
You are in bed, resting and humming, but then your neighbors drive up and down the road revving their V8 cars to their maximum extents and doing wheelies and burnouts on the street, while crowds of drunken mates yell "OI OI OI" over and over again at the top of their lungs, throwing beer bottles everywhere, some even at houses. You have a major exam the next day.
I'd ignore it if it was just the noise, and go back to sleep, but fuck them throwing bottles around. I don't like to wear shoes. I give a call to the cops, you know, the ones who are just across the road.
Your mate is mounting a generator in his shed, and tells you how quiet it is through a text on your phone. He then says he will put it under his staircase, in his house, since it is so quiet, and won't disturb his sleep. He reports back his success and tells you he will shut off his power for this day and rely on the generator only for today. Then he leaves a text saying that he is tired, and will rest on his couch watching TV for half an hour or so. 10 minutes later, you text back asking if it's okay to join him, but he never replies. Several hours and 14 texts pass, but still no response.
You've never had stupid mates, Simon? I could almost imagine Bresci doing this. Almost. But he wouldn't of after Lee and I told him he was a fucking idiot. (Fuck... Old school friends I haven't seen for decades...) Assuming he did, anyway, then told us (easier to get forgiveness than permission), and then said he's feeling tired, there wouldn't be any "several hours later", we'd get our arses over there or call the cops.
You are at work, doing things in an office, when your wife rings and tells you that she will clean the house up, and get rid of all those terrible moldy things on the bathroom walls. She says a nice lad on 4chan told her to mix two powerful cleaning solutions together in great quantities in a small, enclosed room to create a super-chemical that will erase any mold in microseconds! She is very excited and hangs up to do the cleaning, saying that she will call you back soon, but strangely she never calls you back nor picks up the phone when you call her. How mysterious.
Hey! I got a job! When did that happen? And I'm in a bloody office...?
OK, my wife's not an idiot. If I was married to a wife who was an idiot (maybe she has great tits or something), she'd be told to not do it because anything that'll erase mold that quickly will erase you too. Assuming she hangs up too fast, and then there's no answer, I call the cops. Duh.
You are visiting your best friend's house, and parking your car in the garage, making sure the automatic door doesn't crush your car upon closing, when all of a sudden your girlfriend calls you and begins making a massive argument over a major issue. You argue and argue over the phone, until the arguments are so awful you feel physically unwell and lacking proper judgement, smash the phone into small bits on the ground. Your mate's garage connects to his house, and is normally locked, but you have the key inside your car. However, you feel quite ill at this point, so you close and lock your car doors with both garage and car keys still inside, while the car is still running. If you yell a lot, your mate might hear you, but maybe you could rest to clear your head for a little while, there is a comfortable bed in the garage..?
I could imagine parking in a friend's garage, assuming he suggested it. Maybe it's a bad neighbourhood, and it's not good to leave vehicles on the street. Whatever.
There's a phone in the garage? Odd, but not as unbelievable as me getting angry enough to smash something unthinkingly. Doesn't happen. Ignoring that, OK, I've suffered from a few "brain explosions" here.
How did I lock my keys inside my motorbike..? Oh, I've got a car. When did I get a car? When did I get a car license? Don't automatic garage doors come with a switch inside to open them in case of trouble, so you don't need the keys or control? I'll assume it's broken.
Yeah, I know what CO is. Fuck that. He'll hear me when I'm banging on the door with a heavy implement. Or I'll break the door in. Whichever comes first.
You are eating some dodgey fish with your mates, who joke about accidentally getting SALMONella. That night, you awaken with a terrible pain in your right abdomen, but decide to ignore it and call a doctor later. You are planning to go camping with your wife that day, and even the pain has increased dramatically by that time, and you have some vomiting, but you go anyway, thinking you just have some minor food poisoning. But when you arrive at the campsite and there is no cellphone coverage in the area, and the nearest town is 100 miles away and you can hardly walk. You quickly get a book of common diseases and injuries, but have barely started reading when the appendix of the book ruptures, (hahaha) spilling rotten paper and stuff everywhere, so you drop it into a deep lake underneath you. You are now in so much pain that you pass out every 5 minutes and physically cannot move, but your wife thinks you just have a slight cold and ignores you.
Can't stand fish. "You are eating some dodgey fish chicken with your mates,... " Yeah, that's actually believable. At least for me. :lol:
My wife thinks I have a "slight cold"? Not MY wife. My wife's a flippin' hypochrondriac when it comes to people she's close to. I have to fight off her attempts to get me to go to the doctor over every tiny thing. I'll assume it's that other wife. You know, the dumb one.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:
Archinist wrote: Not sure why you thought it was supposed to be subtle. And some people were saying that they would just ignore it and let it pass.
Why are you ignoring my post? (Or the other dozen or so posts you've completely ignored in this thread so far)
I will reply to them properly later if I get the chance, right now I can't type out long replies.
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Archinist wrote:Not sure why you thought it was supposed to be subtle. And some people were saying that they would just ignore it and let it pass.
Who, exactly?

And bluntly, the fact that you even thought you needed to tell anyone that the problem was appendicitis when it was utterly obvious that this was the case suggests to me that you think you're concealing information, when you're not.
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Your mate is mounting a generator in his shed, and tells you how quiet it is through a text on your phone. He then says he will put it under his staircase, in his house, since it is so quiet, and won't disturb his sleep. He reports back his success and tells you he will shut off his power for this day and rely on the generator only for today. Then he leaves a text saying that he is tired, and will rest on his couch watching TV for half an hour or so. 10 minutes later, you text back asking if it's okay to join him, but he never replies. Several hours and 14 texts pass, but still no response.
You've never had stupid mates, Simon? I could almost imagine Bresci doing this. Almost. But he wouldn't of after Lee and I told him he was a fucking idiot. (Fuck... Old school friends I haven't seen for decades...) Assuming he did, anyway, then told us (easier to get forgiveness than permission), and then said he's feeling tired, there wouldn't be any "several hours later", we'd get our arses over there or call the cops.
Honestly? No, not that stupid. I'm picky, I like friends I can talk with about things that actually interest me, which means they pretty much have to have some minimal ability to think stuff through.
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In all fairness, the appendicitis one is at least somewhat plausible, in the sense that people do indeed ignore it long enough for the appendix to burst, resulting in complications.

Like, would they go camping if they'd been vomiting that day? Probably not. But ignoring the sharp pains and putting off medical treatment is at least plausible.

Granted, they're all stupidly easy, as has been noted. 1, 3 and 4 are a simple matter of calling 911, relaying the pertinent information and let them do their job. 2 is a call to the non-emergency number of my local law enforcement agency so they'll send a unit out to deal with it.

For scenario 5, I can't imagine why I'd have the garage door opener to my friend's house without actually living there myself. But assuming I do, I'm sure my friend will know I'm coming over and be aware I have opened and closed their garage door. They're bound to wonder why I haven't come inside and said hello within about a minute or two and will open the door to check on me. Upon finding my passed on due to my own carelessness, they dial 911 on my behalf.

Scenario 6 I'd never go camping, and given my own personal experience with appendicitis, which did result in an ER trip fairly quickly because the pain was that bad, I can't imagine why I'd think the great outdoors was ever a good idea. But let's assume, as I noted above, I am one of those whom my ER doctor talked about WRT ignoring the pain and coming in later. I'm still not going camping, because fuck that, so it's pretty simple: either I eventually break down and go to the ER/my doctor because the constant waves of pain convince me to do so, or my appendix bursts and hopefully someone is around to call 911 and get me help. But I'm sure I'd seek medical attention before it came to that.

Read this: http://www.everydayhealth.com/appendici ... /ruptured/ I would imagine most people are bound to notice and seek medical care when that shit starts happening. But again, in fairness to Archinist it does happen to people, so let's not be super hard on him.
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Archinist, your scenarios (while still a bit problematic in some ways) have GREATLY improved with this list. You're showing the ability to recognize your own shortcomings when others point them out, and to work on improving them. That's better than a lot of people on the internet and some in real life, like <your least favorite politician>! To celebrate and encourage your personal growth, I'll give my responses.

1) I buy/borrow a tow strap and put that and some other general outdoorsy stuff in my Chevy Tahoe and drive out there, REALLY irritated at my friend for getting himself into a mess where I have to drive so far to help him out. When I get there, my irritation turns to horror. I call 911, if there's cell service. Then I get the first aid kit from my car and the best weapon (I would certainly have a hatchet and folding shovel, at least. I probably have an axe) and see if I can follow the blood trail.

My better judgement tells me to leave this to the pros, but I would feel really, REALLY terrible if it turns out that I could have saved my friend but I was too scared to walk 30 feet into the woods to stop his bleeding.

2) Call the police. I'm not sure if them throwing bottles at houses is enough to warrant use of the emergency number, but I figure it's close enough that I won't get in trouble for using it. Grumble and complain to myself while staying away from windows that face the street.

3) As far as I know, none of my current friends are this dumb, but hey, maybe I've made some new friends! As soon as my friend mentions putting the generator inside his house, I'll point out the hazards of carbon monoxide and try to stop him. I'll switch from text to a voice call if he doesn't agree not to do it. For the sake of going with your scenario, let's assume that he agrees with me to get me to stop bothering him and then does it anyway, and the next thing I hear about it his text about being tired. I'd respond with something like, "wait, you didn't put the generator in your house after all, did you?" and when I didn't get a text back, I'd try calling, and if he didn't answer I'd call 911, AND head over myself if his place is only a few minutes away.

4) I would NOT let her do it. If I couldn't stop her before she hung up and I got no answer when I called back, I'd start running for my car and call 911. As the others have said, though, it's highly unlikely that I'd marry anyone this stupid.

5) This just doesn't happen to me as described, because I wouldn't try shutting the garage door until after I had turned off my car. It's also unlikely that I'd lock my key in my car, because I have formed the habit of ONLY locking the door with the remote control, which means that I'm already outside the car with the keys in my hand. Granted, it's possible that if this emotionally disturbing call came in after I turned the car off but before I got out, that I could get distracted and somehow manage to lock my key in my car. Unlikely, given my habit, but possible. I'd feel really stupid--I USED to carry a spare car key for just such an occasion, but I haven't bothered to get one for my Tahoe because of my habit of using the remote. Time to call a locksmith.

If some alternate scenario leads to me being: a) in a closed garage, b) with my car running, c) with my car keys and the garage keys locked in my car, and d) I can already feel the carbon monoxide getting to me . . . I will NOT lie down to clear my head. I will get the hell out of that garage even if I have to break my car window to do it. I will get out of that garage by driving my car out through the closed garage door if I have to.

6) Eating dodgey fish? Most people here say they wouldn't do that in the first place, but in all honesty: very, VERY few of the informal social gatherings I've been to have involved rigorous following of safe food handling practices. I've eaten a lot of food that's been sitting out at room temperature for a few hours. It's never been a problem . . . SO FAR. It's possible that this could come back to bite me. It's possible that I'd use the "tough it out and hope it goes away" method of dealing with pain in my guts, at least at first. If the pain was "terrible" to begin with and "has increased dramatically" by the next day, there's no chance of my going on that camping trip. Eff that, I'm going to the doctor.

Realistically, I probably would end up looking up the location of the appendix at some point when I couldn't sleep and the pain was getting worse and finding out that it matched where the pain is. At that point, I'd call the doctor, because I understand that a ruptured appendix can be fatal.
You are now in so much pain that you pass out every 5 minutes and physically cannot move, but your wife thinks you just have a slight cold and ignores you.
That part is especially unrealistic; very few adults would react that way. I could maybe--probably not, but just maybe--marry someone who was this stupid if she were a good person otherwise and also very hot, but I certainly wouldn't marry anyone that stupid AND that callous and uncaring.
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Okay. In fairness... these scenarios ARE better than most of the previous Archinist scenarios, in that they are things that could at least conceivably happen to real people.

The only really significant flaw in the overall theme of the post is that it does the same thing most of the earlier scenarios did, in two thirds of the situations. Namely, it starts the scenario with a chain of reckless, improbably foolish actions.

Each scenario has people repeatedly deciding not to seek medical attention for severe pain, knowingly performing actions that will flood the air they breathe with toxic chemicals. Many of them have people blindly ignoring and failing to communicate with each other for hours, or people being extremely callous toward the comfort and welfare of friends and loved ones.

These are stupid things to do.

Yes, there are individuals so ignorant, inferior, or otherwise handicapped that they actually behave this way. But they are extremely rare, and they generally don't make interesting characters in a story. Functional adults don't do things like this very often, precisely because people can die if they show this level of recklessness, callousness, irresponsibility, and cluelessness.

If we gave eight year old children access to cars and credit cards, and the freedom to travel, they'd behave like this all the time... which is EXACTLY why eight year olds aren't allowed to sign contracts, operate heavy machinery, or even go around in the world without constant adult supervision.

It is basically never a good idea to start your scenario with your protagonist making a string of decisions that require the immaturity and foolishness of a small child.

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The best scenarios are (1) and (2), precisely because they don't make the assumption that the protagonist did reckless or stupid things in order to set up the scenario. In (1), your friend calls you for help and you go answer, only for you to find a disturbing and unexpected situation. In (2), you're minding your own business when a bunch of random idiot hooligans show up outside and start making trouble.

Because these scenarios start without the protagonist doing anything insanely foolish, they are far more convincing than the others.
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Korto wrote:You've never had stupid mates, Simon?
I can't speak for Simon, but me, no, no one I've known, not even my former co-workers, was dumb enough to bring a generator into their residence, because even they knew CO=bad thing.

As for dodgey chicken, I'd think that be easier to tell than dodgey fish, or maybe that's just me.
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Archinist wrote:Okay, I will mention the fact that the last scenario's danger is NOT salmonella, but actually appendicitis disguised as salmonella, since you know you ate dodgey fish last night. The specific reason of salmonella was actually for the "SALMON-ella" pun, because the people were actually eating salmon or something.
Whoa, really!? I am so totally shocked by that.

Seriously, I called it that because I felt lazy. Anyway, Simon has already said what I'd be inclined to say. While you have improved, you are still making the mistake of treating incredible stupidity as normal in regards to how you assume those in your scenario act. That is why I personally hope you'll answer Ziggy's question of how you would answer one of your own scenarios. Really, I do think it would be potentially helpful for both us and you if you show us what your own reasoning in a response to one of them is like.
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U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
Korto wrote:You've never had stupid mates, Simon?
I can't speak for Simon, but me, no, no one I've known, not even my former co-workers, was dumb enough to bring a generator into their residence, because even they knew CO=bad thing.
Yeah. Basically, any adult in a modern society either operates motor vehicles, or at least has some basic knowledge about motor vehicles. As a result, they know that gasoline engines produce deadly exhaust, and even if they're a little vague on how carbon monoxide works, they won't want to walk up to a tailpipe and take a big lungful.

Occasionally, some incredibly reckless, stupid, drunk, or otherwise impaired person makes a mistake along these lines- but it is so rare that it is not normal. And any person with a normal level of intelligence, told that a person is behaving in such an abnormally stupid way, will immediately stop identifying with that person. They won't think "what if this happened to me," they'll think "how stupid would a moron have to be, to end up in this situation I would easily avoid?"
Bernkastel wrote:That is why I personally hope you'll answer Ziggy's question of how you would answer one of your own scenarios. Really, I do think it would be potentially helpful for both us and you if you show us what your own reasoning in a response to one of them is like.
Yes.

See, I've been calling this for some time. One of Archinist's problems with scenario-crafting is that he seems unwilling or unable to imagine other people making sensible decisions.

The way that typical people do this is by emulating the decisions others make. They ask themselves "what would I do, if I were in this position, with this knowledge and these resources?" Then they can either make a prediction about what the other person would do, or at least realize "wow, I'd get killed acting this way in this situation. Maybe I should change the way I act to avoid getting killed."

In short, Archinist appears to lack a theory of mind. In which case he would be severely handicapped in the real world, and working on his theory of mind would be advantageous.
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I do agree that he is getting better a proposing scenarios, even if the current crop is still deeply flawed. This indicates a willingness to learn that should be encouraged if possible.
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U.P. Cinnabar wrote: I can't speak for Simon, but me, no, no one I've known, not even my former co-workers, was dumb enough to bring a generator into their residence, because even they knew CO=bad thing.
I did not know, off the top of my head, that using a generator inside was dangerous. The car thing yes, but safe generator practices are pretty outside the realm of things I know about or for that matter had ever thought about.
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Outside of suicides, death by CO in a car is pretty rare but it seems in my area we get a half dozen to a dozen deaths a year from generator CO, or spaceheaters that are not intended for indoor use, or the like, usually associated with very cold weather. The CO problem from things other than cars clearly is not universal, but it's still a very small blip in the statistics.

Like I said in my post, the local police don't have an issue with doing welfare checks - it's a lot less of a hassle than the paperwork on dead people.
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Archinist wrote:
Ziggy Stardust wrote:Why are you ignoring my post? (Or the other dozen or so posts you've completely ignored in this thread so far)
I will reply to them properly later if I get the chance, right now I can't type out long replies.
I'm going to hold you to this. Bear that in mind before you decide to post a new thread.
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