Sadism: The Most Appropriate Punishment for Gor

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-07-28 10:09am

Darth Rosenburg.

Nothing like a homocidal lesbian wicca to put misgynistic bastards in their place...

Newtonian Fury · Post by **Newtonian Fury** » 2003-07-28 10:11am

Just what is up with fantasy and sexism? There's a reason why I like female fantasy writers. You don't have to deal with the female degradation and rape stereotypes that one might encounter with male writers who couldn't get any when they were in college.

Punishment? Throw em in with the Lloth worshipping drow. Let the rampant anti-female mentality explosively neutralize the rampant anti-male mentality of Lloth's worshippers.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-07-28 10:14am

Newtonian Fury wrote:Just what is up with fantasy and sexism? There's a reason why I like female fantasy writers.

*cough* Anne McGaffery *cough*

Personally I think it's because many male fantasy writers (and presumably, a lot of their readers) like to live in the fantasy that women are weak. Maybe it's some sort of anti-feminist backlash.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 10:16am

Newtonian Fury wrote:Just what is up with fantasy and sexism? There's a reason why I like female fantasy writers. You don't have to deal with the female degradation and rape stereotypes that one might encounter with male writers who couldn't get any when they were in college.

Punishment? Throw em in with the Lloth worshipping drow. Let the rampant anti-female mentality explosively neutralize the rampant anti-male mentality of Lloth's worshippers.

Actually, the guy who wrote these books had a Ph.D. in Psychology, and also wrote some non-fiction books on sex which advocated the ideal sex-life as being a woman submitting to her male lover (albeit voluntarily). "Goreans" as such are people in real life who, using both the novels and Lange's non-fiction works, have created a sort of "Gorean Philosophy" and are some of the most fucked up people in the world, right alongside those living in cults and militia compounds. The fact that his books were trash just makes the fact that they were turned into a philosophy all the more incomprehendable. They also are, one might say only half-jokingly, the best proof yet that psychology is not a real science.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 10:17am

innerbrat wrote:
*cough* Anne McGaffery *cough*

McCaffrey, I assume? *shudder*

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-07-28 10:19am

Iceberg wrote:Setting Nuku-Nuku loose on them, somehow, seems appropriate. Or perhaps a loose alliance of Iczer-One, Tendou Akane and Sailor Uranus/Ten'ou Haruka.

Bah. IIAM-Crystal Tokyo. A world ruled by the iron will of a bunch of immortal women.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-07-28 10:20am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
innerbrat wrote:
*cough* Anne McGaffery *cough*

McCaffrey, I assume? *shudder*

Bah. Spelling is for wimps.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-07-28 10:23am

Its not so much as sexim in my opionion as slower changes in writting style, men still are the predominated hero archetypes in fantasy, mainly becuase fantasy is usauly written by males . Plus fantasy is usually placed is a less advanced world like our fuedal era, which wasn't a nice place. So you should always expect barbarice. The diference between the Barsoom books and Gor however is the message "men are the heros" and "women are inferour".

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 10:26am

innerbrat wrote:
Bah. Spelling is for wimps.

Actually, "Gaffrey" sort of fits... *grins*

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-07-28 10:29am

phongn wrote:
Iceberg wrote:Setting Nuku-Nuku loose on them, somehow, seems appropriate. Or perhaps a loose alliance of Iczer-One, Tendou Akane and Sailor Uranus/Ten'ou Haruka.
Bah. IIAM-Crystal Tokyo. A world ruled by the iron will of a bunch of immortal women.

I actually much more like the idea of hitting them with Akane's mallet-fu.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-07-28 10:30am

Iceberg wrote:
phongn wrote:
Iceberg wrote:Setting Nuku-Nuku loose on them, somehow, seems appropriate. Or perhaps a loose alliance of Iczer-One, Tendou Akane and Sailor Uranus/Ten'ou Haruka.
Bah. IIAM-Crystal Tokyo. A world ruled by the iron will of a bunch of immortal women.
I actually much more like the idea of hitting them with Akane's mallet-fu.

While having Akane mallet the f00 appeals to my mallet-side, um, well, CryTok can always co-opt Akane Tendo and thus we are both satisfied.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-28 10:56am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Actually, the guy who wrote these books had a Ph.D. in Psychology, and also wrote some non-fiction books on sex which advocated the ideal sex-life as being a woman submitting to her male lover (albeit voluntarily).

Considering what sort of "philosophy" John Norman advocates, it's safe to assume that he got his Ph.D. from a diploma mill.

innerbrat wrote:Darth Rosenburg.

Nothing like a homocidal lesbian wicca to put misgynistic bastards in their place...

Why didn't I think of that

Darth Shinji wrote:B) A Sister of Battle Army.

Why didn't I think of that, either??

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 11:06am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Considering what sort of "philosophy" John Norman advocates, it's safe to assume that he got his Ph.D. from a diploma mill.

His real name is John Frederick Lange Jr, and he got his Ph.D. from Princeton:

Like I said, you could half-seriously call it evidence that Psychology is a pseudoscience.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-07-28 11:11am

LT + Gor = [shudder]

~ver

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 11:12am

A comparison between Goreanism and Nazism

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 11:14am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Like I said, you could half-seriously call it evidence that Psychology is a pseudoscience.

Actually, even though that site hasn't been updated since '98, maybe the link should be undressed and cut; I just realized that it was a Gorean site and not some bibliography site, and I really don't know if these people would raid the boards or not.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-07-28 11:28am

An EDust assasin in the shape of a female.

Gorean: I take you as my slaAAAA! AAAAAAAAAARGH! OOOOOH! NOOOOO! AAAARGH!
*EDust uses the Gorean's intestines to lasso the other slavers.*

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 11:40am

http://www.northtex asgoreanorder.com/gorean%20ways.htm

- Dallas/Ft. Worth Goreans.

http://www.gor .madamspooky. com/slave/content.html

- Quotes from the GOR Books.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Norman

- Wikipedia article on "John Norman" and his philosophy.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 11:42am

Sadly, the bastard claims to be a libertarian, but in reality his philosophy can be easily shown to be a debased version of Nietzschean philosophy, basted with some watered down National Socialism.

FOG3 · Post by **FOG3** » 2003-07-28 12:18pm

Not exactly sadistic but

1) Solnoids (Gall Force) entirely female, well originally, empire with Doomsday weapons like System Destroyers.
2) Dirty Pair

Okay now these I'd consider somewhat sadistic.
3) Big Gold (Fight Iczer-1!) If nothing else turn them all into Bugrom. Orbital Satellites would pose no threat to her.
4) Valcuria (Guyver: Out of Control OVA) Even if we don't fix her CM I doubt they'd give her enough of a fight to risk it malfunctioning. I expect she would be quite sadistic.
5) Tekkaman (or is that Tekkawoman?) Sword
6) EVA 01 after taking in S2: I'd prefer to use Asuka on them but EVA 02 isn't equiped with a S2. Of course EVA 01 has Shinji's mother's soul so no bigie.
7) Genocyber

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-07-28 12:20pm

fgalkin wrote:An EDust assasin in the shape of a female.

Gorean: I take you as my slaAAAA! AAAAAAAAAARGH! OOOOOH! NOOOOO! AAAARGH!
*EDust uses the Gorean's intestines to lasso the other slavers.*

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Another good one is replace Edust with TX.

I can imagine the TX saying "I like your ####."

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPP

*Roll on the rack chart for the Gorain warrior.*

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-07-28 12:24pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:
fgalkin wrote:An EDust assasin in the shape of a female.

Gorean: I take you as my slaAAAA! AAAAAAAAAARGH! OOOOOH! NOOOOO! AAAARGH!
*EDust uses the Gorean's intestines to lasso the other slavers.*

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Another good one is replace Edust with TX.

I can imagine the TX saying "I like your ####."

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPP

*Roll on the rack chart for the Gorain warrior.*

Ah, but the TX is not nearly sadistic enough.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-07-28 12:26pm

Maybe not as much as an E-dust, but she looked like she was rather sadistic.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-28 12:30pm

But, remember, we need to be sadistic to at least the entire male populace of GOR.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-28 12:32pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:But, remember, we need to be sadistic to at least the entire male populace of GOR.

Well, one can start with turning off the worldwide Character Shield.