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Most American anime fans aren't even qualified to judge the voice acting in subs, given that they don't speak Japanese.Honestly, I can't take people seriously when they say how all dubs suck and all the originals are great. I saw the original Knight Sabers, for gods sake.
And what am I to presume when someone leaps up, offended that I speak out against those who worship the original and shit on everything else? Rumours of my telepathic abilities have been greatly exaggeratted. But frankly I don't care.Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm not anti-dub, period, and I take offence at your accusation, Nitram.
I watch undubbed anime. Does that make me an elitist?I have concluded that there are few things more elitist than those who watched undubbed anime.
Pardon my exaggeration, then.Durran Korr wrote:I watch undubbed anime. Does that make me an elitist?I have concluded that there are few things more elitist than those who watched undubbed anime.
Spanky was completely justified in taking offense. If you had simply singled out those who watch only subbed anime and look down on anything dubbed, it would have been fine, but you condemned everyone who watches subs with this statement.
Never forget that the same studio who gave us "Pocahontas" also gave us "Lilo and Stitch"Simon H.Johansen wrote:Pirates of The Caribbean is made by Disney??Smiling Bandit wrote:Disney does good work, but they pout out all this crap because it sells so well. Apparently, parents want to buy crappy direct-to-video releases for their young kids. The Big Mouse still has the magic, though. They handled the voice work for the American release of Spirited Away, for example, and produced the new Pirates of the Caribbean flick.
Now I'm thinking twice about seeing it...
Haven't seen it. I've heard some good things about it, but then again I'd heard good things about a lot of other things that ended up sucking.ZShade wrote:What about the Cowboy Bebop dub? That was pretty good.
Even if we don't speak the language, it's still quite possible to detect the inflections and emotions that seperate good acting from bad.Durran Korr wrote:Most American anime fans aren't even qualified to judge the voice acting in subs, given that they don't speak Japanese.
I don't mind people who prefer subs, I just can't stand elitist fanboys who look down on anyone who dares to enjoy anime dubbed in his or her own language.
Even if we don't speak the language, it's still quite possible to detect the inflections and emotions that seperate good acting from bad.
The dub-sucks crowd is far more common and extreme. The reverse is simply a reaction to that.although there's been quite a few elitist fanboys who look down on anyone who dares to enjoy anime in its original language here.
Do you even watch dubs nowadays? Seriously? This is not ten years ago, where subs were a superior way of watching anime simply by virtue of virtually all English voice acting being horrible. These days, it's uncommon to get a truly bad dub, with most dubs being at least passable, many of them being quite good, and a couple of them being wonderful (Bebop and FLCL, for example).Even so, it would be one of the rare exceptions to the rule.
Wrong. Unless you speak and understand the language and understand the nuances that make good acting in the language, you are not capable of judging the quality of foreign voice acting. Especially a language as foreign to English as Japanese.Even if we don't speak the language, it's still quite possible to detect the inflections and emotions that seperate good acting from bad.
No, see, I'm OPEN-MINDED, unlike you. I realize that it's possible to enjoy anime both in it's original language and in my native language. Perhaps if you would actually try and watch some decent dubs you would realize that as well.And I don't much care for the "elitist fanboys who look down on anyone who dares to enjoy anime dubbed in his or her own language," either, although I'm not exactly sure how that statement fits into this discussion, since no one here's looked down on someone who enjoys dubs (we simply don't share their opinion, and aren't afraid to express our own,)
although there's been quite a few elitist fanboys who look down on anyone who dares to enjoy anime in its original language here.
It was only a couple of years ago that I decided on my "subs only rule," and I still watch dubs from time to time, or try to, at least. I usually can't sit through the entire length.Durran Korr wrote:Do you even watch dubs nowadays? Seriously? This is not ten years ago, where subs were a superior way of watching anime simply by virtue of virtually all English voice acting being horrible. These days, it's uncommon to get a truly bad dub, with most dubs being at least passable, many of them being quite good, and a couple of them being wonderful (Bebop and FLCL, for example).
Wrong. Even if you don't speak and understand the language and don't understand the nuances that make good acting in the language, you can still be capable of judging the quality of foreign voice acting. Even in a language as foreign to English as Japanese.Wrong. Unless you speak and understand the language and understand the nuances that make good acting in the language, you are not capable of judging the quality of foreign voice acting. Especially a language as foreign to English as Japanese.
I've been trying to find a decent dub for years. I've come to the sad conclusion that it's likely that they simply don't exist. And I'm not going to force myself to watch movies I don't enjoy just so that I can appear to be "open-minded."No, see, I'm OPEN-MINDED, unlike you. I realize that it's possible to enjoy anime both in it's original language and in my native language. Perhaps if you would actually try and watch some decent dubs you would realize that as well.
On what basis?Wrong. Even if you don't speak and understand the language and don't understand the nuances that make good acting in the language, you can still be capable of judging the quality of foreign voice acting. Even in a language as foreign to English as Japanese.
It's rather simple. Listen to both actors. It's rather easy to tell who does a better job.Durran Korr wrote:On what basis?Wrong. Even if you don't speak and understand the language and don't understand the nuances that make good acting in the language, you can still be capable of judging the quality of foreign voice acting. Even in a language as foreign to English as Japanese.
With all due respect, that's not true. Just because you can tell what shitty English voice acting is doesn't make you capable of judging Japanese voice acting. It's true that you can gauge emotional expression, but that's about it. Unless you speak Japanese and understand it, you can't judge the other aspects of acting, such as nuance, pronunciation, enunciation, timing, and articulation of words.It's rather simple. Listen to both actors. It's rather easy to tell who does a better job.
yeah, but in anime most of the voice actors do this, too. I can't recall hw many times I've seen a 14-year old high schooler with a THROATY JAPANESE BASS.I disagree. Grant sounds ten years too old for Asuka. And Allison Keith sounds ten years too young for Misato. In my opinion, they should have maybe switched roles.
Live action's different. I would never watch a live action dub in a million years, regardless of how good the voice acting is.The Yosemite Bear wrote:I perfer my Akira Kurasawa films must be subtitled, and I watch them 3 or 4 times each.. However with Hyperkenetic shows I perfer the dubbing if the intent is kept accurate. With Kurasawa there's a lot to absorb.... Same with the guy who did Spirited Away and Princess Monoki.
Lucas and Coppela had a new and more accurate translation done. 
