Spider-Man 3 Will Have FOUR Villains!

[18-Till-I-Die]

Actually Doc Ock came back before in the comics. I think he was like an asshole, then he became good and died, then he was brought back (IIRC by magic) and became an asshole again.

Also i'm pretty sure Green Goblin came back from the dead once too.

[Kuja]

Godfather 3
Back to the Future 3
X-Men: The Last Stand
Batman Forever
Robocop 3

You can of course go fuck yourself. That movie was hilarious.

[Vendetta]

You know, aside from both of them being dead, that's probably what they're doing.

Come on now, we both know that the only reason comicbook heroes habitually send their foes to prison rather than killing them is that the prison can generally hang on to them longer than the grave.

[Praxis]

It will be "The Walrus", I just know it!

I can see how this will go, sorta:

Villain 1) Prologue fight, a mere "Cameo"
Villain 2) Sandman - "The Big lackey" and hired gun.
Villain 3) Harry Osborn - "The Mastermind" behind the scheme
Villain 4) Venom - "The Final Creation" For the last 10 minutes/climax fight of baddassness.

I'd be happy with that.

Heck, Venom can be created in the last ten minutes to be dealt with in Spider-Man 4.

[Praxis]

Get Morlun in and kick Spidey's sorry ass. (As well as introduce the whole "totem" BS)

*ducks from UNLIMITED FLAMES*

Morlun is awesome. The totem sidestory sucks, as did Morlun's return, but Morlun's original showing was a great series of comic books.

[Praxis]

Ghetto edit: in fact you know what, i think thats what they're planning, when i think about it.

You know, aside from both of them being dead, that's probably what they're doing.

Doc Ock fell in water. That's hardly a confirmed death. And Norman Osborn was impaled with a glider in the comics and buried, and healed and came back anyway.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Here's a partial list of crappers:

Back to the Future 3

You can go be raped by dogs, my friend.

[Darth Wong]

I honestly don't see why people thought the Spiderman films were so great. I found the first one to be OK with some painfully bad elements and stupid plot devices, and the second one had an agonizingly boring middle section with a retarded main storyline. Certainly nothing to write home about. As recent comic-based movies go, I found X-Men, Hellboy, and Batman Begins to all be easily superior to either Spiderman movie.

I'll agree with Hellboy being better. I haven't seen Batman Begins, and I found the second X-Men to be very slow in the middle (as opposed to the first, which seemed to be slow in the beginning).

I wasn't too impressed by X-Men 2 (apart from Magneto's prison break scene, which was fucking awesome), but I liked the first X-Men movie much more. As for Batman Begins, you owe it to yourself to see this movie. Seriously, it excels on numerous levels.

My own subjective ranking would be:

Hellboy
Spiderman
X-Men
Spiderman 2
X-Men 2

I would say:

1. Batman Begins
2. Hellboy
3. X-Men
4. Spiderman
5. X-Men 2
6. Spiderman 2

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

What did you feel was so great about Hellboy? I found it to be pretty mediocre.

[Vympel]

What did you feel was so great about Hellboy? I found it to be pretty mediocre.

Ron Perlman will kick your ass if you say anything bad about it, obviously.

Seriously, I thought it was fantastic too. The movie didn't drag, Hellboy's a fun character, the villains were interesting (Nazi clockwork knife zombie!!!)- and it was really funny. What's not to like?

[Darth Wong]

What did you feel was so great about Hellboy? I found it to be pretty mediocre.

Well, it certainly lacks the pompous pretentiousness of Spiderman and X-Men, So if you're into that sort of thing, I could see how it might leave you flat.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Hellboy was very entertaining and i never read the comic before ever, thats the hallmark of a well writen comic movie, when it can stand alone as a movie with or without the comic. But i thought Spiderman 1 was just as good and...frankly its a cointoss as to which is better. Tie for number one on my list.

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

What did you feel was so great about Hellboy? I found it to be pretty mediocre.

Well, it certainly lacks the pompous pretentiousness of Spiderman and X-Men, So if you're into that sort of thing, I could see how it might leave you flat.

I wouldn't say I disliked Hellboy, it just didn't leave much of an impression on me one way or the other. The humor was amusing but not laugh out loud funny, the plot was decent but not stellar, and the action was satisfying but not memorable. The Spiderman movies may have been pretentious and a few other things besides, but their flaws never really bothered me. But I suppose it's just personal taste.

[Molyneux]

What did you feel was so great about Hellboy? I found it to be pretty mediocre.

Well, it certainly lacks the pompous pretentiousness of Spiderman and X-Men, So if you're into that sort of thing, I could see how it might leave you flat.

I wouldn't say I disliked Hellboy, it just didn't leave much of an impression on me one way or the other. The humor was amusing but not laugh out loud funny, the plot was decent but not stellar, and the action was satisfying but not memorable. The Spiderman movies may have been pretentious and a few other things besides, but their flaws never really bothered me. But I suppose it's just personal taste.

If I had legs, I'd kick your ass!

Tell me that that is not one of the best one-off lines in the history of cinema.

[Grasscutter]

I think a throwaway superthug getting his ass handed to him in the first 5 minutes of the film would be a great way to start it off, provided he just gets carted off to jail and we never see him again. Makes the world seem a little more..."super", for lack of a better term. Movie adaptations of comic books always seem a little empty to me since the only superpeople in the world tend to be the hero and his diabolical arch-nemesis. And that sparseness actually knocks me out of SoD a bit.

What did you feel was so great about Hellboy? I found it to be pretty mediocre.

Well, it certainly lacks the pompous pretentiousness of Spiderman and X-Men, So if you're into that sort of thing, I could see how it might leave you flat.

I wouldn't say I disliked Hellboy, it just didn't leave much of an impression on me one way or the other. The humor was amusing but not laugh out loud funny, the plot was decent but not stellar, and the action was satisfying but not memorable. The Spiderman movies may have been pretentious and a few other things besides, but their flaws never really bothered me. But I suppose it's just personal taste.

The only element of Hellboy I actively disliked was that FBI agent. What makes Hellboy such a great character is that he's more grounded than most of the people we see in the series. He doesn't need an external crutch to stop him from becoming the beast of Armageddon or whatever Mignola is alluding to. He overcomes it with his own strength of will and sense of humanity.

Other than FBI boy though I thought it was a good movie.

[Molyneux]

I think a throwaway superthug getting his ass handed to him in the first 5 minutes of the film would be a great way to start it off, provided he just gets carted off to jail and we never see him again. Makes the world seem a little more..."super", for lack of a better term. Movie adaptations of comic books always seem a little empty to me since the only superpeople in the world tend to be the hero and his diabolical arch-nemesis. And that sparseness actually knocks me out of SoD a bit.

Well, it certainly lacks the pompous pretentiousness of Spiderman and X-Men, So if you're into that sort of thing, I could see how it might leave you flat.

I wouldn't say I disliked Hellboy, it just didn't leave much of an impression on me one way or the other. The humor was amusing but not laugh out loud funny, the plot was decent but not stellar, and the action was satisfying but not memorable. The Spiderman movies may have been pretentious and a few other things besides, but their flaws never really bothered me. But I suppose it's just personal taste.

The only element of Hellboy I actively disliked was that FBI agent. What makes Hellboy such a great character is that he's more grounded than most of the people we see in the series. He doesn't need an external crutch to stop him from becoming the beast of Armageddon or whatever Mignola is alluding to. He overcomes it with his own strength of will and sense of humanity.

Other than FBI boy though I thought it was a good movie.

Good news, then - apparently in Hellboy 2, he's not going to have a handler.

[Darth Sephiroth]

My thoughts about Spiderman 3 is currently this

A few minutes cameo villain who gets stomped at the beginning vefore the opening credits roll (Like the short things in 1 & 2) then have Sandman working for Harry (who is the Green Goblin). Something happens and Peter gets the alien costume near the end and loses it. We later see Venom right before (Or immediately after) the closing credits. Although Venom could also be in a montage thing near the end where you get a hint of what is to come or whatever.

[Crown]

I honestly don't see why people thought the Spiderman films were so great. I found the first one to be OK with some painfully bad elements and stupid plot devices, and the second one had an agonizingly boring middle section with a retarded main storyline. Certainly nothing to write home about. As recent comic-based movies go, I found X-Men, Hellboy, and Batman Begins to all be easily superior to either Spiderman movie.

I've gotta aks; wasn't Spiderman 2 just Spiderman 1 with different reasons for him to learn to be a superhero again

[Tiriol]

Actually Doc Ock came back before in the comics. I think he was like an asshole, then he became good and died, then he was brought back (IIRC by magic) and became an asshole again.

Also i'm pretty sure Green Goblin came back from the dead once too.

I find that for some strange reason unbelieavably funny; I'll sig that, if you don't mind.

[Eleas]

I honestly don't see why people thought the Spiderman films were so great. I found the first one to be OK with some painfully bad elements and stupid plot devices, and the second one had an agonizingly boring middle section with a retarded main storyline. Certainly nothing to write home about. As recent comic-based movies go, I found X-Men, Hellboy, and Batman Begins to all be easily superior to either Spiderman movie.

I find myself in agreement, even though I was about as underwhelmed by Batman Begins.

[Stofsk]

I find myself in agreement, even though I was about as underwhelmed by Batman Begins.

You too huh?

[Eleas]

What did you feel was so great about Hellboy? I found it to be pretty mediocre.

Well, it certainly lacks the pompous pretentiousness of Spiderman and X-Men, So if you're into that sort of thing, I could see how it might leave you flat.

I wouldn't say I disliked Hellboy, it just didn't leave much of an impression on me one way or the other. The humor was amusing but not laugh out loud funny, the plot was decent but not stellar, and the action was satisfying but not memorable. The Spiderman movies may have been pretentious and a few other things besides, but their flaws never really bothered me. But I suppose it's just personal taste.

I prefer Hellboy because it had energy, zest, verve, élan -- call it what you will, this was one movie that wasn't ashamed of being a comic adaptation but instead threw itself into the spirit of things with gusto. The choice of colors and the script all showed a similar level of abandon. It knew it was somewhat silly and adolescent, but it was unrepentent about it, whereas Spiderman never seemed to quite make up its mind if it wanted to be melodramatic or low key. This slight flaw was exacerbated in Spiderman 2, which tried to follow the X-Men recipy of real-world commentary in an IMHO pretty silly fashion.

[Eleas]

I find myself in agreement, even though I was about as underwhelmed by Batman Begins.

You too huh?

We are of like mind, my symbiont friend.

[Darth Wong]

I honestly don't see why people thought the Spiderman films were so great. I found the first one to be OK with some painfully bad elements and stupid plot devices, and the second one had an agonizingly boring middle section with a retarded main storyline. Certainly nothing to write home about. As recent comic-based movies go, I found X-Men, Hellboy, and Batman Begins to all be easily superior to either Spiderman movie.

I've gotta aks; wasn't Spiderman 2 just Spiderman 1 with different reasons for him to learn to be a superhero again

A lot of the same plot elements were certainly recycled; the mentor who becomes a villain, the withdrawal into oneself for personal gain, the subsequent discovery of his true identity as a protector of others. But they amped up the angst level, which is why it was more boring than the original, and they also amped up the horrible pseudoscience, which is why it was dumber than the original.

[Molyneux]

I honestly don't see why people thought the Spiderman films were so great. I found the first one to be OK with some painfully bad elements and stupid plot devices, and the second one had an agonizingly boring middle section with a retarded main storyline. Certainly nothing to write home about. As recent comic-based movies go, I found X-Men, Hellboy, and Batman Begins to all be easily superior to either Spiderman movie.

I've gotta aks; wasn't Spiderman 2 just Spiderman 1 with different reasons for him to learn to be a superhero again

A lot of the same plot elements were certainly recycled; the mentor who becomes a villain, the withdrawal into oneself for personal gain, the subsequent discovery of his true identity as a protector of others. But they amped up the angst level, which is why it was more boring than the original, and they also amped up the horrible pseudoscience, which is why it was dumber than the original.

I'll second the groaning at the horrible pseudoscience. It just plain made me cringe.

Molina as Doctor Octopus, however, was truly a great thing.