Yeah but he seems, like most characters in the Ultimate universe, to be really seedy and ruthless. Thats kind of my main complaint about the whole Ultimate Marvel thing is that, besides just 'reimagining' the characters they said "Now remember...they have to be as intensely cynical and nearly-criminalistic as possible. And if anyone asks it's either 'gritty' or 'realistic' and say it 'mirrors a post 9/11 world'. Got that? Great, lets do this!"Edward Yee wrote:If compared to -616 Captain America, I would note that 616's seems to have had a lot more time to acclimatize to the changed moral/sociopolitical climate than Ult-Cap, regardless of how much Ult-Cap has developed, and that 616's Captain America was thawed out a lot closer to his own time than Ult-Cap.18-Till-I-Die wrote:Now here, i'm fairly hypocritical i must admit. On the one hand, yes i feel it betrays the ideals of the character to make him such a jingoistic, ultra-conservitive lapdog.
Of course, while i say this, i've got like every issue of Ultimates so far, and several Ultimate X-Men too. Like i said, i'm a hypocrite. I do love how they handled the characters in a new way in terms of powers and how they use them. For example, Ultimate Cap is a significantly more superhuman 'brick' type, whereas his normal universe counterpart is a Batman-ish 'badass human' type of guy. I still have reservations about Cap using guns though, but at the same time i cant muster a whole lot of negitivity it was just a really well done series.
Well seeing as the basic design for women has remained pretty much constant since the dawn of man, i doubt he was expecting HUGE changes.(I remember panels from his unfreezing issue where he noticed that some elements like women and cars were not so different.)
Yeah...if Rogers is alive, of course. I've been unable to follow some of teh recent developments i dont know if that is a given anymore. All i know is Warbird says he is, and i dont trust someone who shills out to Iron Man the second the shit hits the fan. I would actually find it interesting if two Caps with opposing views were present at the same time.He's the author of Punisher War Journal, and in this interview he gave his take on the Punisher-Captain America relationship, as well as stating that he intended to continue it. Based on that, I can see Steve Rogers (name used to distinguish from Castle's "Cap"), after somehow getting out of the Raft, being fucking PIIIIIIIIISSED when he finds out.I'm not really sure what Matt Fraction said, or, to be honest, who that is.
Yeah, believe it or not though i used to pay heed to those "rockstar publishers" from the old Image days though. But that is in my past, i rarely even know who is writing what anymore. Call me disillusioned.(Btw, I don't have a problem with your ignoring; I admittedly do the same.)
I can in my minds eye, see this working to a degree. But my fear is that "Capital Punisher" will turn into some kind of Protocide, like Venom is to Spiderman, and start just offing people. Not 'fear' perhaps, but i can see them going that route easily and it's kind of divergent from what people expect from Captain America.If somehow no writer could save a fundamentally flawed idea, then that would be the fault of this sudden deviation from what was the apparent original intent of the Punisher War Journal, as presented prior to Civil War #5: Specifically, that the Punisher was supposed to be essentially neutral about the SHRA and the Civil War -- until one side started using supervillains -- and would go after supervillains since the superheroes were fighting one another, upgrading accordingly. (For example, a longarm taken from a SHIELD armory to punched through the Rhino's armor and broke his horn... then I swear I saw him wearing a fucking pwnerfist.)
A thought just now that I had, though unrelated -- the MAX version of the Punisher presents an interesting dichotomy in that to my knowledge, everyone who's targeted him has done so with "mind games."
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See thats what i mean about some of these 'reimaginings' that Marvel has done. Thsi isnt the same as Ultimate Marvel but it hits on the general idea that, some people think if they make something 'dark' enough it somehow becomes more 'mature' and 'adult'. Me, that just kind of grosses me out. Desicration of bodies and such...i mean, Jesus Christ.
