The OotS Thread III

[AniThyng]

It isn't a usage that is familiar to me, I admit, except in the context of "them" = "the real estate agent's office as a collective". But it seems this is indeed accepted usage, so that's that.

But again, I think it is awkward when we use it for V because he is a specific person, as opposed to a nonspecific person. To paraphrase the wiki example:

"If someone were to turn evil, I'd dump them from the party." <-- sounds okay, nonspecific person(s)

vs

"If V were to turn evil, I'd dump them from the party" <-- awkward, V is a specific person

In any case, V i would side with using "him" for V over "her", and "her" for Inkyrius over "him", which probably reflects on my biases in how I perceive their respective mannerisms.

[Lord of the Abyss]

884 up!

[Raesene]

Mortal misery is still good enough for the silver medal )

[PainRack]

For a moment, I thought the fiend was going to be utterly fubar V there but it seems that he's more of a force for good than evil:D

[Lord of the Abyss]

The imp has something of a history of letting things slip where Blackwing is concerned.

[Crazedwraith]

The main site is borked thanks to hacking. There is still a new comic

+1 To how the hell are they going get out of this?

[Spekio]

I'm gessing illusion. Let's not forget where they are.

[Rogue 9]

Sadly, undead are immune to mind-affecting effects, meaning that even without a high Will save (which he has to have) vast swathes of illusion magic are straight up useless against Xykon.

[Panzersharkcat]

I'm guessing Spekio means the Xykon they see is an illusion intended to keep them away from the gate.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Yeah, undead are still susceptible to illusion spells, since it creates a false image that would show up on cameras and the like just fine. You just can't directly affect his mind.

[Kuja]

I'm gessing illusion. Let's not forget where they are.

That was my initial reaction too. "Here's a bunch of magic runes we're walking past, idk what they do, oh, our most feared enemy just walked through the next door."

Of course, I wouldn't put it past the comic for it to be a reverse and that's the real Xykon. In which case the Order can triple the amount of boned it already is.

[FaxModem1]

My guess is that it's V made to look like Xykon through the runes. She was heading in that direction after all.

[Ralin]

If it really is Xykon there are much worse ways to come across him than with Roy in full attack range with his +5 undead-smitey sword and that new anti-caster feat he learned from his grandfather.

[Rogue 9]

Yeah, undead are still susceptible to illusion spells, since it creates a false image that would show up on cameras and the like just fine. You just can't directly affect his mind.

Patterns and phantasms are both mind-affecting illusion. His undead status doesn't render all illusion useless; just two major subschools of it.

[Panzersharkcat]

Also, Xykon actually remembering Roy is what convinces me it's an illusion.

[Irbis]

Also, Xykon actually remembering Roy is what convinces me it's an illusion.

But he did remember him before, in pretty much the same manner.

As for what it is, it might be illusion, but I doubt it's V, seeing Redcloak follows and V was alone. My bet is on Linear Guild, it sounds like convoluted plan Nale loves

[Rogue 9]

I doubt that it's the Linear Guild. If nothing else, Nale is convinced that he himself is the primary villain, and if he thinks of Xykon at all he does so as that guy he was double crossing back in that dungeon that one time.

[Lord of the Abyss]

An interesting point I saw made on another forum: We don't see Redcloak's face, and the Order last saw Redcloak with two eyes. If this some illusion that creates what they imagine as their worst enemy, then the image of Redcloak would probably still have both eyes - which would immediately give away to the readers that something is up.

[Irbis]

I doubt that it's the Linear Guild. If nothing else, Nale is convinced that he himself is the primary villain, and if he thinks of Xykon at all he does so as that guy he was double crossing back in that dungeon that one time.

But it might be spell casted that took the shape, not Nale wishing specifically they take that form.

An interesting point I saw made on another forum: We don't see Redcloak's face, and the Order last saw Redcloak with two eyes. If this some illusion that creates what they imagine as their worst enemy, then the image of Redcloak would probably still have both eyes - which would immediately give away to the readers that something is up.

I don't know. You can't see the eyepatch cord, but on the other hand, wasn't Xykon last time Order saw him crown-less and with medallion?

[Isolder74]

No, I'm pretty sure he took it back when he found Roy at Asure City.

[Kuja]

No, I'm pretty sure he took it back when he found Roy at Asure City.

Right before teaching him how dragon zombies don't work.

[Welf]

I don't know. You can't see the eyepatch cord, but on the other hand, wasn't Xykon last time Order saw him crown-less and with medallion?

Yes, he definitely had his medallion. And they knew Xykon would arrive, precisely because he had his medallion back. So they would expect him with medallion.

[Crazedwraith]

Redcloak wore the phlyactary medallion though. Not Xykon.

[Irbis]

No, I'm pretty sure he took it back when he found Roy at Asure City.

Yes, but they didn't saw that.

Redcloak wore the phlyactary medallion though. Not Xykon.

No, all four 'quintuplets' had medallions as part of the ruse IIRC when OotS last saw Xykon.

[Isolder74]

No, I'm pretty sure he took it back when he found Roy at Asure City.

Yes, but they didn't saw that.

Since that happened during the fight on top of the Zombi Dragon, I'm sure they did.