The OotS thread

[lance]

As per the rules (no more than 25 hit dice), V would have been able to turn into a red dragon, a force dragon, or a purple dragon. Then again, V would also need a jade circlet to perform shapechange, unless there's a feat I'm not aware of. Eschew materials is only good for items worth up to 1 gold. It's possible that Shapechange in OotS world is treated like many games do.

There is an epic version of Eschew IIRC.

[The Yosemite Bear]

What level of magical epic-ness is required to have one's Wizard's Tower be a devil's pitchfork?

[Napoleon the Clown]

As per the rules (no more than 25 hit dice), V would have been able to turn into a red dragon, a force dragon, or a purple dragon. Then again, V would also need a jade circlet to perform shapechange, unless there's a feat I'm not aware of. Eschew materials is only good for items worth up to 1 gold. It's possible that Shapechange in OotS world is treated like many games do.

There is an epic version of Eschew IIRC.

There is indeed.

Ignore Material Components [Epic]
Prerequisites

Eschew Materials, Spellcraft 25 ranks, ability to cast 9th-level arcane or divine spells.
Benefit

You may cast spells without any material components. This feat does not affect the need for a focus or divine focus.

So there's still the question of how V cast Shapechange. I somehow doubt a 1500 gold circlet is part of V's gear. I'd be willing to accept that the circlet came with the clothing change, except we see no circlet. Odd...

Though there may be an epic feat outside the SRD, too. I've only got a handful of books, so there's a lot of epic feats I don't know about.

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[Ford Prefect]

BTW Erfworld seems to be building up to something really impressive also.

I can't help but laugh at the people raging on the Erfworld forum at how that "violates the rules" of the Erfworld setting when we don't even really know what those rules are in the first place past a comparatively basic framework.

I don't see how anyone could look at a plan to uncroak the volcano as being anything other than cool.

[Peptuck]

BTW Erfworld seems to be building up to something really impressive also.

I can't help but laugh at the people raging on the Erfworld forum at how that "violates the rules" of the Erfworld setting when we don't even really know what those rules are in the first place past a comparatively basic framework.

I don't see how anyone could look at a plan to uncroak the volcano as being anything other than cool.

I don't think anyone's denying its awesome as all get out, but some of the people on the Erfworld forums were raging because "OMG YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE RULES."

Which makes no sense, considering the "rules" of Erfworld haven't precisely covered what can or cannot be uncroaked, especially when you factor in the tri-caster link, which allows for casting ridiculously powerful spells and effects that wouldn't be possible normally. The vast majority of the rules behind spellcasting and the like haven't beend efined thus far in the comic.

Its kind of like the people raging at Ansom teaming up with the Archons to pull off that dance-fight DDR trick, on the grounds of it being "impossible." Neither the Archons' abilities or the rules behind how dance-fighting works (e.g. who can lead a dance-fight, and under what conditions) in Erfworld are ever explained or rigidly defined, yet people are pissed at it or violating some "rules" they've come up with as to how Erfworld works.

[Solauren]

Though there may be an epic feat outside the SRD, too. I've only got a handful of books, so there's a lot of epic feats I don't know about.

Dude, Wizards of the Coast website covers all the books
There are indexes out there that cover the rest

[Raxmei]

This is basically the point where the virtual DM closes the rulebook and tells V's virtual player he can do just about anything he wants that he can connect to the sorc/wiz spell list. This situation is all sorts of beyond the scope of the rules. Vaarsuvius is arbitrarily powerful at this time.

[Mr Bean]

Speaking of all powerful epic spells
Ooots 639 is up
Talk about... errr over-kill?
Familicide

An epic spell that kills everyone related to you, or I assume since it's the mother dragon's case, all of her other sons, daughters, granddaughters, great grand sons, anyone who's she's even related to by blood is now dead. And with her mate long dead as well... that rather explosively wraps up the entire black dragon family tree.

[Lord of the Abyss]

I just noticed the title; "If they pull a knife . . . ."

"The Chicago Way" indeed.

[consequences]

Now, wouldn't it be absolutely horrible if Rich ends the comic by having V obliterate eveything even vaguely threatening, up to and including the Snarl?

[Ender]

And that right there is a whole new level of psychopathic behavior right there. Though I'm certain if I go to the gitp forums the mouth breathers there will be defending genocide as a good act.

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[Crazedwraith]

Ouch. Doubly as nasty as the comic explicitly shows eggs and children dragon getting zapped. V is Eeeeevil. With a capital Eeeee. I wonder just how long the soul transfer will last and just how bad V's going to feel afterward.

[Lord of the Abyss]

We saw two or three part-dragons getting zapped. Someone pointed out on another forum that V's children are mentioned in the strip as adopted. If they just happen to have some dragon ancestry far enough back so it doesn't show . . .

V could be in for a karma driven disaster.

[Starglider]

We saw two or three part-dragons getting zapped. Someone pointed out on another forum that V's children are mentioned in the strip as adopted. If they just happen to have some dragon ancestry far enough back so it doesn't show . . .

V could be in for a karma driven disaster.

There's no indication that this spell blocks resurrection, so even if that did happen a Raise Dead spell should fix the problem.

[Lord of the Abyss]

We saw two or three part-dragons getting zapped. Someone pointed out on another forum that V's children are mentioned in the strip as adopted. If they just happen to have some dragon ancestry far enough back so it doesn't show . . .

V could be in for a karma driven disaster.

There's no indication that this spell blocks resurrection, so even if that did happen a Raise Dead spell should fix the problem.

We'll see. Given that this is an epic level necromancy spell that's supposed to eradicate whole extended families, apparently to prevent relatives from attacking you for what you did to someone, it might well have a no-resurrect function.

Or given the way he/she's been acting, V might casually raise them as undead instead of bothering to get a priest. That should have an interesting effect on his/her mate if it happens.

[Imperial Overlord]

Brutal and pretty much guaranteed to send your soul to the lower planes for all eternity. I'm sure the fiends are happy.

[Darmalus]

I felt bad about the eggs and children for a second, but then I remembered "Color coded for your convenience.", so this is less evil than it first appears. Just one evil creature bumping off a bunch of other evil creatures preemptively, like eradicating small pox so you're never in danger of getting infected.

If this was the real world, I would feel different, but it is OotS, so on the balance this is an evil spell for good results.

[Starglider]

If this was the real world, I would feel different, but it is OotS, so on the balance this is an evil spell for good results.

True, I can't think of any examples of OotS creatures genuinely bucking their alignment stereotypes (those goblin kids were only pretending to). If alignment in OotS worked the same way that it does in Goblins that I'd agree with Imperial Overlord.

[Ender]

If this was the real world, I would feel different, but it is OotS, so on the balance this is an evil spell for good results.

True, I can't think of any examples of OotS creatures genuinely bucking their alignment stereotypes (those goblin kids were only pretending to). If alignment in OotS worked the same way that it does in Goblins that I'd agree with Imperial Overlord.

Actually, the entire point of Start of Darkness was to highlight the difference between "evil because the paper says so" and "evil because of your actions". OotS is quite like Goblins in that regard, the primary difference appearing to be one of the role of divine command theory in OotS and Goblins trying to work in more of Aquinas' works in to questioning things.


That, and Thunt is an utter cocksucker.

[Ford Prefect]

Now, wouldn't it be absolutely horrible if Rich ends the comic by having V obliterate eveything even vaguely threatening, up to and including the Snarl?

Yes, it would be absolutely horrible.

[avatarxprime]

Familicide, that's one heck of an epic level spell and it leaves me wondering just what Xykon has up his sleeve for next time. Remember, all Xykon has been doing (other than torturing O-Chul) has been working on Epic items and spells... *dum dum dum* Could Rich be preparing us for the kind of nasty that Xykon will be bringing when the Order gets their final confrontation with him?

[Imperial Overlord]

If this was the real world, I would feel different, but it is OotS, so on the balance this is an evil spell for good results.

True, I can't think of any examples of OotS creatures genuinely bucking their alignment stereotypes (those goblin kids were only pretending to). If alignment in OotS worked the same way that it does in Goblins that I'd agree with Imperial Overlord.

In 3.0/3.5 the alignment listed under each critter is the most common alignment, but they aren't exclusively that alignment. Even given that the vast majority of black dragons are chaotic evil, that isn't likely to be the case for all the draconic creatures and half dragons that were also killed by the spell.

[Peptuck]

Holy shit, V.

I mean, holy shit.

[CaptainChewbacca]

So... did V just kill every black dragon and dragonkin on earth at the same time?

[The Yosemite Bear]

no just the % of all black dragonkin which would be of any relation no matter how tenuous to the one that he was fighting.

Still counts as Genocide.