Crazedwraith wrote:Redcloak wore the phlyactary medallion though. Not Xykon.
No, all four 'quintuplets' had medallions as part of the ruse IIRC when OotS last saw Xykon.
Nope. Just the three fake Xykons had medallions.
And given what Wulf said:
Yes, he definitely had his medallion. And they knew Xykon would arrive, precisely because he had his medallion back. So they would expect him with medallion.
It's clear he's talking about the phylactary.
I forgot did the Order even know Xykon had his phylactary back? I think the message just went out to Hinjo.
And yup, it was an illusion, and clearly generated by those runes. Roy's going to be seriously peeved when he finds out his great moment of victory...wasn't. And that the fact that Xykon knew his name was also an illusion.
I wonder if the special move we see here is the one he learned in the afterlife, or just an illusion-manufactured fantasy?
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
Crazedwraith wrote:Hmm. The illusionary redcloak. had the eye patch but the original holy symbol not the back up one he's been using.
Spoiler
He has the eyepatch, but on the wrong eye. And Fake Vaarsuvius is uninjured and lacks Blackwing. There's no MitD. The color palette of the comic also shifts subtly towards purple as it goes on too (people analyzed it pretty closely on the OOTS forum). Lots of little clues that something is "off".
Plus, the Order member who "dies" is the one Roy least likes (and poor Mr Scruffy! Maybe Roy's a cat hater). And "Wish Fulfillment" Xykon used Roy's name!
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
Ah. I assumed Belkar died because the prophecy said he would before the end of the story. the purple shift gets very noticeable in the second page of the comic especially when it goes back to normal for the reality panel
Oh course even in the fantasy this shouldn't be the end. I mean you've killed Xykon before Roy.
I kind of wonder why he said 'Roy'. I'd say he mistook Hinjo or someone like that for Xykon and killed him ('Roy' being illusion weakening for a second) but the sword on the back pretty much says it's impossible. Also, I wonder if everyone sees the same, or different illusion.
Eh, killing Xykon would have only been a temporary setback anyway - after all, his Phylactery is very well hidden, so he can just come back.
The Order would actually be better off killing Redcloack, since that would be more of a setback for Team Evil.
Or at least Xykon should think so - after all, the real Phylactery isnt
SoS:NBAGALE Force "Destiny and fate are for those too weak to forge their own futures. Where we are 'supposed' to be is irrelevent." - Sir Nitram
"The world owes you nothing but painful lessons" - CaptainChewbacca
"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one." - Wilhelm Stekel
"In 1969 it was easier to send a man to the Moon than to have the public accept a homosexual" - Broomstick Divine Administration - of Gods and Bureaucracy (Worm/Exalted)
Nitram, slightly high on cough syrup: Do you know you're beautiful?
Me: Nope, that's why I have you around to tell me.
Nitram: You -are- beautiful. Anyone tries to tell you otherwise kill them.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP" -- Leonard Nimoy, last Tweet
Ahriman238 wrote:
Now is that a group illusion, or Roy's?
I suspect it's just Roy's as it seems like a "Roy wish fulfillment fantasy". For example, Belkar's and Mr Scruffy's illusionary death; those aren't things that would appeal to Belkar. For a less extreme example, it's all centered on Roy beating Xykon, and Xykon acknowledging Roy. The others just support Roy's victory.
I suspect that Elan is having a fantasy of Tarquin showing up and acknowledging he was wrong and coming over to the side of good, Haley's seeing a huge treasure pile, etc.
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
I ask mostly because, if not, we'll likely what the others' fantasies are, in the print version if nothing else.
Now that it's been revealed that they've fallen to an illusion and/or enchantment, I doubt that he'll spend a lot of time showing the others' illusions. It's been mentioned before that this book is getting really, really thick and the arc is in danger of suffering pacing issues.
That doesn't mean it won't see the print edition, but he's cut entire plot arcs from the online comic before and put them back into the books because the release rate meant the story wasn't going anywhere otherwise. Most notable is the recovery of Roy's body in Greysky City, which goes a long way toward explaining some of what comes later.
I'm thinking that maybe they're in a shared illusion after all? Nothing in the Elan/Haley panels really requires it to be. Aside from them having defeated Xykon and being at leisure but it sort of makes sense from the lack of Belkar vision. His fantasy would be way too uncongruent to fit with the other's. We know at least he's alive from the last strip
So, the next step is for V to dismiss the illusion? The LG steps in?
Let him land on any Lyran world to taste firsthand the wrath of peace loving people thwarted by the myopic greed of a few miserly old farts- Katrina Steiner
I'm thinking they escape the illusory world thanks to some factor beyond their control, that has noting to do with will, character or better magic, perhaps Roy's having seen heaven and rejecting the illusion, exposure to the Gates (good way for the Draketooth Clan to be sure the trap wouldn't catch any of their own) or something like that.
And then the Linear Guild get trapped in the illusion and can't break out. One problem solved, a dozen more to go.
"Any plan which requires the direct intervention of any deity to work can be assumed to be a very poor one."- Newbiespud
Ahriman238 wrote:And then the Linear Guild get trapped in the illusion and can't break out. One problem solved, a dozen more to go.
Except for the pesky detail of Undead being immune to vast majority of mind-affecting effects and Malack/Durkon having by far the highest possible Will saves out of everyone present
