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Didn't Buffy relatively effortlessly bend a shotgun barrel a good 45 degrees in one episode? I don't know if that would translate into an advantage versus a Terminator beyond some of the other feats of strength and endurance listed but it does seem worth mentioning.
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Lord Insanity wrote:Didn't Buffy relatively effortlessly bend a shotgun barrel a good 45 degrees in one episode? I don't know if that would translate into an advantage versus a Terminator beyond some of the other feats of strength and endurance listed but it does seem worth mentioning.
It was a hunting rifle--one for medium sized game or so.
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Hunted for some clips on Youtube which shows good Terminator action.

TSCC 1

A T does a hit on John in school, saved only by Cameron jumping in front of the bullet for him. Try this in Sunnydale and Buffy ends up dead. Least of all because she is likely going to be sitting next to her pals and like with Warren will attempt to shield them from getting blasted.

TSCC 2

Using family as a means of infiltration is clearly shown which makes Buffy vulnerable to the same trick. One day Buffy walks through her door, hears her mums voice and responds to a chest full of bullets.

Arnie vs. T-X

Needless to say Buffy is completely fucked against the T-X but we get to see Arnie's abilities which will end up with Buffy getting face planted into the deck if she engages in HtH with him and the T-888 is likely to do the same.

Without some extreme luck and prudence on Buffy's part she will try her kung fu shit and get mauled in the first encounter. If it is Cameron she is against then...

Cameron vs. Pretzel

If she gets away then she has the chance to mount up the gang but that still leaves her needing to either use magic or weapons. Either via special ammunition which Xander MIGHT be able to help identify or by heavy explosives.

Shotgun vs. T-888

or.

Explosives
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PREDATOR490 wrote:Hunted for some clips on Youtube which shows good Terminator action.

TSCC 1

A T does a hit on John in school, saved only by Cameron jumping in front of the bullet for him. Try this in Sunnydale and Buffy ends up dead.
Given past experience, it depends on range. 50/50 split. Still, most viable tactic a Termie can take.

Or, in later cases, if Buffy is even in school.
TSCC 2

Using family as a means of infiltration is clearly shown which makes Buffy vulnerable to the same trick. One day Buffy walks through her door, hears her mums voice and responds to a chest full of bullets.
That clip also illustrates Buffy's greater resistance to elecrtrical shock (at least apparently, he could have gotten up again in a certain interval of time for all I know).

Again, viable tactic, but assumes that the Terminator is being sent for Buffy and she's none the wiser.

A more probable scenario is Buffy stumbling across a terminator mid termination scheme. 50/50 chance of Buffy realizing it's a machine (she spotted Buffybot and Aprilbot pretty well).
Arnie vs. T-X

Needless to say Buffy is completely fucked against the T-X but we get to see Arnie's abilities which will end up with Buffy getting face planted into the deck if she engages in HtH with him and the T-888 is likely to do the same.
No one's questioning if a Termie is stronger than Buffy, really. Physically, Buffy's best advantage is Speed and blunt force resistance. Furthermore, the Terminators weigh a considerable amount more than Buffy so it's really a no brainer that when they are tossed into a wall, they are going to damage it.

IIRC, aren't terminator's like 1,000lbs in weight?

Buffy's lucky to be 1/10th that, as are the things she's tossed around. However, Termies are still within her lifitng capacity and her bigger blows will get them to fall back a bit (or at the very least stumble).
Without some extreme luck and prudence on Buffy's part she will try her kung fu shit and get mauled in the first encounter.
The only thing that Terminator's have over Buffy's previous high-end foes is Pragmatism (That neck-stomp combo--if the Terminator could get it off, would be quite effective).

I managed to find a clip of Buffy's first encounter with the fallen god Glory. Glory's Backhanded fist is a bit beyond most Termies.

The thing is, Buffy is undeniably faster than the Termies. So even if the Termie gets into hth range, how many of its blows are connecting?

Here, after a fight with Willow (which apparently weakened her), Buffy displays some of the speed of her attacks.

Glory is just scary.

Funny thing, though. The original script had Buffy tearing out a Lamp Post and slamming Glory with it to keep her at bay among other amazing things occuring. When the writer was told something along the lines of:

"Hm, yeah: Stanely Cubric with 100 million dollars couldn't shoot this."

He rewrote it to be "Glory vs. Bugs Bunny."
If it is Cameron she is against then...


Well, that was the original idea.
The only impressive shot in that sequence was Cameron's kick. The other parts appear to be dislocation and wire severing internally.

And it showed that decaptiation remains a viable tactic for some termies. The first T-888 appears to be the exception so far.
If she gets away then she has the chance to mount up the gang but that still leaves her needing to either use magic or weapons. Either via special ammunition which Xander MIGHT be able to help identify or by heavy explosives.
Late-series Willow (or God Forbid, Season 8 Willow) might as well be a Deus-Ex-Machina for this vs.

Terminator stuck in an alternate dimension is pretty much neutralized.
Strangely, that lessens my respect for Termie armor just a smidgen.

Still respectable.
I like how in this scene the Terminator misses a target within Buffy's known dodge radius.

Here's a clip of Buffy dodging (lazily shot) gattling gun fire before going all Uber-Slayer.

I keep flashing back to the Beast and how it would just laugh off such things. A Slayer (Faith) still took it to hand-to-hand and had it react (if only to the momentum, it still reacted).

Ah, the Beast was fun.
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Majin Gojira wrote:
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Without some extreme luck and prudence on Buffy's part she will try her kung fu shit and get mauled in the first encounter.
The only thing that Terminator's have over Buffy's previous high-end foes is Pragmatism (That neck-stomp combo--if the Terminator could get it off, would be quite effective).

I managed to find a clip of Buffy's first encounter with the fallen god Glory. Glory's Backhanded fist is a bit beyond most Termies.

The thing is, Buffy is undeniably faster than the Termies. So even if the Termie gets into hth range, how many of its blows are connecting?

Here, after a fight with Willow (which apparently weakened her), Buffy displays some of the speed of her attacks.

Glory is just scary.
Been a while since I saw Buffy and now I am utterly convinced the T would kill her. Buffy is brainless and her smartass comments would get her killed vs. a T.
Buffy just quips to Glory before letting herself getting hit thus that gives a pragmatic T a solid chance to hit Buffy. Although Ts usually grab the target by the throat and squeeze/snap which renders Buffy's agility mute.
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Strangely, that lessens my respect for Termie armor just a smidgen.

Still respectable.
It took Terminator Cameron hitting the exact same spot with special ammunition to get this result. None of the Buffy gang have the experience or training to accomplish a similar feat except MAYBE Riley. Conventional guns are useless against Ts as should be plainly evident by the movies alone.
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I like how in this scene the Terminator misses a target within Buffy's known dodge radius.

Here's a clip of Buffy dodging (lazily shot) gattling gun fire before going all Uber-Slayer.
Once again we have Buffy getting grabbed and hit by Adam despite her superior agility. Thus a Terminator is going to land blows and if it grabs her will start faceplanting her into walls, floors etc or a pragamtic T will simply grab her, squeeze and pound her into paste while she is unable to get away.
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Cameron and other TSCC terminators seems especially fond of grabbing by the neck, hoisting people up and then snapping their necks.
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PREDATOR490 wrote:Once again we have Buffy getting grabbed and hit by Adam despite her superior agility.
You're making a mistake here. Adam's speed =/= a Termies speed. This is especially evident later in the clip.

As for "Then beating her to a pulp" part, well...

She's been hit harder, for longer and survived. I repeat, a Termie's pragmatism is their greatest strength in this vs.
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God, your quotefail made me miss the other points.
PREDATOR490 wrote:Buffy just quips to Glory before letting herself getting hit thus that gives a pragmatic T a solid chance to hit Buffy.
Wow. Being hit by a dethrowned God whos running speed leaves Buffy (let alone terminators) in the dust does NOT equate "Termie free hit!"

The then question falls on "Can Buffy extract herself from a Termie's grip?" Given a general lack of reaction to pressure points, it generally falls to if Buffy can trip it up--and that would only be like a 40% success rate on a neck hold. So that's more of a no.

Still, the neck's a damn small target afterall (on an already small frame), and Buffy's far quicker and more flexible than your average 8## series machine.
It took Terminator Cameron hitting the exact same spot with special ammunition
Yeah. That bit of information could have been useful prior to just saying "LOL CLIP!"

If there is information relevant to the discussion that is not within the clip then you damn well better mention it!
to get this result. None of the Buffy gang have the experience or training to accomplish a similar feat except MAYBE Riley. Conventional guns are useless against Ts as should be plainly evident by the movies alone.
And it appeared that the clip you showed demonstrated the contrary. And then there's that clip in the Terminator Prequel movie that has a termie shot in the head by an M-16 and killed.

Unless that was 'Special Ammo' to. And what the hell is that special ammo anyway? What was it, concentrated Phlobotimun or Mcguffintainum?
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I'm pretty sure Terminators certainly do NOT weigh 1,000lbs and instead weigh approximately what a normal person weighs. T:SCC certainly showed they can weigh as much as a diminuitive girl.
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Majin Gojira wrote: God, your quotefail made me miss the other points.
PREDATOR490 wrote:Buffy just quips to Glory before letting herself getting hit thus that gives a pragmatic T a solid chance to hit Buffy.
Wow. Being hit by a dethrowned God whos running speed leaves Buffy (let alone terminators) in the dust does NOT equate "Termie free hit!"
Buffy being a smart ass equates to a free hit and you have already agreed that a Terminator is stronger than her. Buffy just stood there, quipped and let herself get brushed asided and backhanded. A T isnt going to fuck around like Glory, it would have put bullets in her back at range or decked her from the beginning.
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to get this result. None of the Buffy gang have the experience or training to accomplish a similar feat except MAYBE Riley. Conventional guns are useless against Ts as should be plainly evident by the movies alone.
And it appeared that the clip you showed demonstrated the contrary. And then there's that clip in the Terminator Prequel movie that has a termie shot in the head by an M-16 and killed.
If you are referring in ANY way to Salvation then that is completely irrelevant to anything here due to being a different timeline and not even involving any Terminators from the proper period. 2027 from T2, TSCC vs. 2018 for Terminator Salvation.
Majin Gojira wrote: Unless that was 'Special Ammo' to. And what the hell is that special ammo anyway? What was it, concentrated Phlobotimun or Mcguffintainum?
From what has been mentioned the ammunition used was 12 Gauge Depleted Uranium and still required Cameron hitting the eye socket multiple times to work. A feat which Buffy is certainly not going to be able to duplicate since she has neither the training to wield a shotgun like that or the resources to get that kind of ammo. Nevermind she dosent have the information to know of this weakness.
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PREDATOR490 wrote:Buffy being a smart ass equates to a free hit and you have already agreed that a Terminator is stronger than her. Buffy just stood there, quipped and let herself get brushed asided and backhanded. A T isnt going to fuck around like Glory, it would have put bullets in her back at range or decked her from the beginning.
So you're extrapolating that she begins all her fights like this from that one scene?

Yeah. Buffy's quote to hit ratio vaires quite widely. Sometimes she quips mid hit. Sometimes, post hit. Sometimes, at ranges beyond melee.

Don't expect her to quip within melee range automatically.
If you are referring in ANY way to Salvation then that is completely irrelevant to anything here due to being a different timeline and not even involving any Terminators from the proper period. 2027 from T2, TSCC vs. 2018 for Terminator Salvation.
Good to know.
From what has been mentioned the ammunition used was 12 Gauge Depleted Uranium and still required Cameron hitting the eye socket multiple times to work. A feat which Buffy is certainly not going to be able to duplicate since she has neither the training to wield a shotgun like that or the resources to get that kind of ammo. Nevermind she dosent have the information to know of this weakness.
*head-desk*

That's not a "weakness" it's basically saying "The Eye is a structural weakness" but it needs an extremely dense metal to penetrate it.

So, what does Buffy have that can duplicate that, because this is a girl capable of catching Crossbowbolts at close range (15ft) barehanded ("Help").

So, if she realizes she needs to up her arsenal and managed to evade the Termie long enough to do so (Given her speed, it's possible, until the Termie high-jack's a car.)

Rocket Launcher (Season 2) as provided by Xander.
Fertelizer Bomb (Season 3) again, as Provided by Xander.
Initaitive Tazer (Season 4) would short a Termie out for at the very least a few minutes based on the footage you brought.
Troll Hammer of Godliness (Season 5), which she honestly had to be reminded was around (I blame Stress from Sister imminent death and recent recovery from Heroic Blue Screen of Death--it tends to have a bad effect on the head).
The Scythe (Season 7 and Beyond) is capable of bisekting a highly enhanced human. The exact limits its cutting power, I did not get a chance to calculate.

Any one of these could damage of Termie in the hands of a mortal let alone a Slayer (Okay, the last one is "Slayer only").
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Stark wrote:I'm pretty sure Terminators certainly do NOT weigh 1,000lbs and instead weigh approximately what a normal person weighs. T:SCC certainly showed they can weigh as much as a diminuitive girl.
Yet they are negatively boyant.
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Wow I'm glad you've considered the weight of evidence and come to the conclusion that best fits the facts! Clearly bedframes, carseats, elevators and the like are just way better in Terminator-verse. :) And 'sinks' = '1000lb', apparently, as established by your detailed reasoning.
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Stark wrote:Wow I'm glad you've considered the weight of evidence and come to the conclusion that best fits the facts! Clearly bedframes, carseats, elevators and the like are just way better in Terminator-verse. :) And 'sinks' = '1000lb', apparently, as established by your detailed reasoning.
Nah, I'm not holding to 1000, but they definetly weigh more than a human of similar size.

With your evidence, it may be 1-3 hundred pounds more.
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So after throwing out a baseless number and deriding oppposing evidence, you now drop it to '1-3 hundred pounds more' ... still based on nothing? Great to see the level of analysis you consider!
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Stark wrote:So after throwing out a baseless number and deriding oppposing evidence, you now drop it to '1-3 hundred pounds more' ... still based on nothing? Great to see the level of analysis you consider!
Hence they "may".

I know when I'm throwing around unqualified numbers.

Would you rather I say "We know they weigh enough to be negatively boyant for a human of similar size. We know they are constructed primarily of metal (what, I'm not venturing to guess), but are light enough in their construction to not break everyday objects found in the human's world by standing/walking/stitting on them."
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Majin Gojira wrote:
PREDATOR490 wrote:Buffy being a smart ass equates to a free hit and you have already agreed that a Terminator is stronger than her. Buffy just stood there, quipped and let herself get brushed asided and backhanded. A T isnt going to fuck around like Glory, it would have put bullets in her back at range or decked her from the beginning.
So you're extrapolating that she begins all her fights like this from that one scene?

Yeah. Buffy's quote to hit ratio vaires quite widely. Sometimes she quips mid hit. Sometimes, post hit. Sometimes, at ranges beyond melee.

Don't expect her to quip within melee range automatically.
Buffy either let Glory sneak up on her or was unaware to some point. In either case a Terminator would have had no issue putting bullets in Buffy's back.
If the Terminator is going to go melee then Buffy will not simply get backhanded, she will either get grabbed and her neck snapped or slammed into the nearest object.

Caleb vs. Buffy

Despite Buffy's 'superior' agility Caleb lands more than a few blows into her even with her super axe and he even takes it off of her. I dont see how a T would fail to land blows or Buffy being able to win a tug of war if you have already agreed the Terminator is stronger than Buffy. Additionally, since you have agreed the T is more pragmatic then it will not mess around like Buffy's normal foes to finish her off.
Majin Gojira wrote: So, what does Buffy have that can duplicate that, because this is a girl capable of catching Crossbowbolts at close range (15ft) barehanded ("Help").
Unless Buffy can catch bullets this is rather irrelevant since a T dosent use crossbows.
Majin Gojira wrote: So, if she realizes she needs to up her arsenal and managed to evade the Termie long enough to do so (Given her speed, it's possible, until the Termie high-jack's a car.)
Or goes off and upgrades IT'S arsenal by getting intel on her, family, friends etc. and the means to kill them all.
Majin Gojira wrote: Rocket Launcher (Season 2) as provided by Xander.
This only happened once and logically should only be able to happen once since it depends entirely on Xander's unquantifiable knowledge. Buffy from this time is easily at her weakest against a T. Willow is useless, Xander is spineless and Angelus is mindfucking everybody. Assuming she gets her hands on a rocket launcher, the thing is not exacty easy to wield and a T is not going to sit idle while she aims. While she is bringing it to bear she is also vulnerable to the T shooting at her and her friends.
Majin Gojira wrote: Fertelizer Bomb (Season 3) again, as Provided by Xander.
Is this the finale with the Mayor Snake ?
Needless to say that has a low chance of success against a T which will not mess around for days while they set up elaborate explosives and Cameron has survived being blown up in a car and a house. T1 had the Terminator still fighting when it's legs were blown off by Kyle's pipe bomb and TSCC has a T-888 get hit by claymore simulators and still keep coming.
Anything less than a direct hit by an armored piercing round or high explosive weapon would appear to be ineffective against Ts.
Majin Gojira wrote: Initaitive Tazer (Season 4) would short a Termie out for at the very least a few minutes based on the footage you brought.
This might actually work. TSCC establishes that T-888s get reset when hit with enough energy. The reset takes 120 seconds so they have that long to either run or attempt to take the T out. Although Cameron can possibly reset quicker.
Majin Gojira wrote: Troll Hammer of Godliness (Season 5), which she honestly had to be reminded was around (I blame Stress from Sister imminent death and recent recovery from Heroic Blue Screen of Death--it tends to have a bad effect on the head).

The Scythe (Season 7 and Beyond) is capable of bisekting a highly enhanced human. The exact limits its cutting power, I did not get a chance to calculate.
The latter I assume is the axe Caleb was tugging on in the clip, to which I can only add that Buffy is bringing melee weapons to a gunfight with a T. Since Buffy gets time to gather weapons the T will likely do the same which could include anything from shotguns, machine guns or even grenade launchers.
Majin Gojira wrote: Would you rather I say "We know they weigh enough to be negatively boyant for a human of similar size. We know they are constructed primarily of metal (what, I'm not venturing to guess), but are light enough in their construction to not break everyday objects found in the human's world by standing/walking/stitting on them."
TSCC indicates that T-888s and Cameron have some element of Coltan within their makeup which gives them heat resistance over the titanium alloy in the T-600. The heat resistance was required to combat energy weapons used by the resistance. Incidentally, it appears Terminator Salvation T-800s use Coltan in their design due to a fuck up mentioned on the Wiki.
Regardless, the only way to destroy a T-888 endo completely is by using thermite.

As for Cameron herself.
Weight: Cameron is much lighter than one might expect, as are other Terminators. Though it is shown that she is heavy enough to require the combined efforts of both Sarah and John to lift her into a chair. She also claims to be too heavy to swim, which is true for other Terminators.
That said, she is able to sit on a wood bunk bed with a fellow human girl without any ill effects and we have a T-888 able to cross a simple wooden plank over a pit that bent noticably under a teenage John Connor's weight.
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PREDATOR490 wrote: If the Terminator is going to go melee then Buffy will not simply get backhanded, she will either get grabbed and her neck snapped or slammed into the nearest object.
Slamming would prove largely ineffective. Neck snapping, moreso.

Then there's the other Terminator option of close range that Arnold displayed int he first movie. Buffy's more durable than the average street punk, though.

I need to make something clear. Thanks to an episode of Angel ("Somnambulist") back in Season 1, it really and truly established something (that other scenes have supported) that made analysis of Buffyverse abilities nigh-impossible.

In that episode, a vampire displayed Blurspeed against normal cops, but never in one on ones against Angel. The commentary about that episode brought out the fact that the blur was Kate's POV of the incident. The heavy implication is that the fights on the show are slowed down to one degree or another for the audience's convinience.

After reading that, I just threw my arms up in dismay/banged my head against the wall in frustration.

Quantifying the Buffyverse was rendered partly impossible.
Unless Buffy can catch bullets this is rather irrelevant since a T dosent use crossbows.
More than enough to dodge the slow fists of a Termie, and that's all I'd assert they're able to do.
Or goes off and upgrades IT'S arsenal by getting intel on her, family, friends etc. and the means to kill them all.
Or that.
This only happened once and logically should only be able to happen once since it depends entirely on Xander's unquantifiable knowledge.
She later grabbed one as a throwaway joke in Season 7. No. Really.

"Him" was originaly going to be an episode for the proposed Animated Seires of Buffy and by GOD does it show.
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Anything less than a direct hit by an armored piercing round or high explosive weapon would appear to be ineffective against Ts.
Righty than. Goes in line with the Depeleted Uranium Shotgun.
This might actually work. TSCC establishes that T-888s get reset when hit with enough energy. The reset takes 120 seconds so they have that long to either run or attempt to take the T out. Although Cameron can possibly reset quicker.
Thank you for explaining that. I had inquired earlier, but it seemed to have been glossed over.
The latter I assume is the axe Caleb was tugging on in the clip, to which I can only add that Buffy is bringing melee weapons to a gunfight
It's been well established already that Buffy has less than betting odds against a Termie with a Gun. We're only in Melee range to establish where B has the "advantage" (and still will likely lose at least 60% of the time).

Really, I'm just trying to stop the "Curbstomp Bodypunch lol" crap. That's all.

In the End, a more even Vs. is against Angel (vampires and bullets being what they are).

Though now I'm picturing Illyria and Cameron in a room together...just commenting on each other.

I need to write that sometime soon.
with a T. Since Buffy gets time to gather weapons the T will likely do the same which could include anything from shotguns, machine guns or even grenade launchers.
Scythe's not as often "Gather Weapons" post 7 as "On person 50% of the time at least", but true.

Then there's the Scoobies themselves.
TSCC indicates that T-888s and Cameron have some element of Coltan within their makeup which gives them heat resistance over the titanium alloy in the T-600. The heat resistance was required to combat energy weapons used by the resistance. Incidentally, it appears Terminator Salvation T-800s use Coltan in their design due to a fuck up mentioned on the Wiki.
Regardless, the only way to destroy a T-888 endo completely is by using thermite.

As for Cameron herself.
Weight: Cameron is much lighter than one might expect, as are other Terminators. Though it is shown that she is heavy enough to require the combined efforts of both Sarah and John to lift her into a chair. She also claims to be too heavy to swim, which is true for other Terminators.
That said, she is able to sit on a wood bunk bed with a fellow human girl without any ill effects and we have a T-888 able to cross a simple wooden plank over a pit that bent noticably under a teenage John Connor's weight.
Very interesting. So the slamming is less weight than overal structural integrity?
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Regardless, the only way to destroy a T-888 endo completely is by using thermite.
Looking at a clip that shows that footage and knowing what a therite reaction looks like reference youtube thermite video it is obvious that the reaction in T:scc ep Dungeons and Dragons is not thermite. They call it thermite and it is lit like a homemade thermite bomb would be but it is definitly a normal hydrocarbon that is burning. See especially they lack of extreme violence in the sparks of the reference video and how they follow a parabolic arc, because they are heavier than air. In the terminater episode all the sparks act like common wood sparks and are not violent and do rise against gravity.
Terminator reference video warning it is a music remix video, but the pertinent parts are in the first ~15 secs.

To be generous the damage could have been simple the phosphorous in the bomb. Phosphorous is high temperature but dosen't have the thermal mass to deal as much damage to a terminator. However it is apparently enough to eliminate a disabled terminator.

The other thing to consider is that thermite deals damage completely differently from a different explosive. thermite deals damage through heat transfer to the target while a high explosive damages through overpressure and causing shrapnel. The overpreasure is unlikely to harm the termie by any means other than sending it flying into another solid object, but the shrapnel has an even chance to pierce the less armored portions of the terminator.

Thus there is no reason to through out an explosive from the evidence on hand.
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And let's not forget the Pretzel-nator.
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Majin Gojira wrote:
PREDATOR490 wrote: If the Terminator is going to go melee then Buffy will not simply get backhanded, she will either get grabbed and her neck snapped or slammed into the nearest object.
Slamming would prove largely ineffective. Neck snapping, moreso.
Wait, what?
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Revy wrote:
Majin Gojira wrote:
PREDATOR490 wrote: If the Terminator is going to go melee then Buffy will not simply get backhanded, she will either get grabbed and her neck snapped or slammed into the nearest object.
Slamming would prove largely ineffective. Neck snapping, moreso.
Wait, what?
Sorry. That should be "Neck Snapping would be far more effective."

I blame bag connection rushing for that one.
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Scenario: Q decides to have a T 888 series Terminator and Buffy the Vampire Slayer fight to the death (or ceasing of all functional operations) for his amusement. Both are informed of what or who they're up against.

Location: Big, empty warehouse.

Weapons
: Several melee weapons scattered around (hammers, swords, iron bars, the works...)

How it plays:

Buffy runs circles around the T 888 as it tries to lock on her, and when she fails to elicit any witty Buffy-talk retort out of it, proceeds to pummel it. T 888 attempts a grab, only to have its arms bent the wrong way by Slayer strength, after a bit of tossing and turning. Buffy then proceeds to bludgeon the T 888 to electronic oblivion.
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