Twilight eclipse

[aerius]

Joe Rogan & friends explain Twilight and women. Skip to the 37 minute mark.

http://www.ustream.tv/flash/video/7685109

[Stark]

So you've gone through accusing me of being a pickup artist to maligning my taste in movies to saying the success of my relationship is irrelevant to my relationship skills?

Butthurt much? What pickup sites do I read again?

[Losonti Tokash]

why the fuck did you just embed a 2 hour video of some stupid assholes sitting in a studio that autoplays

[Spekio]

So you've gone through accusing me of being a pickup artist to maligning my taste in movies to saying the success of my relationship is irrelevant to my relationship skills?

Butthurt much? What pickup sites do I read again?

Saying you fuck girls on the first date doesn't count as "relationship skills". That's just you bragging, and shockingly,I don't give a fuck - nor believe.

[Stark]

Are you serious? I've been in a relationship for years. My pickup days are hopefully behind me. The fact it's easy to get laid yet you don't believe it is EXACTLY MY POINT.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

So you've gone through accusing me of being a pickup artist to maligning my taste in movies to saying the success of my relationship is irrelevant to my relationship skills?

Butthurt much? What pickup sites do I read again?

Remember that episode of Star Trek where Strak blew up all of the robots with his paradox? "I would never do anything she wants to do if I didn't want to do it." "I've seen Twilight."

Robot: "But...but...that would mean that you wanted to see Twilight, which is impossible. Or else you were completely unaware of what Twilight was when you saw it, which is also impossible. Or maybe you just lied and are a try-hard hypocrite..." *head explodes*

Now, we all know that you have a cool girlfriend (seriously, she seems like she'd be more fun to hang out with than you), so we can reasonably conclude that seeing Twilight was not some sort of spineless compromise...so why did you see it? *squints in suspicious German manner*



EDIT: FUCKING HELL, Aerius! What the fuck were you thinking with that fucking video? It's not bad enough that you've shorted all of our stocks, invested in the failure of society and run off with our pension funds, but now you have to shit up all of our threads, too?? Fuck!

EDIT 2: That's better. But still....Fuck!

[Stark]

Sorry, me seeing a movie with someone isn't evidence you need to do everything a girl says or you won't get sex.

It was a hilariously terrible movie and it cured my gf of twilight. Somehow this is relevant to not being spineless?

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Sorry, me seeing a movie with someone isn't evidence you need to do everything a girl says or you won't get sex.

I'm not supporting that position. I'm just curious why you did see Twilight. It didn't seem like something you'd do.

It was a hilariously terrible movie and it cured my gf of twilight. Somehow this is relevant to not being spineless?

So there is a cure, then?

The only part of the thread that entertains me is that you've seen Twilight and yet this whole argument started because you stated that any guy who sees Twilight to appease a girl is spineless. Obviously you didn't see Twilight to get laid. (Heck, from your post history and CMF's, I would have suspected you would want to see it more than she would.) I'm just curious why an adult man, who surely had some foreknowledge of the Twilight saga, as well as a strong sense of outrage at crappy movies, would willingly walk into the theater. For the lolz?

It is an enigma, you must admit.

I'm just glad I've never had to face this scenario.

[Stark]

No, Specks went mad because he said you should see twilight with a girl if you want sex. That's a pretty objectionable statement and clearly untrue.

He doesn't even get the 'always a choice' thing. He probably doesn't know one option is always to find another girl to try and get in the sack with.

In short, when someone wants to see a shit movie there are answers beyond 'yes' and 'no sex for me'. But what do I know, I'm both a pickup artist and happily settled.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

No, Specks went mad because he said you should see twilight with a girl if you want sex. That's a pretty objectionable statement and clearly untrue.

He doesn't even get the 'always a choice' thing. He probably doesn't know one option is always to find another girl to try and get in the sack with.

In short, when someone wants to see a shit movie there are answers beyond 'yes' and 'no sex for me'. But what do I know, I'm both a pickup artist and happily settled.

I did not find that meaning in his words. I was too busy looking for an answer to my question from the first page, I guess.

Well, do the werewolves get violent? Sigh, I guess I'll just have to rent Ginger Snaps or something.

[Majin Gojira]

The idealized lead of your typical dumb action movie usually leaves a trail of dead bodies and massive collateral damage in his wake,

Because "Property getting destroyed in the mist of wars fought to save the world from those with a malign agenda" really compares to "Emotional abuse in order to maintain relationships" on the scale of dushbaggery.

like I said this appears to be the exact same "disengage brain, enjoy the spectacle" type of fantasy escapist form of entertainment only it is targeting what a different demographic considers brainless escapism.

I'm not denying that it's escapist entertainment. It is. It's also morally reprehensible.

So yes, it is morally reprehensible and popular, but then again how many civvies you suppose died when Megatron blasted Optimus Prime into that office building with his arm cannon?

You really are looking at the world through rose tinted glasses? Of course people die in war and that's a bad thing. It's even portrayed as a bad thing! There's a distinct difference between something being "Cool" and being morally good.

Everyone agrees Darth Vader is a cool character--but he's also a BAD GUY and EVIL.

The part where Megatron spits "DISGUSTING" and finger flicks some guy into a wall like a bug? Everybody laughed at the casual murder.

Because he's a bad guy, he has a pass by the audience to do things like that, because he'll be punished for it later (in most stories of that variety at least--ones that make you think have them get away with it on occasion).

What Edward does to Bella is portrayed as a GOOD THING and that is the key difference.

In real life nobody would actually enjoy having Optimus and Megatron trash their home, just like nobody would enjoy being stalked by Edward; that's the whole point of it being escapist entertainment. It's awesome because you know there are'nt any real consequences.

Your confusing the disconnect made by the viewer of a film for what one can draw from a film in a literary analysis.

But the real difference is that you're comparing things that are implied in one genre to things we have to watch occur in another.

It's one thing for a movie to say a character was tortured off screen, and another for a movie to do extreme closeups of said torture and then have the tortured person say "I deserved it" with a smile on their face.

[Phantasee]

You spelled douchebag wrong.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Because "Property getting destroyed in the mist of wars fought to save the world from those with a malign agenda" really compares to "Emotional abuse in order to maintain relationships" on the scale of dushbaggery.

I'm not denying that it's escapist entertainment. It is. It's also morally reprehensible.

You really are looking at the world through rose tinted glasses? Of course people die in war and that's a bad thing. It's even portrayed as a bad thing! There's a distinct difference between something being "Cool" and being morally good.

Yes, but in Big Dumb Action movies it is always an afterthought, not really central to the plot and thematics of the movie. The real reason people want to see them is to have bad guys' asses kicked by the good guys and often in a very violent way. The Bad Guys are single-dimensional and essentially demonized evil, so you don't have to feel anything for them. Often they are without any kind of believable motives. The "malign agenda" is typically just "pure evil". I would say that such gross oversimplification of real human motives is morally reprehensible in a very sneaky and dangerous way, because it maintains and strengthens the age-old tradition of demonizing your enemy.

Also, like I said these movies often portray widespread destruction and then just as an afterthought condemn the collateral damage as bad in a very pretentious way. Furthermore, the bad guys usually don't have any civilians or if they do, they are typically not remembered later even as an afterthought. Either way it is morally dubious.

All in all i agree with aieeegrunt; I can't see any significant difference between either form of escapist entertainment. Both are morally dubious, but do not usually do any permanent harm if you do not take them seriously like most people don't.

[Zixinus]

Joe Rogan & friends explain Twilight and women. Skip to the 37 minute mark.

Not really, but I find it interesting how they point out how creepy it is for a 300 year old guy to find a 17 year old fascinating. I mean, my father considers a 17 years a kid already.

[Temujin]

Pattinson is also terrified of Twilight fans, since they'll run up to him after having scratched bleeding wounds into their necks and try to get him to drink from them.

You're kidding right? That's genuinely disturbing. I mean, I know that some fans sometime do some very disturbing and crazy shit, but holy fuck, they literary bleed themselves?

I thought I remember hearing something a while back about him wanting to quit acting once Twilight was over; not sure how true that was.

[Whiplash]

*sigh* Twilight is starting to have the Valentines Day effect on me. I don't hate because so many people like it (these people are easy to ignore), I hate because so many people bitch about it (not so easy to ignore). It wasn't made for you, ignore it. I haven't seen any of the movies or read any of the books, therefore I won't comment on them and act like an expert on what's wrong with it based on what others have said. If someone talks about it near you, fucking move or plug some headphones into your ear. If the commercial comes on if it bugs you that much, change the fucking channel. Goddamn.

And also, to the 'I'm only seeing it so my girlfriend will have sex with me' guy, seriously?

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Well, I would totally see it just for a nice werewolf scene, so I probably shouldn't judge.

I didn't have to see Twilight for his girlfriend to have sex with me.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Fort Sill

Ahahahahahahahah! You poor son of a bitch.

[Ritterin Sophia]

What are the Mormon elements anyways? I've not seen the films nor read the books, so all I know about the series is that the Vamps sparkle.

Edward believes in marriage before sex. There's also the older gentlemen fancy younger women and the extremely creepy Pedowolf.

The Quileute Tribe are shapeshifters, similar but apart from the Lupines of Eurasia according to the Volturi (the only real Vampire society and they claim everything as their jurisdiction), have this weird quirk where they 'imprint' (as they call it) to a single person which is akin to their one true love. It's described as an obsession, which given the shit Bella is through is telling of it's magnitude. Spoiler

So anyhow one of the 'packmates' (as they call each other) imprints on a fucking two year old and Jacob Black (the main 'werewolf') imprints on Bella and Edward's Half-Vampire daughter (that can read minds and communicate through telepathy and ages from like new born to the equivalent of nine over a period of weeks).

That's all I can really remember from reading it, I was told by my girlfriend at the time that I couldn't criticize the books unless I read them, so I did.

I watched the movie tonight as well, it was better than the other two in a couple ways. We finally get to see some fighting despite how lame and brief, I always enjoy the Dakota Fanning playing a sadist (IE Jane), and there were a couple funny moments.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

*sigh* Twilight is starting to have the Valentines Day effect on me. I don't hate because so many people like it (these people are easy to ignore), I hate because so many people bitch about people bitching about it (not so easy to ignore). They aren't talking to you unless you brought the subject up, ignore it. I haven't seen any of the movies or read any of the books, therefore I won't comment on them and act like an expert on what's wrong with it based on what others have said. If someone bitches about it near you, fucking move or plug some headphones into your ear. If the commercial comes on if it bugs you that much, change the fucking channel. Goddamn.

And also, to the 'I'm only seeing it so my girlfriend will have sex with me' guy, seriously?

Fixed it for you. The irony of you voluntarily coming into a thread clearly labeled about something you claim to not care about, to bitch about *having* to listen to people bitching about it despite an actual discussion going on, is delicious.

[adam_grif]

bah appearntly enough people saw it. 30 million in 3 hours.

Not only did "Eclipse" have the largest domestic release ever when it opened in 4,408 theaters on June 30, but it's also banked more than $30 million at the box office between midnight and 3 a.m. alone

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I laugh every time I think about that time Eldfart said that Twilight was "just a fad" with "no cultural impact"

[Modax]

The novels are terrible. Don't think about them anymore, Zix. That's all you need to know.

A couple months ago I did a book exchange with one of my female friends. She read Excession. I read Twilight.

I hadn't (and still haven't) seen any of the movies, so I didn't really know what to expect. Honestly I didn't think it was that bad; actually it was pretty entertaining. As for her, she's a Culture fan now. (She later borrowed The Player of Games and The State of the Art from me).

[thejester]

If you actually came up with an example of a woman saying that she'd withhold sex because her boyfriend didn't watch Twilight with her, that would make you sound less like a bunch of pissy cockheads.

in a similar vein I had a mate who wouldn't have sex with his girlfriend until she played counterstrike with him

true story

[Stark]

I laugh every time I think about that time Eldfart said that Twilight was "just a fad" with "no cultural impact"

While writing off Twilight is pretty funny, it is INDEED just a fad, and as books will unlikely have any real impact. It's not reshaping the genre like Anne Rice did, that's for sure.

[adam_grif]

I laugh every time I think about that time Eldfart said that Twilight was "just a fad" with "no cultural impact"

While writing off Twilight is pretty funny, it is INDEED just a fad, and as books will unlikely have any real impact. It's not reshaping the genre like Anne Rice did, that's for sure.

It's not going to have an impact on writing, (excepting terrible 14 year old girl fan-fiction) but it's one of those inexplicable cultural phenomena that people will be reflecting on in years to come. Probably in the form of "Oh god, did people really like that shit?" In the context of the original thread, he was proposing that "cultural impact" is some kind of objective measure of the quality of a work. He asked me to present something that was pretty universally panned and/or not considered to be a "great work" that had a cultural impact despite this. The rest is history

Having gone on for 3+ years now (starting from when the movies came out, ignoring when the books were popular before this), with at least 1 more to go, it's too long lived to really call it a "just a fad", especially since it's growing in popularity if anything. Post final movie, it will die down without the media hypestorm behind it.