Foot Race, Kenshin vs Jedi & could Kenshin block blaster

[Ghost Rider]

I see the Blaster is never going to be answered since like before said gun is never mentioned thus one side is presuming supersonic speeds for the bullet.

As for the foot race...Kenshin has a greater acceleration...does this imply constant speed?

As well as claiming did Mike fudge his calcs...take it up with him and if he shreds you...your fight.

BTW

Kenshin Accceleration is around 303g or 2957m/s^2(using Virtual Dub)
A Jedi's using the same parameter is 187g or 1837m/s^2

The formula for Kenshin is as such 2(1.61)*(.033)^2
For the Jedi: 2(1)*(.033)^2

Mike's calculation used .04 because of DVD vs Virtual Dub...thus getting 128g.

So we either end this...or I HoS it because it is quickly becoming Yoda vs Hiko part 2.

[lgot]

Aoshi also states after receiving the Ougi, that the stress on the body is many times normal for a move like the Amakakuru ryu no hirameki

And therefore, Someone not physically shape could not perform it.

And Hiko commented, that the second part of the move will only come out if the person executing the move is in good enough condition to pull it off correctly. Not that the person would die if he was injured.

Indeed he did not say "die" but he say that the person must be in physicall shape. You tryied to imply that Kenshin was one month out of action due his use of Amakakuru not becuase he was beaten down by Shishio. Actually after using he still stands and if was not by Shishion sneaky attack that killed his girl and had a sword in his lungs (or watever organ you may pick) he fall down.

That was more of an issue of stamina I believe. Unless you think you can run from Kyoto to Osaka at those speeds without tiring yourself out.

actually, Kenshin may even consider the option, since he is willing to suffer to that. Even if you like to use the anime, There is episode that Kenshin to charge after a train he uses a horse, which means he would go faster that way (The stamina inssue here is irrelevant, they are near). But the whole point is that Seta-Chariot thing.

Also considering that they went as a group, and Sano and Saitou being much slower than Kenshin.

Saitou is not actually much slower, but that is nitpick. Sano could carry on running after then if the difference was that big, but again, that is not the main inssue.

Also consider that Soujirou searched the entire east half of Japan in about 4 days to gather all of the junponganta. And a few of them like Anji where in remote areas in the forest were one would have to look long and hard to find them. So that shows that Soujirou was faster than a mere carriage. Never mind the calcs confirm that as well.

Of course I would not. You know why, because Only we see the meeting with Seta and We have no idea of how Seta traveled. Nowhere it says he run to meet them (which would be stupidy), that he does not know where they are (Only Anji was the kind of lost inside a wood) , and Anji was located in the way to Kyoto (after all, just a shortcut, because Sano could do it without rush as well).

Unless you expect 3 men to run a marathon before fighting Shishio, Soujirou and a few other hencemen is a good idea.

on the oposite of what they did ? Kenshin is exactly the kind of dude that would go and fight, after all when He arrived to fight Shishio he was nowhere in his best shape.

Lord of the Face:

The relevance of the part you quoted is about the upper-limit of the speed that Sojiro needed to overcome to catch up with a horse-pulled carriage

Exactly, Catching a carriage was a amazing feat that Kenshin did not consider to do himself.
When he starts to see Seta fighting fast he was amazing "that is how he could catch up the carriage and kill Okubo". Until then, Kenshin was aware of Seta speed being similar to his. If with that information Kenshin still does not know how the carriage of Okubo was catched in middle running is because Kenshin did not consider his speed enough to the process. That is a limitation that Kenshin finds about his own speed.

By the way, Kenshin style is basead on initial acceleration, so it is very possible that does not mean constant speed.

[FOG3]

I know proper acceleration Connor. It's just I used 1072 km/h and converted to get 297.778 m/s back instead of taking Mach 1 on the ground in m/s.

Okay, someone showed me the thread this 50 G thing came from. So using Wong's highest acceleration of 1250 m/s^2 which assumed a meter over the .04 seconds given the Jedi reached a end velocity of 50 m/s. Which translates into 112 mi/h. Of course even Wong, admtioned the acceleration should probably be half that because the lightsaber was at an angle. Which gives us a top speed of a Jedi of 56 mi/h because there's no evidence they accelerated beyond that point and that was for a very quick and short dash.

[ShinjiGohan]

That didn't actually answer the question that was quoted, but nevermind.

Aside from the fact that another person already gave you as estimation of the speed. I though I'd just fill in more info as to the situation.

The relevance of the part you quoted is about the upper-limit of the speed that Sojiro needed to overcome to catch up with a horse-pulled carriage.

Yes, he needs at least that. That doesn't mean that its his upper limit. Especially when its plainly shown that he has gone faster.

And therefore, Someone not physically shape could not perform it.

No, they can perform it, they might have a shattered arm afterwards, but they can perform it.

Indeed he did not say "die" but he say that the person must be in physicall shape. You tryied to imply that Kenshin was one month out of action due his use of Amakakuru not becuase he was beaten down by Shishio. Actually after using he still stands and if was not by Shishion sneaky attack that killed his girl and had a sword in his lungs (or watever organ you may pick) he fall down.

No, Hiko said that you must not have any negative feeling in order to perform it. And then he goes on that you must be in good enough condition to perform it correctly, so as to go into the 2nd part of the move if the 1st part fails.

And Kenshin after doing the move was not standing. He was kneeing on 1 knee, gasping for air. His arm was trembling and he needed to use his sword like a cane, so not to tip over. Then he has to pull hilmself up using the sword as a cane (or some other stable object to get someelse up when they don't have the power to do so by themselfs). Unless you think that forcing a 140+ pound man into 30 feet into the air with only 1 arm wouldn't cause any stress.

actually, Kenshin may even consider the option, since he is willing to suffer to that. Even if you like to use the anime, There is episode that Kenshin to charge after a train he uses a horse, which means he would go faster that way (The stamina inssue here is irrelevant, they are near). But the whole point is that Seta-Chariot thing.

Aside from the obvious fact that this particalar episode is about as cannon as EU. That wasn't even created by the original author, but some scraps that the people that were creating the anime decided to put to gether to waste time.

Saitou is not actually much slower, but that is nitpick. Sano could carry on running after then if the difference was that big, but again, that is not the main inssue.

Actually compared to Kenshin he is much slower. And while Sano can and has sprinted those type of distances, he was rather tired from doing so. Tell me how effectient would it be for 1 person to run 218 miles per hour, another at 50, and another at 25(arbitary numbers for the case of this point). For them to all move as a group. Kenshin would have to stop every few seconds to allow Sano and Saitou to catch up. Then start again.

Then after going 30 miles like that, you're fatigued, tired, and possibly injured. Now you have to swim 100 yards or so just to get to the ship that they're on. Now you're up against several hencemen, a gatling gun, Soujirou and Shishio. Both of which are in their prime fighting condition. Tell me, knowing Saitou for planning strageties, would he even consider putting the three of them at such a disadvantage? Any decent stragetiest would not have done that. They would have saved up their energy for the fight on hand.


Note that Sano (hardly a stragetist) wanted to run. And while he easily could have done it (he did run about 200km in about 1 day).

on the oposite of what they did ? Kenshin is exactly the kind of dude that would go and fight, after all when He arrived to fight Shishio he was nowhere in his best shape.

Lord of the Face:

If that were true, then Kenshin wouldn't have settled to let Shishio sail away when Shishio and his group left the Rengoku. Nor would he have left Shishio leave when Shishio left that small town where he let Kenshin face Soujirou for the first time.

Of course I would not. You know why, because Only we see the meeting with Seta and We have no idea of how Seta traveled. Nowhere it says he run to meet them (which would be stupidy), that he does not know where they are (Only Anji was the kind of lost inside a wood) , and Anji was located in the way to Kyoto (after all, just a shortcut, because Sano could do it without rush as well).

Where did you see Soujirou ever working around other people? Where did you see a horse or carriage for him to board? He virtually always traveled by himself. When Soujirou found Anji, was there a carriage or horse behind him? No. And I'd wager that he ran. Even if he didn't run, you assume that it'd be "smarter" overall to take a carriage. Correct? Then why do you limit Kenshins speed where he rides a carriage? Also considering as far as Kenshin knew, the entire group of the Jupponganta would have been there (minus the 2 that Kenshin already defeated, Chou and Senkaku).

So in Kenshins thinking, he's got to travel 30 miles before midnight. If he runs, he'll have to stop and go for the entire trip, when he gets there he'd likely have to face Shishio and 8 members of the Jupponganta. While being fatigued, along with 2 other fatigued men.

Beyond that, Anji was NOT in some forest directly outside of Tokyo, nor Kyoto. Shimosuwa was about 179km NW of Tokyo, in the Nagano prefecture (Kyoto is south west of Tokyo mind you).

Exactly, Catching a carriage was a amazing feat that Kenshin did not consider to do himself.
When he starts to see Seta fighting fast he was amazing "that is how he could catch up the carriage and kill Okubo". Until then, Kenshin was aware of Seta speed being similar to his. If with that information Kenshin still does not know how the carriage of Okubo was catched in middle running is because Kenshin did not consider his speed enough to the process. That is a limitation that Kenshin finds about his own speed.

Where does it say that Kenshin couldn't have done it himself? He says "that was how that man was able to catch up to a moving carriage". that refering to how Soujirou moved. Kenshin may have thought of a different way of it being done.

[Lord of the Farce]

Exactly, Catching a carriage was a amazing feat that Kenshin did not consider to do himself.
When he starts to see Seta fighting fast he was amazing "that is how he could catch up the carriage and kill Okubo". Until then, Kenshin was aware of Seta speed being similar to his. If with that information Kenshin still does not know how the carriage of Okubo was catched in middle running is because Kenshin did not consider his speed enough to the process. That is a limitation that Kenshin finds about his own speed.

Where does it say that Kenshin couldn't have done it himself? He says "that was how that man was able to catch up to a moving carriage". that refering to how Soujirou moved. Kenshin may have thought of a different way of it being done.

Context: "That was how", not "That was the way". Obviously, being able to overtake a moving carriage was not considered an insignifigant feat even by Kenshin (and <18 m/s being the highest speed that the carriage could have been travelling).

[lgot]

No, Hiko said that you must not have any negative feeling in order to perform it.

Hiko does say that also to Kaoru.

And Kenshin after doing the move was not standing. He was kneeing on 1 knee, gasping for air. His arm was trembling and he needed to use his sword like a cane, so not to tip over. Then he has to pull hilmself up using the sword as a cane (or some other stable object to get someelse up when they don't have the power to do so by themselfs). Unless you think that forcing a 140+ pound man into 30 feet into the air with only 1 arm wouldn't cause any stress.

So, Only after Shishio stroke him he fall down. You try to imply that was only due the stress of the technique that Kenshin was out of action. No, He was out of action due that long period because the amount of damage he suffered.

Now you have to swim 100 yards or so just to get to the ship that they're on. Now you're up against several hencemen, a gatling gun, Soujirou and Shishio. Both of which are in their prime fighting condition.

because they actually fought Seta and Shishio in prefect conditions, eh ?

If that were true, then Kenshin wouldn't have settled to let Shishio sail away when Shishio and his group left the Rengoku. Nor would he have left Shishio leave when Shishio left that small town where he let Kenshin face Soujirou for the first time.

Actually that proves that Kenshin only concern is not be in his prime to fight, since he and Saitou are in their prime, they only had Shishio and Seta to take care and even so he allowed them to leave, unlike inside the mountain, when out of his prime, tired, barelly standing and without the back up of Saitou he refused to leave, uh.
He let them sail always to preserve the lifes of the followers of Shishio, that would not left the sinking ships.
and in the village, Kenshin knew that 1 - He could not defeat Seta or Shishio. He wanted to fight. 2 - Seta fought with him, defeated him and got a "draw" due the sword breaking. Both him and Saitou are 100% well but both they did not fight.

Actually compared to Kenshin he is much slower.

Sano may be slower but Saitou ? Where you have any evidence. Everytime they fought side by side or against each other, Saitou was able to answer Kenshin attacks as fast as kenshin. Gattousu is also a piercing technique basead on the speed he attacks. There is no evidence that Kenshin is Much faster than Saitou.

Where did you see Soujirou ever working around other people? Where did you see a horse or carriage for him to board?

You do not. That I SAID. And you consider he running around. Even if he have to travel together with Aumi and Shishio and both used horses.

Beyond that, Anji was NOT in some forest directly outside of Tokyo, nor Kyoto. Shimosuwa was about 179km NW of Tokyo, in the Nagano prefecture (Kyoto is south west of Tokyo mind you)

Of course, I said he was in forest in the way to kyoto, not close to kyoto. Anji shows Sano that just close there was the road to Kyoto. So, it was not like Anji was lost inside the amazon forest.

Where does it say that Kenshin couldn't have done it himself? He says "that was how that man was able to catch up to a moving carriage". that refering to how Soujirou moved. Kenshin may have thought of a different way of it being done.

Eh ? "how that man" . That means, until seeing that speed Kenshin did not KNOW HOW. And Kenshin was aware that Seta was faster as him. He had that information. That means that Kenshin's does not believe that with his onw speed he could do that.