Pirates of the Caribbean

Dizzy D · Post by **Dizzy D** » 2003-08-12 04:41pm

LadyTevar wrote:
Turner's father was one of the pirates who'd originally stolen the gold, and to break the curse, they needed the blood of William (Bill) Turner. The necklace Elizabeth was wearing was the last piece of stolen gold, sent to young Will in England, to prevent Barbados from every breaking the curse. Will's father had been tied to a cannon and thrown overboard when Barbados found out.
"Course, that was b'fore we knew we needed 'is blood. Kinda like irony there, ain't it."

Here's the thing that I was wondering: If Bill Turner was tied to a cannon and thrown overboard, yet was a crew member and suffered the same curse... did he die, or was he just trapped down in the deep until Jack and Will broke the curse?

I bet on the second thing. I was kinda expecting during the movie to see the Turner senior turning up in the end fight, but I guess they tied him pretty well to the cannon.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-08-12 04:50pm

IIRC, they chained him to a cannonball and fired him over the side, which may or may not have ripped his body apart. Regardless, even if he did survive that, breaking the curse would have meant drowning him. Unless he did manage to escape and is off in the Bahamas somewhere.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-08-12 05:38pm

Robert Treder wrote:I rather enjoyed it, though I wonder

(Here be Spoilers, arrrh!)

why the pirates were afraid of Ms. Swan dropping the coin into the water on the occasion of her first parlayance, seeing as how they can walk around on the bottom of the ocean. It shouldn't have been too difficult, I don't imagine, for them to have found it in the event that she did drop it.

How deep would the water there be? I think they were well out to sea. If you put someone over the side to find the coin, they've got to locate it (possibly in pitch darkness, if it's deep enough), then get back to the ship somehow. It would, at the very least, be a huge pain in the ass to try to find the thing again if she dropped it.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-08-12 05:39pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:IIRC, they chained him to a cannonball and fired him over the side, which may or may not have ripped his body apart. Regardless, even if he did survive that, breaking the curse would have meant drowning him. Unless he did manage to escape and is off in the Bahamas somewhere.

Yeah.. big difference between a cannon and a cannonball

Still, it would be very annoying to be stuck on the bottom of the ocean, unable to die, for ten years. Thing of all the sea critters that are down there, feeding on you. Especially since it seems he was fired deep enough Moonlight wouldn't reach him to skeletonize him. Flesh ever regenerating... and then, finally, when release comes, die when your eardrums and eyes burst from the pressure and your lungs fill with water.
*Shudder*

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-08-13 04:05am

So they actually needed the blood of ALL the cursed people? That would make sense, each one giving back what he stole plus a bit of his blood. But I didn't hear that anywhere in the movie, just that Turner's blood was important, not the other pirates'.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-08-13 06:24am

I just saw it last night, and I loved it!

I had no idea Orlanod Bloom was such a poor actor until I saw him being outacted by Johnny Depp at every turn.

One thing you're all missing though - The curse means they are skeletons all the time - but you can't see it out of the moonlight:

"The moonlight shows us for what we really are"

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-08-13 07:30am

That wouldn't seem to be the case with what Will did to the pirate with the bombs.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-08-13 07:46am

SylasGaunt wrote:That wouldn't seem to be the case with what Will did to the pirate with the bombs.

Why not? Bombs blow up skeletons too

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-13 10:32am

innerbrat wrote: Why not? Bombs blow up skeletons too

As demonstrated in Army of Darkness.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-08-13 11:31am

So they actually needed the blood of ALL the cursed people? That would make sense, each one giving back what he stole plus a bit of his blood. But I didn't hear that anywhere in the movie, just that Turner's blood was important, not the other pirates'.

Rush did mention something about everyone having 'paid the blood price' during the pep talk near the treasure, and Depp did slice his hand before tossing the coin back into the chest.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-08-13 04:25pm

innerbrat wrote:One thing you're all missing though - The curse means they are skeletons all the time - but you can't see it out of the moonlight:

"The moonlight shows us for what we really are"

But that is not demonstrated in the movie. When they are not in the moonlight, they can be stabbed, they even bleed a little, and they can't get bombs out of their ribcages that have been placed in skeleton-mode.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-08-13 05:51pm

innerbrat wrote:
SylasGaunt wrote:That wouldn't seem to be the case with what Will did to the pirate with the bombs.
Why not? Bombs blow up skeletons too

Thing is though he couldn't get it out because he wasn't in the moonlight and his flesh was clearly blocking his hands.