Taking down a dragon

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-08-04 04:15am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Net's not forget the Undead Stellar Dragons also called Void, or Singularity Dragons....

Toughest thing I ever had to kill... including a tarrasque.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-08-04 04:37am

Midgar dragons....

erm tails and backs often mistaken for mountain ranges.

Ears and body crevices hide monster lairs.

Alignment: N
Job: wsleeping and sharing dreams with ereyone on a planet. Only awakens when home lair is in mortal peril...

Breath: Spits Adamantine&Daimonds

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-08-04 04:37am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Toughest thing I ever had to kill... including a tarrasque.

Are we talking about the same dragon? A stellar dragon is up to
1000km long and is able to modify spells to do pretty much
anything.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-08-04 04:46am

Yes, but we were refering to the Stellar Dracoliches, also known as void dragons. Cabable of modifying spells, and has a Cone of anihilation breat weapon...

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-08-04 04:51am

Majin Gojira wrote:Exactly, They wouldn't/Couldn't match the big G in a physical contest. They'd have to rely on spells and magic to defeat him.

Flight is not that much of an advantage when Godzilla can shoot jets and Apache helicopters out of the sky with ease.

Once again, I say: do not underestimate dragons.

Prismatic Sphere
Dominate Monster
Imprisonment
Wish
Time Stop
Temporal Stasis

And other 9th-level spells. Those listed above would be particularly effective in this scenario.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-08-04 05:02am

Some ways to take down a dragon:

Get another Dragon to do it

Ouch, that's got to hurt.

Team Up with a Dragon

Use Powerful Magic

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-08-04 05:08am

Arduin

Shadowbite II

Dragon can cast spells, and perform melee attacks from MILES away.

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-08-04 07:24am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Yes, but we were refering to the Stellar Dracoliches, also known as void dragons. Cabable of modifying spells, and has a Cone of anihilation breat weapon...

Ouch I don't want to get close to one of em without the supress magic
psi power.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-04 01:57pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I'm surprised no one's mentioned the GAU-8 yet.

Better to use a ship equipped with CADS-N-1 mounts, TWIN 30mm gatling and two quad missile packs on a radar equipped mount for point defence. It can also carry my nuclear Talos.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-08-04 01:59pm

So basically, the general suggestion is nuke it til it glows and pray you don't have a glow-in-the-dark dragon out to kill you?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-08-04 02:29pm

Singular Quartet wrote:So basically, the general suggestion is nuke it til it glows and pray you don't have a glow-in-the-dark dragon out to kill you?

And pray you didn't just hit an illusion it threw up because it knew you were going to try and turn it's general location into a parking lot.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-08-04 02:50pm

Thunderfire wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Toughest thing I ever had to kill... including a tarrasque.
Are we talking about the same dragon? A stellar dragon is up to
1000km long and is able to modify spells to do pretty much
anything.

We hunted it down in Spelljammer, and had a small hunting fleet with magic shielding to take it down. Fortunately, some of the ships were destroyed, so my cut of the bounty was 2 million GP.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-08-04 04:35pm

SirNitram wrote:
Singular Quartet wrote:So basically, the general suggestion is nuke it til it glows and pray you don't have a glow-in-the-dark dragon out to kill you?
And pray you didn't just hit an illusion it threw up because it knew you were going to try and turn it's general location into a parking lot.

Well, yeah, that to.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-08-05 01:43am

beware of Dragons elected President and that surf the net((See Shadowrun for details))

Post by **Edi** » 2003-08-05 06:52am

Ah, we're talking AD&D/D&D dragons here...

Well, if we just stick to the most common dragons (basic chromatics and metallics) and ignore all the weird ones and extras that came a dime a dozen later, they are all (Great Wyrms included) rather ninnies compared to their Dragon Quest equivalents, especially the black and gold ones, never mind a black dragon-wight...

It'd be fun to see a matchup between a DQ Great Wyrm and an AD&D one, say black DQ vs. AD&D red. The DQ dragon would be about 40 feet long tops, but they are physically incredibly tough and magically even tougher. Knowing the generic true name of everything at rank 20 and a shitload of individual true names as well, in addition to all counterspells aren't anything to sneeze at, and then there's its own magic, which it can keep flinging around roughly until doomsday...

In DQ, the ways to take down a dragon are very few, and anybody who tries will generally end up as lunch, breakfast, dinner or whatever snack happens to be appropriate to the time of the day.

Edi

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-08-05 06:55am

Typhonis 1 wrote:beware of Dragons elected President and that surf the net((See Shadowrun for details))

Considering the way the world has ended up in Shadowrun, I would vote for a Dragon for President that promised to do some Trustbusting and restore order!

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-08-05 06:43pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Typhonis 1 wrote:beware of Dragons elected President and that surf the net((See Shadowrun for details))
Considering the way the world has ended up in Shadowrun, I would vote for a Dragon for President that promised to do some Trustbusting and restore order!

Of course, the dragon elected will have an ulterior motive, and my committ suicide on Inaugration Night in order to acheive his goals to save the world from blood-magic-fueled demons from the Far Astral.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-05 07:17pm

Majin Gojira wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:
Majin Gojira wrote:They top 100m tall? 150m long (taol standing including feet length) total body length of 220m? (Tell me if they are, don't know)

How do they handle radiation? does an immunity to fire grant immunity to radiation?

Can the immunity stop 2kt/second of energy being blasted at him?

Godzilla (Heisie) has lifted and thrown several hundred thousand tons (165,000 tons to be exact). Can they compare?

I'll give the magic and the Inteligence edges, Godzilla can't compare those, but Brute force? Nay I say!
According to the Great Red Wyrm entry in the 3rd Ed. Monster Manual, its going to be about 80ft long, but don't forget that a good deal of the dragon is going to be vertical. Speaking of vertical, dragons can fly with ease and simply pelt ol' Godzilla with high-level spells, as a Great Red Wyrm is also a 19th level Sorceror.
Exactly, They wouldn't/Couldn't match the big G in a physical contest. They'd have to rely on spells and magic to defeat him.

Flight is not that much of an advantage when Godzilla can shoot jets and Apache helicopters out of the sky with ease.

Never know, with protective spells, and a good mix of melee spells, the dragon could put up a pretty good fight. And you can never go wrong with a "trap the soul" spell.

Post by **Edi** » 2003-08-06 06:49am

Wait a minute! A red great wyrm is only a measly 80 feet long now? Did they get downscaled in 3rd Edition? Because an honest to goodness 2nd Edition great wyrm red was, tail included, close to 350 feet long, which would be around 100 meters! (Yes, it's unrealistically massive even for a fantasy world and the new figure is more manageable, but still...)

Edi

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-08-06 08:27pm

Edi wrote:Wait a minute! A red great wyrm is only a measly 80 feet long now? Did they get downscaled in 3rd Edition? Because an honest to goodness 2nd Edition great wyrm red was, tail included, close to 350 feet long, which would be around 100 meters! (Yes, it's unrealistically massive even for a fantasy world and the new figure is more manageable, but still...)

Edi

Now.. where did I put that Council of Wyrms poster.... It shows the scale for all 15 dragons in the set (Metallic, Chromatic, Gem) at the age of Young Adult, as well as a Silver hatchling, a 6ft tall human, and a Great Wyrm Silver.

The Great Wyrm takes up the bottom of the poster and has claws bigger than the human shown. Council of Wyrms had huge dragons, tho.. A newly hatched Gold could have a body up to 20ft long, and a 15ft tail! To compare, my Copper hatchling I played was only 6 ft from nose to tail-tip. Then again, baby Golds were modeled more like an Oriental dragon than the traditional Western dragon.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-08-06 10:20pm

How to kill a Dragon
required:
Magic items capable of summoning lots of monsters to help, as well as a few golems, and some undead (or failing that, animated furniture)
About a dozen giants that owe you a favor or that are under magical compulsion

1- Send animated furniture/undead in first to set off all the dragons traps and magical defenses.
2- Send in Golems to finish off the traps
3- Send in a wave of summoned creatures. Hydra's and creatures immune to the dragons breath weapon are a good idea
4- Send in waves of summoned Celestial beings and Elementals to beat on the dragon. Multiple casting of Elemental Swarm are only overkill if the Dragon is Age 9 or less.
5- If the Dragon gets out of it's lair, have the Giants start chucking boulders and spears at it until they take out a wing, then start tossing at iif it survives crashing to the ground

or if you have someone that can cast Wingbind
Once the dragon gets out of it's lair, have an shapechanged/shifted/altered character pretending to be a dragon of a type immune to the dragons breath weapon challenge to an airborne duel.
When the real dragon goes after your volunteer fake dragon, have the fake climb high, then someone hit the real dragon with Wingbind.
Dragon can't fly, crashes to the ground

If this doesn't work, make sure you have rings of teleportation to a safe house on the other side of the contient ready

Or just ram it with a spelljammer ship at full thrust

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-08-07 12:05pm

Killing dragons is easy, you just have to strike first and fast. Any modern military weaponry can easily slice and dice them, and its really hard even for dragosn to cast spell while being bombarded. They are vastly slower than modern military planes, with less firepower. Since they can't see the pilot of these planes, they cannot at all use many spells on them, and the ranges on most spells are much too limited. All you really need in addition is a Wizard to take down any Contingincies and throw a Dimensional Anchor. Make sure the Wizard has some Quickened Teleports memorized, or a wand, and he's A-O-K.
If the dragon can use spells, so can we.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-08-07 08:46pm

The best way to know if modern weapons can beat a d20 dragon is to drop a Adult or older one into a D20 modern world and let the dragon and some tanks fight it out

(by d20 modern, I'm including all d20 settings in modern times, not just the Wotc rules. I.e Spycraft, Stargate SG-1)

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-08-08 03:00am

I saw a variation of Sea Skimmer's idea put into practice during a Rifts game: a half-dozen elder dragons died in one round when they got lit up by the anti-air defenses. Long-range missiles are a beautiful thing.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-08-08 09:24am

You listen to Uncle! Magic must defeat Magic!