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‘Kicking Henry Cavill out, annihilating SnyderVerse wasn’t enough?’: WB Selling its $1B Worth Music Library To Stay Afloat in Fight Against Disney
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WB Discovery was formed as a result of merging Warnermedia by AT&T and Discovery, Inc. last year on April 8, 2022. In an effort to prevent the complete failure of the multinational multimedia company, this new merge was seen as a life savior. The Chief Executive Officer of WB Discovery David Zaslav has now decided to trim off the loan from their budget by selling the historic music library worth $1 billion as per reports.

WB Continues to Scrap Shows and Actors

A few months after the merger, Zaslav took several steps including the firing of several executives, a merger with British telecom BT company group, and following its lawsuit against shareholders who argued that the company is investing a lot on streaming platforms without securing a safe channel of return. It is not a hidden fact that the past few years have not been good for WB Discovery altogether. WB has scrapped many projects including Scoob!: Holiday Haunt and Batgirl which is the most expensive canceled cinematic project. The removal of fan-favorite Henry Cavill as Superman and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman continues to be the stepping stone toward the doom of WB.

The Warner Bros movie studio created a music division back in the 1950s. In 2004 the parent company sold the music division but retained the copyrights of music. Now, this decision to sell music tracks from decades-old collections has outraged the public, resulting in harsh criticism against the current board for not handling the company’s legacy properly.

WB’s Decision to Sell their Music Tracks Invites Public Wrath

Zaslav who is planning to reduce the company’s financial burden by selling the tracks in the hot market of music copyrights can make up to $1 billion as per reports. The Chief Financial Officer of WB Discovery, Gunnar Wiedenfels has his own say in justifying the company’s action.
“We shaved off a lot of the excess last year, and I think that’s something that everyone else in the industry is going to go through. We’re coming from an irrational time of overspending with very limited focus on return on investment. We are just consistently and continuously looking at how we’re running the business. What makes sense? What doesn’t make sense?”
Though the entire process is in the initial stages and no confirmations have been made so far about the access and no, of music tracks that will be made available for potential buyers. WB Discovery was hard hit last year as its shares dropped by more than half. But the beginning of the new year shows some promise as the shares rise by more than a third. Many claim that the move by Zaslav is important to save WB Discover. Fans already have a long list of reasons to be upset with the company, and this news looks like a new addition to that list. The future of WB is surely unclear but its new board seems to be trying its best to save the firm.
Major asset sales like this never look good. But, if a company is in bad enough shape to need that much money quickly, it would make more sense to do them before removing shows to dodge residual payments.

Also, on december 21, the podcast Baseless Speculation put out an episode discussing the current state of the DC cinematic universe. It doesn't sound like it can be salvaged, but I'll admit I listen to that podcast because they can be entertainingly stupid, not because I expect any thoughtful insight out of them.
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As stupid as a lot of decisions are putting in Gunn and Safran and them doing a full clean slate reboot of the DCEU feels like a sensible move to me.

It sucks for Cavill especially as he was jerked around by the interrim crew before Gunn/safran arrived but it's no unreasonable in and of itself.
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The only way that could have kept Henry Cavil as Superman would to have ignored all the movie in the DCEU post Man of Steel, and start again with that as the starting point. (You could also keep the first Wonder Woman movie)

Problem with that is.....
Man of Steel is approaching 10 years old.
Henry Cavil is now 39. You might be able to get 1 - 2 more Superman movies out of him. (When the decision was made, his other commitments probably made more then that difficult at best)
Amy Adams is 48 now. Same issue. The other supporting leads are in their late 50/early 60s.

Combined with the other problems that have occurred (including the rather public ones with Ezra Miller), the best thing to do is a reboot, and let the upcoming Flash movie serve as that. Yeah, it sucks for the actors, but that's Hollywood.
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It's a shame that they're throwing so much out to just restart it all with Gunn of all people.

No more Batfleck, no more gods making a massive 11/9 event in comic New York, no more of what made the whole thing really stand apart from the MCU.
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Gandalf wrote: 2023-01-15 09:47pm It's a shame that they're throwing so much out to just restart it all with Gunn of all people.

No more Batfleck, no more gods making a massive 11/9 event in comic New York, no more of what made the whole thing really stand apart from the MCU.
To be fair, the MCU beat them 9 ways from Sunday by being better movies overall.
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Do you mean better as in more crowd pleasing products, or actually better made?
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An interesting distinction, in and of itself.

I certainly find the MCU more entertaining, I wouldn't hazard a guess if it was "actually better made" but the former beats out the latter to me.

eta: Until we've seen what Gunn and Safran actually come up with I don't know if it'll be better than the Synder-verse, hard to believe it could be worse though.
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Synder was overly dreary. Shazam was goofy and colorful yet still well made and mature
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Crazedwraith wrote: 2023-01-16 02:56pm An interesting distinction, in and of itself.

I certainly find the MCU more entertaining, I wouldn't hazard a guess if it was "actually better made" but the former beats out the latter to me.
I find that they sit in different places. MCU films are easy to watch fare. They know their lane and stay in it, so you know what to expect going in. Quips, punching, and a somewhat happy ending.

The DC films have some missteps, but try to do more with the premise of super people.
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And in many cases it was done very badly.
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HBO Boss Dodges J.K. Rowling Anti-Trans Controversy After Announcing ‘Harry Potter’ Series: ‘Our Priority Is What’s on Screen’
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The announcement of a new “Harry Potter” TV series served as the climax of Warner Bros. Discovery’s presentation to press and investors on April 12 to tout the combination of HBO Max and Discovery+ into a new service dubbed simply Max.

During a Q&A with press after the presentation, however, executives were less forthcoming about the involvement of the franchise’s creator, J.K. Rowling. The author, who will be an executive producer on the series, has become an increasingly controversial figure for repeatedly sharing views that trans women are not women, and trans men are not men.

Casey Bloys, chairman and CEO of HBO and Max content, declined to comment on Rowling’s views when asked how they may affect the ability to find talent for the series.

“No, I don’t think this is the forum,” Bloys said. “That’s a very online conversation, very nuanced and complicated and not something we’re going to get into.”

“Our priority is what’s on the screen,” Bloys continued. “Obviously, the ‘Harry Potter’ story is incredibly affirmative and positive and about love and self-acceptance. That’s our priority — what’s on screen.”

In terms of the TV series, Bloys stated simply: “[Rowling] will be involved. She’s an executive producer on the show. Her insights are going to be helpful on that.”

He continued: “The TV show is new and we’re excited about that, but, remember, we’ve been in the ‘Potter’ business for 20 years. This is not a new decision for us, we’re very comfortable being in the ‘Potter’ business.”

News of a show based on the megahit book series first leaked on April 3, but details have now been confirmed.

“Max’s commitment to preserving the integrity of my books is important to me,” the author said in a press release announcing the show, which noted that the series will be “a faithful adaptation” of Rowling’s seven “Harry Potter” novels. “And I’m looking forward to being part of this new adaptation which will allow for a degree of depth and detail only afforded by a long form television series.”

Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav said the “Potter” series will not preclude any other projects set in the wider Wizarding World franchise.

“We’re free to do anything we want,” Zaslav said. “In some areas, we’d need to do it with J.K., in other areas we have full ability to move forward. So this is a full deployment on the Max platform of ‘Harry Potter.’”

Later in the Q&A, Bloys addressed the potential budget for the “Harry Potter” series, comparing the scale for the show to that of “Game of Thrones” and “House of the Dragon.” In short, the budget will be “whatever it takes to make a quality show,” Bloys said.

Max will produce the series in association with Brontë Film and TV and Warner Bros. Television. Executive producers are Rowling, Neil Blair and Ruth Kenley-Letts, with David Heyman, who produced the “Harry Potter” film series and the “Fantastic Beasts” movies, in talks to return.

The next task is locking in the show’s writing staff and Bloys confirmed those discussions are in the early stages.

“We have been trying to be very close to the vest,” he said, nodding to the fact that news of the series leaked on April 3. “But we haven’t gone out to agencies yet. We have our own internal process where we’ve been thinking about people, but we have not wanted to go out into the world saying, ‘Who do you have?’ But now that the news is out, we will start.”
“That’s a very online conversation, very nuanced and complicated and not something we’re going to get into.”
Please stop thinking about it because we don't like it when thinking gets in the way of us making money.

Question for those of you that have read the Harry Potter novels: If this is a faithful adaptation of the novels, what kind of reception do you think this series will get ?
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Since all the 'J.K. Rowling is anti-LGBTQ+' screaming didn't appear to have much impact on the sales of Hogwarts Legacy, and that game is apparently super-inclusive....

(then again, realistically, any fantasy magical setting should be inclusive. Gender Switching and Race switching are a stable of magical fantasy. Zeus changed his species alot, and Loki changed his gender and species (sometimes both at once) as he felt like it.)

A faithful adaption of the Harry Potter novels, with nothing left out, could potentially be one of the highest rating TV shows during it's run, and for a long time afterwards.

People might complain about stuff like racial diversity, but just make the student population racial-demographic make up match 1991 Great Britain. People might complain about lack of gender identity politics in it, but just mention a gender-switching potion, and that handles that. (Polyjuice exists after all...)
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Solauren wrote: 2023-04-13 01:16pm Since all the 'J.K. Rowling is anti-LGBTQ+' screaming didn't appear to have much impact on the sales of Hogwarts Legacy, and that game is apparently super-inclusive....
Ah... the game is stuffed full of anti-Semitism from what I hear?
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Crazedwraith wrote: 2023-04-13 02:14pm
Solauren wrote: 2023-04-13 01:16pm Since all the 'J.K. Rowling is anti-LGBTQ+' screaming didn't appear to have much impact on the sales of Hogwarts Legacy, and that game is apparently super-inclusive....
Ah... the game is stuffed full of anti-Semitism from what I hear?
Also apparently they altered the transgender character's voice to sound deeper/more masculine.
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Crazedwraith wrote: 2023-04-13 02:14pm
Solauren wrote: 2023-04-13 01:16pm Since all the 'J.K. Rowling is anti-LGBTQ+' screaming didn't appear to have much impact on the sales of Hogwarts Legacy, and that game is apparently super-inclusive....
Ah... the game is stuffed full of anti-Semitism from what I hear?
Is that connected to the Goblin bankers being personified anti-Semitic tropes? Because that's been around since the original movies, or even the original books.
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Apparently the lead game dev is also an outspoken anti-semite, which explains why he would pick up on the tropes Rowling used and emphasize the dog whistles for his own purposes. He basically found common ground with Rowling in that regard.

Harry Potter Is Dead To Me. What HBO doesn't understand is that this isn't about what is or is not in the text, what does or does not offend. This is about denying Rowling money to spend on bigoted bullshit. That it denies HBO and Warner's executives money in the process is not my problem.
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Formless wrote: 2023-04-13 04:02pm Apparently the lead game dev is also an outspoken anti-semite, which explains why he would pick up on the tropes Rowling used and emphasize the dog whistles for his own purposes. He basically found common ground with Rowling in that regard.
I have seen nothing from a reputable source to support any 'racist/anti-LGBQT+' claims against it.

Hell, this is from Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts_Legacy
Critical response

According to review aggregator Metacritic, Hogwarts Legacy received "generally favourable" reviews, based on 21 reviews for PC, 94 reviews for the PlayStation 5 and 20 reviews for the Xbox Series X.[105][106][107] The game was nominated for "Most Anticipated Game" at the Game Awards 2022 and for "Most Wanted Game" at the Golden Joystick Awards 2022.[123][124]

The environments and visuals were lauded by critics, with the majority of praise for the recreation of Hogwarts castle. GamesRadar+ complimented the world as being faithful to the existing Wizarding World lore,[113] and Destructoid appreciated the overall presentation and positive synergy with the universe.[108] Other reviewers echoed these points,[108][125][126][127][128] with NME writing that the world was probably "the best representation for fans".[129] Further praise was directed at the castle's level of detail.[130][131][132] Push Square highlighted the level of atmosphere and visual presentation, finding it made aimless activities like walking around Hogwarts enjoyable.[133] The surrounding areas set in the Scottish Highlands received similar plaudits, though some thought that other areas were not as engaging.[127][134][135]

The gameplay elements received mixed reactions. PC Gamer praised Legacy's "simple but harmonious systems", such as its take on wizard duels and building a personalised living space in the Room of Requirement.[17] Eurogamer Germany lauded the attention to detail in motivating the player to explore the world. They highlighted the "atmospheric" music and were impressed by the design of some of the game's quests and puzzles.[122] Destructoid complimented the range of activities and unlockables, but found the game "unremarkable" overall and contributing to the experience being "wrapped in a flawed open world shell".[136] NME similarly wrote that the game design felt dated, attributing this to its long development cycle.[129] The Guardian criticised the experience as "competent but unspectacular". While praising the presentation as "enchanting", they felt that progression made the game feel more derivative of other open-world examples.[137] GameRevolution described Legacy as fun but forgettable Harry Potter fan service, writing that features such as attending classes and creating potions lacked sufficient depth.[112] However, The combat was generally praised. PCGamesN called it the game's strongest aspect,[138] and The A.V. Club deemed it as the most interesting feature, calling more challenging fights "legitimately thrilling".[139] GameSpot described the combat and spells as giving "a great sense of power" for the player, though criticised the spell-selecting controls and the "uninteresting" enemy design;[140] Game Informer similarly lamented the enemies for lacking in variety.[141]

The game's narrative divided critics. Some praised the developer's handling of the narrative to tell an original story while in a setting that felt overly familiar.[128][142] Windows Central and Screen Rant deemed the story "engaging",[127][131] while the writing of the more detailed side-quests was positively highlighted by Video Games Chronicle as "sit[ting] comfortably with the best of the series".[143] Hardcore Gamer praised the story as "gripping", but felt it faltered towards the end.[130] PCMag in particular criticised the decision to have the protagonist act out a "Chosen One" role.[144] Other reviewers found the narrative it to be lacklustre, and at times illogical.[125][145]

The characters were mostly well-received. Windows Central described them as interesting, noting that they added depth to the world.[131] CNET complimented them for being well-written, and positively remarked upon their ethnic diversity,[146] which was echoed by PCMag.[144] IGN praised the companions for their characterization and roles.[125] The cast performances received similar compliments;[146][141] PCMag wrote that their quality made conversations feel natural.[144] On the other hand,Video Games Chronicle considered certain NPCs outside of Hogwarts to be lifeless.[143] Hardcore Gamer wrote the protagonist's rivals, Ranrok and Rookwood, failed as compelling antagonists, and were inferior compared to other established Harry Potter villains.[130]

Reviewers were critical of Legacy's technical aspects. PC Gamer experienced brief but frequent pauses at doors, as well as frame rate drops during uneventful moments.[17] Eurogamer Germany noted shading issues, and "stiff" facial expressions on character models,[122] and CNET thought that their eye movements occasionally felt unnatural.[146] Many noted that the game's performance was affected by a number of technical issues, including slow loading of textures, frame rate inconsistencies, visual glitches, clipping objects and inconsistent lighting.[125][131][144][147] GameStar reported performance problems overall while reviewing the PC version, especially in areas with many NPCs, but noticed the game's first patch alleviated some of these issues.[132]

As a result of the controversy surrounding Rowling, some publications chose not to cover or review Hogwarts Legacy,[85][92] and the internet forum ResetEra banned all discussion of it.[90][148] In its own review, Wired gave the game the lowest possible score, stating that it was mediocre and harmful.[149] The review, which was noted as politically-focused,[150] drew criticism from conservatives.[151][152] In response to the controversy, the studio added that the development focused on creating a rich and diverse world that would represent all groups of people.[39] According to PinkNews, transgender character Sirona Ryan's inclusion was dismissed by some activists as insincere, while unnamed sources involved in development allegedly stated that the character added nothing substantial and was solely created to avert criticism.[153]
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Wikipedia has an explicit policy of staying neutral, dude. If you don't see the dog whistles, that's probably because you aren't as familiar with what antisemetic tropes and conspiracy theories in the modern day look like. There are other articles you can go to that have no obligation to stay neutral, and therefore can actually explain what the problem is.

As for the transphobia, it doesn't matter what is or isn't in the game. J.K. Rowling makes money off all Harry Potter merch and media. She then uses that money to fund projects that harm trans people. Fuck that. It does not matter who else worked on it. Its Rowling's IP.
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Perhaps I missed something, but what does any of this have to do with the canceled Batgirl movie? :?
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This stopped being about the cancelled Batgirl movie at about page 2.
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Well yeah, but it was at least vaguely on the topic of superhero movies until it died in January, and then suddenly in April it's the Harry Potter show in what probably should have been a new post. :razz:
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I guess it's all under the umbrella of hilarious decisions by WB?
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Rogue 9 wrote: 2023-04-13 06:08pm Perhaps I missed something, but what does any of this have to do with the canceled Batgirl movie? :?
Because that was the start of all this behaviour from HBO/WB. All done after Zaslav took over as CEO.
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Formless wrote: 2023-04-13 04:42pm
As for the transphobia, it doesn't matter what is or isn't in the game. J.K. Rowling makes money off all Harry Potter merch and media. She then uses that money to fund projects that harm trans people. Fuck that. It does not matter who else worked on it. Its Rowling's IP.
She's also made it clear that she considers continued sales success to be validating, and that by extension encourages other transphobes and discourages transgender people and others who care about them. Which is probably at least as big of a deal because it's not like Rowling doesn't have enough money to do or fund basically anything she wants.
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Formless wrote: 2023-04-13 04:42pm As for the transphobia, it doesn't matter what is or isn't in the game. J.K. Rowling makes money off all Harry Potter merch and media. She then uses that money to fund projects that harm trans people. Fuck that. It does not matter who else worked on it. Its Rowling's IP.
That is a solid stance to take. Though what I've heard from people for felt they had an obligation to look past Rowling to see what was actually in the game says it's got a lot of other issues with the moral stances it takes. Like poaching being bad, so you must become a poacher to stop the other poachers.

As for this series, Rowling is executive producer. Anyone above her is refusing to talk about her transphobia, which tells me they agree with her. That's going to boost the proportion of bigots working on it, so their views will make it on screen.
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