Song Jat Shariff VS The entire U.S. Military (Ultraviolet + Real Life)

[Archinist]

A ROB puts a beacon on Jat's body so the U.S. can see where she is at all times. They also get all prepped by the ROB and all 5 million people + plenty of vehicles and weapons are readied to kill Song Jat Shariff. Who wins the battle and why?

They fight in a massive city made of wood and paper buildings and civilians no one cares about.

EDIT: Movie is Ultraviolet.

[Crazedwraith]

Just case, like me, you had no idea what he was talking about Song Jat Shariff is the main character of Ultraviolet

Who has far as I remember has zero answer to anyone in a vehicle.

[Archinist]

Just case, like me, you had no idea what he was talking about Song Jat Shariff is the main character of Ultraviolet

Who has far as I remember has zero answer to anyone in a vehicle.

What do you mean? If she can kill 200 or so of the government's finest armed troops within two minutes of hand-to-hand fighting, I'm sure she could take someone in a jeep. Or a AFV. Or even a artillery thingy a dozen miles away.

[bilateralrope]

Just case, like me, you had no idea what he was talking about Song Jat Shariff is the main character of Ultraviolet

Who has far as I remember has zero answer to anyone in a vehicle.

What do you mean? If she can kill 200 or so of the government's finest armed troops within two minutes of hand-to-hand fighting, I'm sure she could take someone in a jeep. Or a AFV. Or even a artillery thingy a dozen miles away.

So no answer to planes and bombs then.

[Crazedwraith]

Just case, like me, you had no idea what he was talking about Song Jat Shariff is the main character of Ultraviolet

Who has far as I remember has zero answer to anyone in a vehicle.

What do you mean? If she can kill 200 or so of the government's finest armed troops within two minutes of hand-to-hand fighting, I'm sure she could take someone in a jeep. Or a AFV. Or even a artillery thingy a dozen miles away.

... How? She has pistols and submachine guns and a sword. How is that supposed to get through tank armour? Or something a dozen miles ago?

How's it supposed to help against attack helicopters or drones that can send missile to this beacon's location?

[Archinist]

Just case, like me, you had no idea what he was talking about Song Jat Shariff is the main character of Ultraviolet

Who has far as I remember has zero answer to anyone in a vehicle.

What do you mean? If she can kill 200 or so of the government's finest armed troops within two minutes of hand-to-hand fighting, I'm sure she could take someone in a jeep. Or a AFV. Or even a artillery thingy a dozen miles away.

... How? She has pistols and submachine guns and a sword. How is that supposed to get through tank armour? Or something a dozen miles ago?

How's it supposed to help against attack helicopters or drones that can send missile to this beacon's location?

Okay, the ROB made the beacon so that you cannot remotely launch missiles at it from more than 10 miles away.

Anyway, she could just dodge the missiles, shells and bullets and wait for the right moment and deflect all the missiles back to her opponents. Or if that's a no-limit fallacy because she never did that in the movie (dubious, never watched it) then she could just dodge everything and attack the command bases and kill all the generals. If she can dodge bullets from guns fired less than a meter away, she could slow missiles and shells fired 100+ meters away.

I'm assuming she could zoom into the tank's atomic makeup and scan the weakest point, and then slash at that point with her swords and SMGs, until the tank explodes, and probably do a similar thing with aircraft as well.

[bilateralrope]

Okay, the ROB made the beacon so that you cannot remotely launch missiles at it from more than 10 miles away.

Define missile for the purpose of this restriction.

Then we will club you in the head with the obvious things you've missed.

Or if that's a no-limit fallacy because she never did that in the movie (dubious, never watched it)

New plan. How about you get familiar with things before you bring them into your scenarios ?
That means watching the source material if it's a movie/tv series.

[Archinist]

Okay, the ROB made the beacon so that you cannot remotely launch missiles at it from more than 10 miles away.

Define missile for the purpose of this restriction.

Then we will club you in the head with the obvious things you've missed.

Or if that's a no-limit fallacy because she never did that in the movie (dubious, never watched it)

New plan. How about you get familiar with things before you bring them into your scenarios ?
That means watching the source material if it's a movie/tv series.

I watched the scene from the library, the roof and another bit. I can't afford to buy an entire movie just for the purpose of posting it on the internet.

Any weapon from 10 miles away is banned. Also, nukes and weapons capable of killing more than 100 people in shoulder-to-shoulder formation in a single blast are also banned.

[bilateralrope]

Okay, the ROB made the beacon so that you cannot remotely launch missiles at it from more than 10 miles away.

Define missile for the purpose of this restriction.

Then we will club you in the head with the obvious things you've missed.

Or if that's a no-limit fallacy because she never did that in the movie (dubious, never watched it)

New plan. How about you get familiar with things before you bring them into your scenarios ?
That means watching the source material if it's a movie/tv series.

I watched the scene from the library, the roof and another bit. I can't afford to buy an entire movie just for the purpose of posting it on the internet.

Then don't post about it.

Any weapon from 10 miles away is banned. Also, nukes and weapons capable of killing more than 100 people in shoulder-to-shoulder formation in a single blast are also banned.

So we are looking at small, targeted, bombs. Dropped from well within the 10 mile limit.

[Jub]

The cleanest and easiest way to deal with her is to send a sniper. Set them up far enough away that she can't see the muzzle flash and then send a super sonic round into her. There's now way her super reflexes can save her from what she doesn't know is coming and in this case the sound of the shot won't reach her until after the round has landed.

[Archinist]

Define missile for the purpose of this restriction.

Then we will club you in the head with the obvious things you've missed.


New plan. How about you get familiar with things before you bring them into your scenarios ?
That means watching the source material if it's a movie/tv series.

I watched the scene from the library, the roof and another bit. I can't afford to buy an entire movie just for the purpose of posting it on the internet.

Then don't post about it.

Any weapon from 10 miles away is banned. Also, nukes and weapons capable of killing more than 100 people in shoulder-to-shoulder formation in a single blast are also banned.

So we are looking at small, targeted, bombs. Dropped from well within the 10 mile limit.

There are plenty of people who post vs. debates on fictional literature that they haven't read or watched completely before. But let's the the entire military to a small unit of 5,000 Marines, no vehicles or aircraft except exposed motorbikes and buggies. They also fight in a forest now.

Snipers? Ah...okay, let's say that the ROB also makes her aware of anyone that is within 5 kilometers of her position. It's cheating a bit, but I didn't really think the scenario out properly. I just saw the clip of the library battle and thought that this would be a good idea.

[bilateralrope]

I didn't really think the scenario out properly.

That's the big problem with all of your scenarios.

[Archinist]

I didn't really think the scenario out properly.

That's the big problem with all of your scenarios.

Well it looked like a good idea to begin with. It's still better than the worst idea.

[Jub]

There are plenty of people who post vs. debates on fictional literature that they haven't read or watched completely before.

Do you see them doing it here, on this forum, or do you assume that whatever flies over at whichever places haven't chased a window licker like you away works here as well?

But let's the the entire military

Lets the the entire military do what what? If wre're going to ask questions like this I'm going to need an answer to this:

[W]hich, do you most, can't, the least?

to a small unit of 5,000 Marines, no vehicles or aircraft except exposed motorbikes and buggies. They also fight in a forest now.

Why would any military go after her with that sort of force? No military would ever willingly go after somebody like this without being armed with the right tools for the job. Especially not when they've been briefed about what exactly this person can do.

Aside from that, which forest is this fight located in? Not all forests are made equal.

Snipers? Ah...okay, let's say that the ROB also makes her aware of anyone that is within 5 kilometers of her position. It's cheating a bit, but I didn't really think the scenario out properly. I just saw the clip of the library battle and thought that this would be a good idea.

So now you're giving her extra powers because you're too stupid to plan out a proper scenario? Fuck off.

Well it looked like a good idea to begin with. It's still a much better think than the dinosaur swat team one.

No, it looked like garbage from the start. Given that you've had to keep adding restrictions to one side while adding magic to the other, it was a shit scenario from the word go.

[Archinist]

There are plenty of people who post vs. debates on fictional literature that they haven't read or watched completely before.

Do you see them doing it here, on this forum, or do you assume that whatever flies over at whichever places haven't chased a window licker like you away works here as well?

But let's the the entire military

Lets the the entire military do what what? If wre're going to ask questions like this I'm going to need an answer to this:

[W]hich, do you most, can't, the least?

to a small unit of 5,000 Marines, no vehicles or aircraft except exposed motorbikes and buggies. They also fight in a forest now.

Why would any military go after her with that sort of force? No military would ever willingly go after somebody like this without being armed with the right tools for the job. Especially not when they've been briefed about what exactly this person can do.

Aside from that, which forest is this fight located in? Not all forests are made equal.

Snipers? Ah...okay, let's say that the ROB also makes her aware of anyone that is within 5 kilometers of her position. It's cheating a bit, but I didn't really think the scenario out properly. I just saw the clip of the library battle and thought that this would be a good idea.

So now you're giving her extra powers because you're too stupid to plan out a proper scenario? Fuck off.

Well it looked like a good idea to begin with. It's still a much better think than the dinosaur swat team one.

No, it looked like garbage from the start. Given that you've had to keep adding restrictions to one side while adding magic to the other, it was a shit scenario from the word go.

Sorry. Let's say that the forest is very dense, and leaves cover every 1 meter of air and ground, making snipers impossible. Also, there are toxic snakes in the trees that kill in a single hit, but only in the trees. The military are also not aware of her power, and to be honest, the guards in Ultraviolet were probably less competent, the way they were running at Jat instead of shooting her from a distance away. Also take away Jat's power to see everyone within 5 miles of course.

Also, let's give the military 4 MH-6 helicopters to scout out the forest a little bit. The ground is mostly visible from the air.

[Jub]

Sorry. Let's say that the forest is very dense, and leaves cover every 1 meter of air and ground, making snipers impossible.

That doesn't make sniping impossible, not by any stretch. The Vietcong used snipers pretty effectively in the dense jungles of Vietnam. In fact, it mainly means that the snipers can now get closer to their target without being seen.

Also, there are toxic snakes in the trees that kill in a single hit, but only in the trees.

Do these 'snakes' also happen to be NotDinosaurs in disguise? Also, define one hit? Is this one bite? If so, how often do these snakes fail to inject venom? Do these snakes even see humans as prey or are these purely defensive bites? How many snakes are there in this forest and what do they usually prey upon? Are these snakes a known hazard? How fast does the poison act? Does anybody have an antidote? Does Jat know about the snakes?

These are all things you have to think about before adding something like snakes to this scenario.

The military are also not aware of her power,

Why not, in your opening post they were briefed about her by ROB?

and to be honest, the guards in Ultraviolet were probably less competent, the way they were running at Jat instead of shooting her from a distance away.

You mean characters in movies don't act like they would in real life? Color me fucking shocked...

Also take away Jat's power to see everyone within 5 miles of course.

Why did you even bother with it in the first place?

[Q99]

There was a part of the film where six people had their guns pointed at her at point-blank.

They kindly waited several seconds for her to act before trying to fire.

Suffice to say, the mook factor of UV is through the *roof*. Like I have never seen anyone so mooky.

There was also a scene vs higher level people that she beat- purely by getting them to shoot each other, because they all circled her directly opposite to each other so when she dodged they'd hit each other.

And yea, she doesn't have much answer to just the area she's in being blown up.

[Archinist]

[quote="Archinist".

That doesn't make sniping impossible, not by any stretch. The Vietcong used snipers pretty effectively in the dense jungles of Vietnam. In fact, it mainly means that the snipers can now get closer to their target without being seen.

How does that even work? If there are thick jungle leaves blocking every inch of air, how can the snipers possibly see the target unless they're literally less than a foot away from them?

Also, there are toxic snakes in the trees that kill in a single hit, but only in the trees.

Do these 'snakes' also happen to be NotDinosaurs in disguise? Also, define one hit? Is this one bite? If so, how often do these snakes fail to inject venom? Do these snakes even see humans as prey or are these purely defensive bites? How many snakes are there in this forest and what do they usually prey upon? Are these snakes a known hazard? How fast does the poison act? Does anybody have an antidote? Does Jat know about the snakes?

No, they act like real snakes, and inject poison very regularly, though if every single person in the world was magically bitten by one of these snakes and then the snake was deleted, there would be a small chance that the human race wouldn't instantly go extinct.

They bite defensively, because the humans are not supposed to be perched on the trees, and there is no antidote. They can also kill in 5-10 minutes. The U.S. have a vague idea that the forest is full of horrible parasitic worms, deadly snakes, and that basically every single thing is trying to kill you, but not aware of every single species.

Jat is slightly more knowledgeable of the forest than the U.S. , but still not good. However, the subtle snakes are only in the trees, and while there are toxic snakes on the surface, they are more obvious and can be seen from further away more clearly.

These are all things you have to think about before adding something like snakes to this scenario.

The military are also not aware of her power,

Why not, in your opening post they were briefed about her by ROB?

Oh dear. I forgot about that bit. Okay, the military have a vague idea that Jat is a quite powerful person, and they think (whether true or not) that Jat is more than a match or 3 marines on their own in a straight-up fight.

and to be honest, the guards in Ultraviolet were probably less competent, the way they were running at Jat instead of shooting her from a distance away.

Also take away Jat's power to see everyone within 5 miles of course.

Why did you even bother with it in the first place?

Um, I thought it was a good idea and not too overpowered.

[Jub]

How does that even work? If there are thick jungle leaves blocking every inch of air, how can the snipers possibly see the target unless they're literally less than a foot away from them?

That's not how forests grow retard, even dense forests offer sightlines. Regardless, things likethermal scopes exist and can see through dense vegetation. Leaves don't do much to stop supersonic rounds, but they're great at hiding snipers from their victims.

No, they act like real snakes, and inject poison very regularly, though if every single person in the world was magically bitten by one of these snakes and then the snake was deleted, there would be a small chance that the human race wouldn't instantly go extinct.

They bite defensively, because the humans are not supposed to be perched on the trees, and there is no antidote. They can also kill in 5-10 minutes. The U.S. have a vague idea that the forest is full of horrible parasitic worms, deadly snakes, and that basically every single thing is trying to kill you, but not aware of every single species.

Jat is slightly more knowledgeable of the forest than the U.S. , but still not good. However, the subtle snakes are only in the trees, and while there are toxic snakes on the surface, they are more obvious and can be seen from further away more clearly.

Then they wouldn't go in. They let Jat stumble around in there until she's bitten and dies. End of scenario.

Oh dear. I forgot about that bit. Okay, the military have a vague idea that Jat is a quite powerful person, and they think (whether true or not) that Jat is more than a match or 3 marines on their own in a straight-up fight.

You forgot about something you posted less than two hours ago? Do you have some form of mental impairment?

Um, I thought it was a good idea and not too overpowered.

You really are the dumbest thing on these message boards...

[Archinist]

How does that even work? If there are thick jungle leaves blocking every inch of air, how can the snipers possibly see the target unless they're literally less than a foot away from them?

That's not how forests grow retard, even dense forests offer sightlines. Regardless, things likethermal scopes exist and can see through dense vegetation. Leaves don't do much to stop supersonic rounds, but they're great at hiding snipers from their victims.

No, they act like real snakes, and inject poison very regularly, though if every single person in the world was magically bitten by one of these snakes and then the snake was deleted, there would be a small chance that the human race wouldn't instantly go extinct.

They bite defensively, because the humans are not supposed to be perched on the trees, and there is no antidote. They can also kill in 5-10 minutes. The U.S. have a vague idea that the forest is full of horrible parasitic worms, deadly snakes, and that basically every single thing is trying to kill you, but not aware of every single species.

Jat is slightly more knowledgeable of the forest than the U.S. , but still not good. However, the subtle snakes are only in the trees, and while there are toxic snakes on the surface, they are more obvious and can be seen from further away more clearly.

Then they wouldn't go in. They let Jat stumble around in there until she's bitten and dies. End of scenario.

Oh dear. I forgot about that bit. Okay, the military have a vague idea that Jat is a quite powerful person, and they think (whether true or not) that Jat is more than a match or 3 marines on their own in a straight-up fight.

You forgot about something you posted less than two hours ago? Do you have some form of mental impairment?

Um, I thought it was a good idea and not too overpowered.

You really are the dumbest thing on these message boards...

Well, there is no reason to be so harsh, I was just posting what I thought what be a decent thread.

They would have to go in, because letting her escape would be unthinkable. Imagine what would happen if she went into a well-crowded place. She could literally just let rip on her SMGs and watch as the rounds chewed through hundreds of people, while running around stabbing more people with her swords. It would be a bloodbath.

No, but I don't remember every single thing I post when I post it. And plus I'm probably a bit tired right now anyway.

[Jub]

Well, there is no reason to be so harsh, I was just posting what I thought what be a decent thread.

"Get your fill of sci-fi, science, and mockery of stupid people."

You're stupid and thus are fair game for any insults the board chooses to heap upon you. Don't like it, leave.

They would have to go in, because letting her escape would be unthinkable. Imagine what would happen if she went into a well-crowded place. She could literally just let rip on her SMGs and watch as the rounds chewed through hundreds of people, while running around stabbing more people with her swords. It would be a bloodbath.

If it's so important that they stop her why don't they send in a proper military force to deal with her? Why not simply set a perimeter around the forest and kill her when she tries to get out? Why even add in the weird restrictions when the scenario you want to make is what level of force would be required for a modern military to take out Song Jat Shariff?

Your threads all start off bad and end up worse as you try to 'fix' them. This seems to be because you don't understand how basic things in life work, things that any high school educated person should know. If you want answers to questions why not just as a question instead of wrapping things up in layers of total bullshit? Plus, why do your threads all involve sick fantasies of police and military members dying in droves to something your sick mind has concocted.

No, but I don't remember every single thing I post when I post it. And plus I'm probably a bit tired right now anyway.

Maybe you should go back and read the thread again then before posting if you know that things don't stay in your brain for more than 2 hours. Then again, that would require you to be smarter than a parrot and thus far you've not shown yourself to be capable of this...

[Napoleon the Clown]

She's in a dense forest, you say?

The military does what it did in Vietnam and drops something akin to a Daisycutter, which would certainly kill the hell out of her. Or firebombs the forest. "We want this lady dead and she's hiding in the forest. Why bother dealing with guerilla warfare when there aren't any innocents to worry about?"

Unless you decide to change the rules to "have to be within 100 feet of her" in which case, I congratulate you on shifting the goal posts so far in the first page.

[Batman]

Daisy Cutter is out because earlier in this thread he arbitrary took away essentially every weapon a sensible military would use, declared that she couldn't be attacked from more than 10 miles away just because, and magically granted her the ability to sense everybody in a 5 mile radius. Is all of this extremely arbitrary and abysmally stupid? This is an Archinist scenario. Do you even have to ask?

[Napoleon the Clown]

Hm, so he did... Okay, I congratulate him on shifting the goal posts to such an amazing extent so quickly. It does not surprise me that he is unaware of the fact that venomous snakes usually do not envenomate. And that he doesn't even know the proper terminology. Also, why don't the snakes bite her? Or is she just too BADAZZZ?

Well, M134 minigun is quite vehicle mountable. Just wait for her to get hungry and come out somewhere, then spray 6000 rounds at her.

Actually, why the hell are they actively chasing her in this scenario? Just kill her if she gets close to anything they care about.

[Batman]

For the same reason essentially 100% of the US armed forces personell, training and equipment are gone and she gained abilities never displayed in the movie-because Archinist says so.