Flash (when not like an idiot) vs Yoda (ditto)

ShinjiGohan · Post by **ShinjiGohan** » 2003-06-18 03:09am

Ok, the Flash should be well be godly if it wasn't for the fact that he acts like an idiot nearly 24/7. And actually decided to do more than charge in and punch.

to keep it fair, Flash is only allowed to go as fast as Yoda can. But he can still use his other speed tricks.

Who wins?

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-18 04:23am

Limiting the Flash to Yoda's speed? Why even bother using the Flash, then?

Anyway... despite how fast the Flash can move, he still stays in the present. If Yoda is in full concentration and knows what to expect, he can use his ability to cloud the Flash's mind to distract him from the fact that he just ran, at Super-Speed, through Yoda's lightsaber.

If the Flash has the advantage of surprise... well... this is where the argument "Why are you taking away 99% of the Flash's power?" comes in.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-06-18 05:05am

I've got a dumb question? Why do people always say that precog powers will allow a Jedi to always win? I mean, logically, if the enemy is beyond the Jedis ability to fight, wouldn't the Jedis precog show them being defeated?

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-06-18 05:06am

And no, that wasn't directed at you, SPOOFE, just in general.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-06-18 05:12am

Gil Hamilton wrote:I've got a dumb question? Why do people always say that precog powers will allow a Jedi to always win? I mean, logically, if the enemy is beyond the Jedis ability to fight, wouldn't the Jedis precog show them being defeated?

Well, it really helps them in this case.

The Jedi know Flash will charge at him and punch him before Flash moves his foot, and when he does, wham, Flash gets a mouthful of lightsaber.

But then, Flash has light speed reaction.... right?

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-06-18 05:22am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Well, it really helps them in this case.

The Jedi know Flash will charge at him and punch him before Flash moves his foot, and when he does, wham, Flash gets a mouthful of lightsaber.

But then, Flash has light speed reaction.... right?

Yeah, but appearantly the thread maker specifically stated that the Flash was limited to how fast Yoda could move, which is 99.999999% slower than the Flash is capable of.

Parallax · Post by **Parallax** » 2003-06-18 05:37am

If Wally still keeps his other abilities then he needn't charge in at all - he can steal any objects speed for instance. Or he can vibrate so he's intangible and run through any given object causing it to explode.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-06-18 05:50am

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Well, it really helps them in this case.

The Jedi know Flash will charge at him and punch him before Flash moves his foot, and when he does, wham, Flash gets a mouthful of lightsaber.

But then, Flash has light speed reaction.... right?
Yeah, but appearantly the thread maker specifically stated that the Flash was limited to how fast Yoda could move, which is 99.999999% slower than the Flash is capable of.

Hmph, that sucks....

Which Flash are we talking about? The dumb funny one from the Justice League cartoon show?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-18 02:33pm

Well, under normal circumstances the Flash would win, no contest. Precog would be usless if, even if you know the attack is coming, you still can't act quickly enough to avoid it. With the Flash neutered as he is here, then, well, this whole thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-06-18 02:51pm

Flash is way to damn fast for Yoda, sure Yoda's got precog but it's not good enough precog to save Yoda from getting thrown into a wall at about 50% the speed of light. Flash can add shitloads of momentum to objects, if Yoda moves he's fucked.

Dizzy D · Post by **Dizzy D** » 2003-06-18 03:11pm

Flash may be allowed only as fast as Yoda can, but that doesn't stop him from lending near-lighstpeed to whatever small objects he can pick up and throw at Yoda.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-06-18 03:24pm

Yoda could just pick flash up with TK. hold him in mid air and chop him up.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-06-18 03:48pm

theheap wrote:Yoda could just pick flash up with TK. hold him in mid air and chop him up.

Would this be before Flash steals Yoda's speed until glaciers can out-run him, or after.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-06-18 03:56pm

Yogi wrote:
theheap wrote:Yoda could just pick flash up with TK. hold him in mid air and chop him up.
Would this be before Flash steals Yoda's speed until glaciers can out-run him, or after.

this would be before

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2003-06-18 04:45pm

When I saw Flash I thought FLASH GORDON, did anyone else, or am I just crazy?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-06-18 05:49pm

Soulman wrote:When I saw Flash I thought FLASH GORDON, did anyone else, or am I just crazy?

I'm ashamed to say, i did. I dunno why, i've never watched it, and am much more familiar with the flash from Justice League.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-06-18 06:08pm

theheap wrote:this would be before

Won't happen. The Flash reacts too quickly, even if he can't run any fast than Yoda can in this thread. There is no way Yoda will have the time do do this.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-06-18 06:24pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:
theheap wrote:this would be before
Won't happen. The Flash reacts too quickly, even if he can't run any fast than Yoda can in this thread. There is no way Yoda will have the time do do this.

actually that was more or less just a joke. I don't doubt that flash would win

ShinjiGohan · Post by **ShinjiGohan** » 2003-06-19 02:56am

Flash when not acting like an idiot:

Able to learn at lightspeeds (he learned how to reprogram a nuclear missle on the spot).

Able to give speed. Aka Yoda going from 1000m/s to 1,000,000 m/s. Kinda hard for yoda to adjust to that in the spot. Also can heat up items because he can also give/steal KI. So he can speed up the atoms in the lightsaber or Yoda's body.

Can steal speed, to where Yoda is a statue. Or the electric impluses in Yoda's body to where he can't even think. Also can steal KI, so if something hot comes his way he can make it a nice 70 degrees F.

He has outran instant teleportation (with loads of help of stealing a planets worth of speed).

Time Travel.

Intangability

Infinite mass punches E=mc^2 right

And probably a few others that I'm forgetting at the moment.

now due to the limitation that he can only move as Yoda, that takes out Time Travel and outrunning instant teleportation (aka being in 2 places at the same time).

Assuming that Flash isn't acting like an idiot (as per the thread here). He could slow down the items Yoda tosses at him via TK, slow Yoda down so he's a statue. Land one infinite mass punch, make Yodas temp close to absolute zero, or make Yoda burn on the spot (giving and/or taking KI). Go intangable through all of Yoda's blows, or stop Yoda from even thinking thus being unable to use TK, or much less anything else.

Course this is why they make the flash an idiot in the comics, if they didn't then only godlike beings could beat him, and that makes for bad stories. Heck, Flash should in all right defeat Superman (it doesn't matter if its Prime, 1 million, Sun Dipped, Pre Crisis or whatever) with ease.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-19 11:01am

And amazing the guy who creates the thread ignore the one thing that he LIMITED Flash to.

I don't see Yoda quite able to go c speeds

.

Also I'd like to point out Yoda has other avenues of attacks that every Flash has shown great vulnerabilty to(in fact one of his major villains have and still use it, and most of the times is the greatest vulnerability he has).

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-06-19 11:59am

You know what, I usually like limited versus threads but shinji, you have got to be the stupidest fucking moron in the world. The flash is the flash because he moves at rediculous speeds. Stop being a stupid fuck and learn to make acceptable versus threads. You hiko vs. yoda one was ok, but you defended it so ungodly idioticly that you looked like a troll. The yoda vs. zodd was just fucking stupid. And somehow you have managed to outdo yourself again. Hang you head in shame you little idiot. you give a bad name to anime fans everywhere with your name and you style and generallly piss everyone off. Including myself, and i rarely talk unless really fucking pissed, or poking fun. Look at my post count versus join date.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-06-19 07:24pm

Coming up next: Darth Vader versus Superman in a straitjacket made of kryptonite.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-06-19 07:28pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Coming up next: Darth Vader versus Superman in a straitjacket made of kryptonite.

Yeah im not sure why everyone insists on lowering said hero/villian/god powers. It doesn't make the debate very fun

Cosmic Average · Post by **Cosmic Average** » 2003-06-19 08:36pm

To be fair, I think the main purpose of this thread was to show that Flash has more powers than just moving very quickly. Such as his ability to redirect kinetic energy, normally when he adds or subtracts speed, mostly to himself, but occasionally he lends speed to other JLA members.

Really, if they were placed in front of each other about five yards apart, and Flash could move at the exact speed as Yoda, he'd be able to steal Yoda's speed, stopping his brain and heart.

ShinjiGohan · Post by **ShinjiGohan** » 2003-06-23 02:55am

Ghost Rider wrote:And amazing the guy who creates the thread ignore the one thing that he LIMITED Flash to.

I don't see Yoda quite able to go c speeds .

Also I'd like to point out Yoda has other avenues of attacks that every Flash has shown great vulnerabilty to(in fact one of his major villains have and still use it, and most of the times is the greatest vulnerability he has).

I listed the powers of the flash, and I said which ones wouldn't be able to be used due to the limitation. How does that make me an idiot? Flash has more powers that just run really fast and punch a buncha times.