Batman-esque Characters

[RogueIce]

Are there any other superheroes who aren't "superheroes" (IOW, who don't have super powers but are just plain human)?

DareDevil I think comes closest, but I don't count him as much because he enhanced his senses and all.

But, basically, that's why I like Batman the most: he's human, plain and simple. Add to that the whole revenge, outside the law, and the rest of it, just makes the Dark Knight my favorite. So I'd be interested if there are more like him who are written/drawn decently.

[Tsyroc]

A lot of the time Moon Knight fit into that category. There have been versions of him where he had superpowers but the best ones he was almost a rip-off of Batman in some respects.

[Rob Wilson]

A lot of the time Moon Knight fit into that category. There have been versions of him where he had superpowers but the best ones he was almost a rip-off of Batman in some respects.

Almost a ripoff? He was a Billionaire, had the Moonjet, a sidekick and a mansion outside town with a secret area for his base. If he had worn black instead of white there'd have been a lawsuit!

[Tsyroc]

A lot of the time Moon Knight fit into that category. There have been versions of him where he had superpowers but the best ones he was almost a rip-off of Batman in some respects.

Almost a ripoff? He was a Billionaire, had the Moonjet, a sidekick and a mansion outside town with a secret area for his base. If he had worn black instead of white there'd have been a lawsuit!

Yeah but he was insane with mutliple personalities.....um you could be right.


About the only difference was his motivation. I think Marc Spector was motivated by guilt to make up for his life as a mercenary. Bruce Wayne came up with a very fucked up way to deal with his parents death.

[Rob Wilson]

Are there any other superheroes who aren't "superheroes" (IOW, who don't have super powers but are just plain human)?

Guy gardner for a very shorttime had no powers but kept trying to fight crime.

Blue Beetle (Ted Cord) has no powers.

Obviously the extended bat family have no powers. (including Catwoman here)

Oberon, had no powers but aided Mr Miracle (including fighting one of Granny Goodness's students).

Punisher is about the only Marvel character I can think of.

Sam Slade Robohunter had no superpowers, Neither has Judge Dredd.

Other than that i can't think of anyothers of the top of my head

[Rob Wilson]

Yeah but he was insane with mutliple personalities.....um you could be right.


About the only difference was his motivation. I think Marc Spector was motivated by guilt to make up for his life as a mercenary. Bruce Wayne came up with a very fucked up way to deal with his parents death.

Yeah, now you mention it I think your right on the motivation. I had him as another Hero on a vengance kick, but his was guilt. He used to team up with a Vengance fixated character though, and I'm damned if i can remember who.

[Tsyroc]

It's hard to come up with characters that don't have at least a little edge.

Captain America and Nomad are supposedly only enhanced to peak human levels although I think that at least Cap demonstrates a bit more than that. He's more like peak human levels at everything without haveing to be built exactly like the normal humans who might be able to compete against him. It's like taking "world class" strength, speed, endurance, quickness etc.. and sticking it in one body and ignoring weight classes.

You might enjoy the Black Panther. He's enhanced (senses, some physically as well) a bit and has a lot of cool high tech stuff.

[Demiurge]

Iron Man, Hawkeye and Black Panther do not have any superpowers.

[Rob Wilson]

Iron Man, Hawkeye and Black Panther do not have any superpowers.

Iron man uses a Powersuit and Black Panther has enhanced Senses and Strength (plus an special suit that protects him).

You're right about Hawkeye though. Also before he got entangled in the Captain Marvel identity, Rick Jones fought crime as a normal person.

[Rob Wilson]

It's hard to come up with characters that don't have at least a little edge.

Captain America and Nomad are supposedly only enhanced to peak human levels although I think that at least Cap demonstrates a bit more than that. He's more like peak human levels at everything without haveing to be built exactly like the normal humans who might be able to compete against him. It's like taking "world class" strength, speed, endurance, quickness etc.. and sticking it in one body and ignoring weight classes.

Both Cap and Nomad have Enhanced Strenth, reflexes and Endurance. And USAgent was even more beefed up I think. It wasn't called the 'Super Soldier project' for nothing.

[Lonestar]

Both Cap and Nomad have Enhanced Strenth, reflexes and Endurance. And USAgent was even more beefed up I think. It wasn't called the 'Super Soldier project' for nothing.

Howabout Union Jack?

[Rob Wilson]

Both Cap and Nomad have Enhanced Strenth, reflexes and Endurance. And USAgent was even more beefed up I think. It wasn't called the 'Super Soldier project' for nothing.

Howabout Union Jack?

Bloody hell, you've got a good memory. I'd completely forgotten about him and his Invaders. He stole the Nazi versio of the Super Soldier serum didn't he? Not as strong as Cap A, so I suppose he would qualify as being almost a normal human. Didn't he die or something?

[Ghost Rider]

Both Cap and Nomad have Enhanced Strenth, reflexes and Endurance. And USAgent was even more beefed up I think. It wasn't called the 'Super Soldier project' for nothing.

Howabout Union Jack?

Bloody hell, you've got a good memory. I'd completely forgotten about him and his Invaders. He stole the Nazi versio of the Super Soldier serum didn't he? Not as strong as Cap A, so I suppose he would qualify as being almost a normal human. Didn't he die or something?

Yeah Union Jack 1 did...so did 2.

But the grandson of UJ1 is still alive and kickin and took up the mantle of Union Jack 3.

[Tsyroc]

Yeah Union Jack 1 did...so did 2.

But the grandson of UJ1 is still alive and kickin and took up the mantle of Union Jack 3.

I thought Union Jack 1 (Lord Fallsworth) didn't have the super soldier serum but his son UJ2 did (he stole it from the Nazis and was the Destroyer for awhile until UJ2 was injured by Baron Blood). Plus I think UJ2 eventually picked up some lightning powers from a time traveling Thor before he eventually died in a car crash.

I also thought UJ3 wasn't related to the Fallsworths but was a friend of Lady Fallsworth's son (the original UJ's grandson) ?

Anyway, didn't UJ3 pick up some superpowers during the Knights of Pendragon series? I didn't care for all that armor crap much so I didn't keep up with it much.

[Ghost Rider]

Yeah Union Jack 1 did...so did 2.

But the grandson of UJ1 is still alive and kickin and took up the mantle of Union Jack 3.

I thought Union Jack 1 (Lord Fallsworth) didn't have the super soldier serum but his son UJ2 did (he stole it from the Nazis and was the Destroyer for awhile until UJ2 was injured by Baron Blood). Plus I think UJ2 eventually picked up some lightning powers from a time traveling Thor before he eventually died in a car crash.

I also thought UJ3 wasn't related to the Fallsworths but was a friend of Lady Fallsworth's son (the original UJ's grandson) ?

Anyway, didn't UJ3 pick up some superpowers during the Knights of Pendragon series? I didn't care for all that armor crap much so I didn't keep up with it much.

Yeah...UJ2 did have powers...oops

Hmmm....UJ3...yep is the friend of the grnadson(that's where my mixup came about)

And I forget if he did get powers...but it's probable.

[Lonestar]

Bloody hell, you've got a good memory.

Never underestimate my ability to memorise stuff that has nothing to do with my job.

[justifier]

The Punisher; my favorite comic character
The entire Stormwatch team

[Rob Wilson]

Yeah Union Jack 1 did...so did 2.

But the grandson of UJ1 is still alive and kickin and took up the mantle of Union Jack 3.

I thought Union Jack 1 (Lord Fallsworth) didn't have the super soldier serum but his son UJ2 did (he stole it from the Nazis and was the Destroyer for awhile until UJ2 was injured by Baron Blood). Plus I think UJ2 eventually picked up some lightning powers from a time traveling Thor before he eventually died in a car crash.

I also thought UJ3 wasn't related to the Fallsworths but was a friend of Lady Fallsworth's son (the original UJ's grandson) ?

Anyway, didn't UJ3 pick up some superpowers during the Knights of Pendragon series? I didn't care for all that armor crap much so I didn't keep up with it much.

You're getting confused, I knew something was wrong in your summaries but i was damned if I could place what (i just never read enough Cap A stuff), so i swallowed my pride and used the Resources thread to check out Marvel Directory. Here's the Union Jack page. And all will be set straight.

[Mark S]

Was Cable a mutant or just a cyborg?

[Ghost Rider]

Ahhhh...oi my memory of UJ is certainly a tad off.

Glad I remembered he died during the fight with Baron Blood...whew.

[Ghost Rider]

Was Cable a mutant or just a cyborg?

He's more of a screwed mutant.

Literally Scott and Maddie's son...but sorta a cyborg because of the Techno-Organic virus...but that's debateable.

Now I believe he's truly gone godlike in Agent X and is pretty much not caring about the T-O virus.

[Rob Wilson]

Was Cable a mutant or just a cyborg?

I'll answer that in the catch-up thread. Just give me a minute to sort out the horrible convolutions and write it up.

[Tsyroc]

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You're getting confused, I knew something was wrong in your summaries but i was damned if I could place what (i just never read enough Cap A stuff), so i swallowed my pride and used the Resources thread to check out Marvel Directory. Here's the Union Jack page. And all will be set straight.

It looks to match what I said except that I spelled the family name wrong.

[Rob Wilson]

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You're getting confused, I knew something was wrong in your summaries but i was damned if I could place what (i just never read enough Cap A stuff), so i swallowed my pride and used the Resources thread to check out Marvel Directory. Here's the Union Jack page. And all will be set straight.

It looks to match what I said except that I spelled the family name wrong.

I missed the bit about the Electrical bolts, I thought you had confused them with Thor removing the electricity from UJ2, but it does indeed state he had that power after the incident. I still can't think what seemed off about your original summary... must just be that I'm not as well versed in UJ as i am in other characters so I've got confused memories of his appearances that i did read.

[Tsyroc]

I missed the bit about the Electrical bolts, I thought you had confused them with Thor removing the electricity from UJ2, but it does indeed state he had that power after the incident. I still can't think what seemed off about your original summary... must just be that I'm not as well versed in UJ as i am in other characters so I've got confused memories of his appearances that i did read.

It was the Knights of Pendragon stuff. Us Yanks aint supposed to get them UK titles, especially those where the characters are in rolly polly armor with big round shoulders and helmets.

That series really ruined UJ for me. I always liked the original uniform but someone decided it was too much like what some of the soccer hooligans were wearing . Fine, the next version of UJ's uniform that I saw in Byrne's run on Namor was acceptable but that red & blue monstrosity of KoP ~shudder~

After that I just had to write him off and hope that no one screwed up Captain Britain too much.