Return of the Joker

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-07-08 09:09pm

Are there two versions of this movie? I just saw it on HBO, and there's the scene at the beginning where the Joker tells Crazy Dick to shoot Batman with the funny gun, but he drops the gun and kills the Joker by pushing him towards a container full of water stuff, then he slips and grabs on an electric switch and dies. I remember the version I saw before, Dick doesn't drop the gun but shoots the Joker with it, and he dies saying something funny.

Is this some kind of tame PG version instead?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-08 09:16pm

Yep you saw the bootleg-illegal-WB-doesn't-want-you-to-know-exist(Timmy shooting Joker)version.

I've seen both and honestly him shooting Joker was much more stunning and much better given that he broke the boy...shoving him seemed so damn anticlimatic.

The Drunkard Kid · Post by **The Drunkard Kid** » 2003-07-09 01:07pm

What he said. Joker's last words in that version were: "That's... not... funny..."

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-07-09 02:46pm

Damn... that reminds me of the censored Gargoyles episode.

So even the DVD version of the movie doesn't have the scene like that then

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-07-09 02:47pm

Oh yeah I meant Tim Drake. Sorry.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-09 03:12pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Damn... that reminds me of the censored Gargoyles episode.

So even the DVD version of the movie doesn't have the scene like that then

LOL...another person who's seen the unedited and edited Gargoyle's episode

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But yeah...DVD does not have it...and at one time I did have the list of what was taken out, but the biggest was the shooting. Also the edited movie took out the initial shooting of the thug as well as a good portion of the fighting of the Final Batman vs Joker fight.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-07-09 04:12pm

Once upon a time, I used to get some US channel here called Denver something. There I watched Gargoyles for the first time, in english with no subtitles. It wasn't part of the "kids show" schedule, and apparently they showed everything uncensored (not that there's a lot of censorship in Gargoyles, I bet it was only that one episode). Later I saw it and the cut is quite jarring and badly done - you can hear the freakin music skip

I've been reading that there's an unedited DVD version of ROTJ (not return of the jedi) called "the way it was truly intended" and that it was actually released by WB *after* the first movie release.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-09 04:15pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Once upon a time, I used to get some US channel here called Denver something. There I watched Gargoyles for the first time, in english with no subtitles. It wasn't part of the "kids show" schedule, and apparently they showed everything uncensored (not that there's a lot of censorship in Gargoyles, I bet it was only that one episode). Later I saw it and the cut is quite jarring and badly done - you can hear the freakin music skip

Yep...I laughed a bit how poorly it was done.

I've been reading that there's an unedited DVD version of ROTJ (not return of the jedi) called "the way it was truly intended" and that it was actually released by WB *after* the first movie release.

Possibly...WB was going to make one since the sales of the bootleg outstripped the regular copies.

So far no word of yet, and the only DVD has deleted scenes...but from what I saw...they do not have the primary deletion(the Tim Drake shooting Joker)

russellb6666 · Post by **russellb6666** » 2003-07-09 09:50pm

well I got the uncensored DVD and I could swear that I saw tim shoot joker but you know I could be mistaken but im 99.99% sure that I did see him shoot the joker

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-07-09 10:36pm

russellb6666 wrote:well I got the uncensored DVD and I could swear that I saw tim shoot joker but you know I could be mistaken but im 99.99% sure that I did see him shoot the joker

Two versions of the movie exist. The uncensored version was released first, but was quickly recalled because of a school shooting or something, so WB recalled the movie, made the changes to remove the violence and released the censored version. The after a lot of fan backlash, they caved in and released the uncensored version.

The Jokers death is the biggest change in the movie. Tim shooting him is in the origianl uncensored version. Jopker slipping and electrocuting himself is the edited version. Most of the other canges include snips to the fight scenes, the Joker killing one of the gang members and a few changes in the script.

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-07-09 11:59pm

Which Gargoyles episode was it?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-10 12:10am

Baron Mordo wrote:Which Gargoyles episode was it?

The episode where Eylssa Masa gets accidently shot by I think Brooklyn.

Seele · Post by **Seele** » 2003-07-10 12:14am

Baron Mordo wrote:Which Gargoyles episode was it?

I believe it's the one where heavyset gargoyle (can't remember which one) found the Elisa's gun and acdently shooting you. The original edit was her laying behind a counter with only feel showing and a small pool of blood if i recall correctly.

Seele · Post by **Seele** » 2003-07-10 12:15am

I believe it's the one where heavyset gargoyle (can't remember which one) found the Elisa's gun and acdently shooting her. The original edit was her laying behind a counter with only feel showing and a small pool of blood if i recall correctly.

{minor edit to fix a typo boo-boo}

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-07-10 05:41pm

What is Return on the Joker, animated? or live action?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-10 05:55pm

FaxModem1 wrote:What is Return on the Joker, animated? or live action?

Animated.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-07-10 06:04pm

Where can get an unedited copy?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-07-11 04:59am

I think Kazaa (the bootleg) or buy the DVD (IF it still is in sale). The bootleg that I have at least is QUITE crappy... with korean subtitles or some shit.

BTW I even think the Gargoyles episode was completely removed by the Disney people when airing the marathon or whatever... In fact there was a certain website where you could download the whole episode in Quicktime format.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-07-11 03:45pm

The big Gargoyle was named Broadway.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-07-11 09:19pm

I thought they'd eventually released the unedited version on DVD and with the way Amazon has them listed it looks like it is available. I'd already purchased the edited version and didn't like the movie enough to warrant buying it a second time, although it sounds like it might have been a little bit
better movie.

I think I've seen this uncut version at places like Best Buy. Is there an even more unedited version?

Return of the Joker (Uncut) on Amazon

Return of the Joker (original release)

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2003-07-17 01:16am

I bought the uncut version at Suncoast months ago, no problem.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-07-17 10:37am

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:I bought the uncut version at Suncoast months ago, no problem.

Nice to know I wasn't completely halucinating.