Daredevil

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-08-06 01:17am

Just saw the Daredevil movie, and I thought it was great. I don't understand the negative feedback from the fanboys. Thoughts?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-08-06 01:19am

For me...a little too quick from his orgin to DD.

I did like his new version of Radar sense(making him get a visual)

I didn't care much for Elektra or Kingpin...and while I enjoyed Bullseye the character...despised that they didn't model a costume.

Also I truly got sick of the cameo names(a nitpick of a comic reader more then a movie goer)

It was okay...but not as good as Spiderman or Batman for me.

Post by **Steve** » 2003-08-06 01:32am

Daredevil would have been better if they'd dropped their insistance on having a PG-13 movie and left in the subplot, which would've garnered an R-rating because it involved the murder of a prostitute....

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-08-06 01:33am

I was in pain throughout most of this movie. I am not a daredevil fanboy, do not own a single issue of his but a friend had the Elektra storyline whoch I read years ago. Colin Farrel was the only saving grace of the movie and even he was over the top.

We have a blind man who is a superhero that has a *SECRET IDENITITY* who promptly starts a brawl in a park with a woman. Hmmm....secret identity blown?? It didn't matter because by this point the bad CGI and awful acting had already driven me blind and I too was now watching this movie with a radar sense.

Not to pile on a horrid little turd of a film I will ad one distinguishing feature of this movie that I DID enjoy. The way they portrayed DD in pain, pulling teeth out of his mouth after a fight, taking pain killers to deal with his wounds and scars from fights and surgeries. That was a very realistic portrayal of what someone that fights crime would probably look and feel like after a few years of it.

DD letting a man be cut in half by a train? Okay he's a hero? I think not, he's just a thug imposing his own sense of justice in the world. Cry me a river you fuckers that think that modern heroes need to be blood thirsty killers, where does it say in any justice code in NYC or even the country that a rapists deserves a death like that or even death at all? At that point they are not crime fighters, they are COMMMITTING crimes.

There are soooo many things wrong with this movie, from the acting to the pretty boy Afleck to the not enough Elektra and do we even care about her? (note to writers, there's this little thing called character development - look it up) The Kingpin was reduced to nothing more than the final boss of a video game.

Post by **Steve** » 2003-08-06 01:35am

I think they were going with the edgy, dark Daredevil, the vigilante.

That is, until he decides he's not a bad guy and spares Fisk at the end.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-06 06:33am

That movie was so bad...
Ben Affleck still can't act, the story was crptacular, and the whole set design/effects where somewat suboptimal.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-08-06 10:20am

Well, I enjoyed it. It was better than I expected, and I don't understand the "bad cgi" comment? Anyway, I owned one DD comic ever, and was never really interested in the character. I thumbed through the Kevin Smith story a bit in Borders once.

I thought Affleck did a good job, and was an excellent DD. I hated Bullseye, hated the Kingpin. Bullseye was an idiotic kill for nothing boob, just nothing there n terms of character. Kingpin was reduced to Suge Knight. WTF? Kingpin is supposed to be this intelligent crafty crimeboss.

And I don't see how DD gave away a secret identity in the playground. He didn't climb walls or pop claws out of his hands. He had a typical kung fu fight with another fighter. Blind people with keensenes andfighting ability has been a (urban legend) staple even farther back than Kung Fu

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-08-06 02:13pm

Ghost Rider wrote: I didn't care much for Elektra or Kingpin...and while I enjoyed Bullseye the character...despised that they didn't model a costume.

This is a common complaint that I don't understand. Comic Bullseye's costume is one of the most ridiculous I have ever seen. His movie appearence is much better, and I can understand why the comic series has adopted it.

That said, I thought that the movie was boring and unremarkable. I wasn't really disappointed. Daredevil is one of my least favorite Marvel characters, and so I wasn't really expecting much. There's a reason why he's not as popular as Spider-man.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-08-06 02:16pm

His costume is a bit out there...but what I hate about both is the simple bulls-eye he has on the top of his head.

I would taken the comic with just a bullseye on the chest versus that ridiculous tattoo he has now in the comics as well as the movie.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-08-06 08:12pm

Stravo wrote:
DD letting a man be cut in half by a train? Okay he's a hero? I think not, he's just a thug imposing his own sense of justice in the world. Cry me a river you fuckers that think that modern heroes need to be blood thirsty killers, where does it say in any justice code in NYC or even the country that a rapists deserves a death like that or even death at all? At that point they are not crime fighters, they are COMMMITTING crimes.

Did you know Batman beat his enemies to death in the early issues or that most superheroes have killed? Wonder Woman has killed. Wolverine has tried to kill (stoped by Prof. X.) There are many more examples.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-08-06 08:16pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Stravo wrote:
DD letting a man be cut in half by a train? Okay he's a hero? I think not, he's just a thug imposing his own sense of justice in the world. Cry me a river you fuckers that think that modern heroes need to be blood thirsty killers, where does it say in any justice code in NYC or even the country that a rapists deserves a death like that or even death at all? At that point they are not crime fighters, they are COMMMITTING crimes.

Did you know Batman beat his enemies to death in the early issues or that most superheroes have killed? Wonder Woman has killed. Wolverine has tried to kill (stoped by Prof. X.) There are many more examples.

And this addresses my argument that it makes them thugs how??

Wolverine tries NOT to kill and is always ashamed afterwards when he goes berserk.

Wonder Woman killed and it devastated her but at the same time she is an Amazon warrior. It would be kind of silly not to be trained to kill in extreme instances.

Would Wolverine let an enemy be cut in half by a train when he was helpless??

Would Batman, WOnder woman?

This wasn't killing someone in a life and death struggle this was cold blooded murder, he had a crippled enemy (the crack as he hit the edge of teh platfoirm and the fact that he couldn't move his legs afterwards) and let him die, while making fun of him. Yeah, that's heroic.

That's not even "edgey" that's just EVIL.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-08-06 08:18pm

So has Superman...the point is that Batman hasn't truly killed since 1939-1940. So using them as examples is extraoridinarily poor.

And to classify Wolverine and DD in the same arena is saying that Batman and Punisher are really in the same class of vigilante.

The way they portrayed DD getting revenge was the same way Jeph Loeb did...shitty. It was done in the same way to give that "wow he means business BS!" that originated in 1985...yipper skippers. I agree the DKR was Miller's best and worst thing he could've done for the comic book community.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-06 08:24pm

I liked it.

And I swear Jennifer Garner was wearing the mother of all push-up bras during her introductory scene.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-08-06 10:45pm

DD realized he was wrong in the movie. It was one of the refining moments of the character! "I'm not the bad guy." And then he let Kingpin live.

So he wasn't a "good guy" from the very beginning. So what? God forbidwe have something a little different in a hero movie for a change.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-08-06 11:30pm

Lord Poe wrote:DD realized he was wrong in the movie. It was one of the refining moments of the character! "I'm not the bad guy." And then he let Kingpin live.

So he wasn't a "good guy" from the very beginning. So what? God forbidwe have something a little different in a hero movie for a change.

The Punisher is being redone and Batman: Year One is in the works, so times might just change.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-08-06 11:46pm

The costume sucked. If you're going to put a damn zipper on it, put it on the back, not the front where the friggin 'DD' emblem is suppose to be. Why the living hell was Fisk black? Way to go casting assholes, spitting in the face of comic fans, all because you have to be all 'affirmitive action'.

Thank God, I never watched the movie.

Seele · Post by **Seele** » 2003-08-07 12:26am

Aya wrote:The costume sucked. If you're going to put a damn zipper on it, put it on the back, not the front where the friggin 'DD' emblem is suppose to be. Why the living hell was Fisk black? Way to go casting assholes, spitting in the face of comic fans, all because you have to be all 'affirmitive action'.

Thank God, I never watched the movie.

It wasn't affirmitive action, the filmmakers wanted someone with the presence and the size to be able to pull of the Kingpin role. Of all the people that aditioned for the role, Michael Clark Duncan had the right charisma and presence. The only issue was that he was black. If he can play the role, why not cast the best one for the job?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-08-07 12:36am

Lord Poe wrote:DD realized he was wrong in the movie. It was one of the refining moments of the character! "I'm not the bad guy." And then he let Kingpin live.

So he wasn't a "good guy" from the very beginning. So what? God forbidwe have something a little different in a hero movie for a change.

NOPE. Think of the payoff line and when it happens. He says "I'm not the bad guy" when he is beating the shit out of that kid's father. He chooses mercy against the Kingpin because he remebers that kid. He showed absolutely no remorse when he killed the rapist and his big 'remorse scene while standing in the rain' was done ddirectly after that scene. The payoff is the line when he says I'm not the bad guy to ther Kingpin, that links that scene to the kid's father scene NOT the rapist scene.

If you want to see costumed guys killing people for their own sense of justice fine, but don't call it Dardevil or Spiderman or Batman because these characters DON'T DO THAT.

That would be like writing a Sherlock Holmes story where he rapes one of the villainesses...He just DOESN'T DO THAT.

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-08-07 12:40am

Stravo wrote:If you want to see costumed guys killing people for their own sense of justice fine, but don't call it Dardevil or Spiderman or Batman because these characters DON'T DO THAT.

Batman killing people. That sounds familiar.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-08-07 12:44am

Demiurge wrote:
Stravo wrote:If you want to see costumed guys killing people for their own sense of justice fine, but don't call it Dardevil or Spiderman or Batman because these characters DON'T DO THAT.
Batman killing people. That sounds familiar.

In Kingdom Come, Wonder Woman kills a guy and then tries to kile Batman. Of course, she was temporarly insane at the time and there was a battle going on.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-08-07 12:46am

Seele wrote:
Aya wrote:The costume sucked. If you're going to put a damn zipper on it, put it on the back, not the front where the friggin 'DD' emblem is suppose to be. Why the living hell was Fisk black? Way to go casting assholes, spitting in the face of comic fans, all because you have to be all 'affirmitive action'.

Thank God, I never watched the movie.
It wasn't affirmitive action, the filmmakers wanted someone with the presence and the size to be able to pull of the Kingpin role. Of all the people that aditioned for the role, Michael Clark Duncan had the right charisma and presence. The only issue was that he was black. If he can play the role, why not cast the best one for the job?

Marlo friggin Brando.

By your logic, they should've casted Jackie Chan as Spiderman/Peter Parker, since he could do the stunts.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-08-07 12:48am

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Demiurge wrote:
Stravo wrote:If you want to see costumed guys killing people for their own sense of justice fine, but don't call it Dardevil or Spiderman or Batman because these characters DON'T DO THAT.
Batman killing people. That sounds familiar.
In Kingdom Come, Wonder Woman kills a guy and then tries to kile Batman. Of course, she was temporarly insane at the time and there was a battle going on.

She was far from insane. The guy she killed deserved to die. Not only had he killed people (they sort of imply that), but he also killed a friend of hers and Supes. Plus, she knew that if this guy escaped, he'd be a true danger to the world.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-08-07 12:51am

Aya wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:
Demiurge wrote: Batman killing people. That sounds familiar.
In Kingdom Come, Wonder Woman kills a guy and then tries to kile Batman. Of course, she was temporarly insane at the time and there was a battle going on.
She was far from insane. The guy she killed deserved to die. Not only had he killed people (they sort of imply that), but he also killed a friend of hers and Supes. Plus, she knew that if this guy escaped, he'd be a true danger to the world.

Supes didn't die.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-08-07 12:56am

I didn't say he did. I said a friend of theres was killed.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-08-07 12:56am

Aya wrote:Marlo friggin Brando.

Marlon Brando is a lardass these days. Kingpin is big, yes, but it's ALL MUSCLE, at least that's the way it's supposed to be. Marlon Brando could do the Blob maybe.

By your logic, they should've casted Jackie Chan as Spiderman/Peter Parker, since he could do the stunts.

No, by his logic, someone who has the on-screen prescense of Peter Parker should have been cast as Spider-Man. Someone who is geeky, something of a loser, but with the potential for coolness.

Brando doesn't have the screen prescense for Kingpin. He's a grossly overweight old man. Maybe he could have done it thirty or fourty years ago, but not now.