The Justice League vs the X Men

[Superman]

X Men Roster:

Cyclops
Wolverine
Rogue
Colossus
Prox X
Storm

Justice League Roster

Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Flash
Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern

Think of the fight taking place in a big open field.


Here's the deal, most people will probably agree that the Justice League is going to take this. If you think that the X Men can and will win, explain why. X Men fans, please explain how they can win.

[ArmorPierce]

Well X-men stands a better chance since the justice league is pussified versions of the original but I still think that the justice league will take it. Wonder woman would of course get beaten up by rogue though and wonderwoman would have to come save him after beating up cyclops. Sorry Superman but if this fight were to happen on the justice league show that is what would happen .

[Ghost Rider]

Cartoon or comic?

Cartoon the X-men take it. They pussified the JL where a watered down Great Lakes Avengers could take them.

Comic...Sorry, Martian Manhunter is easily on Prof X scale of TP, and four of them move at superhuman speeds, reflexes and strength. By the time Prof X realizes what happening, his head is orbiting Jupiter.

GL could take them practically.

Sorry Comic wise, it's a walk in the park for the Justice League.

[Demiurge]

This would be more interesting if it were all of the X-men teams vs. the JLA. 20 members or more.

They would still get owned, but it would be a fun fight to watch. Much more so than the current scenario. Martian Manhunter alone could take all of them.

[thecreech]

superman didn't you put this up b4. i am an X-man fan but with those roasters there is no way the x-men can win

[Superman]

No, I don't think that I've ever put up this particular fight. Yeah, you guys are right: The cartoon pussified the JL. Sort of like what Voyager did with the Borg.

[NeoGoomba]

The X-Men are simply outclassed on every level compared to the nigh-cosmic founding JL members. Perhaps a better matchup would be the JL vs. the five greatest X-Men villains combined?

Stryfe
Apocalypse
Magneto
Juggernaugt
Mr. Sinister


If Team Marvel is still overmatched, toss in Onslaught.

[SirNitram]

Unless Prof X is going Onslaught, I don't think this is a fair fight, not at all....

[Jason von Evil]

Well, if Rogue were to latch onto Supes, it's game over for the League. That, or at the very least, they would have one helluva battle on their hands.

[Sam Or I]

The Xmen roster sucks. I do not think any Xmen roster would be able to defeat the JLA one on one that you mention, there are better selections though.

[lance]

If its the cartoon version I'll give the edge to the x-men. Prof X can knock out Manhunter, and take over at least Flash. Superman is a shadow in pitch blackness of his comic self. Rogue is seems to be about the same strength. Cyclops will be able to get a hit in on Latern after Flash falls under X's control. Wolverine dices Batman. Colosus will have to handle WW.

[NeoGoomba]

Well, if Rogue were to latch onto Supes, it's game over for the League. That, or at the very least, they would have one helluva battle on their hands.

A) Superman is too fast
B) Rogue can only absorb mutant powers. What good will it do her to try and grab Superman, other than get her KO'ed?

[russellb6666]

B) Rogue can only absorb mutant powers. What good will it do her to try and grab Superman, other than get her KO'ed?[/quote]

That is not entirely accurate, according to the movies and Comics if Rogue touches someone without mutant powers it puts said person into a state of unconciousness, while absorbing their memories. So theoretically Rogue could grab supes and knock him out or disorient him enough for someone to take him out.

[Dizzy D]

Well, if Rogue were to latch onto Supes, it's game over for the League. That, or at the very least, they would have one helluva battle on their hands.

A) Superman is too fast
B) Rogue can only absorb mutant powers. What good will it do her to try and grab Superman, other than get her KO'ed?

B)=not true: how the hell did she otherwise get the powers of superstrength, flight, invulnerability and 'seventh sense' from Ms. Marvel who ISN'T A MUTANT. (Plus numerous other occasions where she absorbed non-mutants: Captain America, Thor, She-Hulk , Juggernaut and Magus just to name a few)

[Jason von Evil]

Well, if Rogue were to latch onto Supes, it's game over for the League. That, or at the very least, they would have one helluva battle on their hands.

A) Superman is too fast
B) Rogue can only absorb mutant powers. What good will it do her to try and grab Superman, other than get her KO'ed?

One of the other X-Men could help her. Xavier, for instance could project some sort of mental image that could be used to confuse and distract Supes along enough for Rogue to get a little touchy.

Edit: You have to wonder something else; could Logan cut Supes?

[Ghost Rider]

I mean let's truly examine this.

X-Roster:

Cyclops
Wolverine
Rogue
Colossus
Prof X
Storm

Justice League:

Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Flash
Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern

Of the Two sides...Bats is the weakest physical of the JL with Xavier being the weakest of the X side.

But in greater...four of the X-men(Storm/Cyke/Xavier/Wolverine) are within only human limits of endurance and physique with only two having any sort of alteration or protection against superhuman level endurance.

Both sides have an idea of what they are going against...if not this becomes far, far worse for the X-Men.

1. The X-Side has nothing in WW class of strength(Collosus doesn't quite lift mountain sides...which WW did during Byrne's run) let alone Superman or MM range. And Rogue is fast but she cannot break any sort of Mach 1 or 2...of which WW can do(she is supposed to have her flying speed rated at around Mach 3)...let alone MM or Superman who can reach near c flying speeds. The reflexes of four of them are greater then anything the X-Men have as well(none of the assembled X-men are bullet catchers or deflectors)

2. You need to have multiple strikes against any of them but Batman...and Telepathic battle would actually be stunted by Manhunter(who is capable of easily doing Xavier level deeds...has shown it through many JL and his own series)...and doing it on one of them leads the other four to basically have their way with you.

Now one could say Storm could exert Hurricane level winds...this would unfortunatly impair a great number of the X-Men and would do little against five of the JL(WW/Superman/MM can stand in hurrican level winds and not budge and GL has erected bubble/barriers easily able to hold up against greater forces). Lightning bolts would only be effective on a couple(most of the JL either avoid or can withstand multiple lightning bolts).

And let's say Rogue does asorb Superman...Kyle whips out a Green K object and she's down.

So the X-men combined would have to somehow take out either Manhunter or GL and hope the others are raping them while they try this.

For this contest to be fair...need many more X-men (you need Phoenix, but then again cosmic level being tend to make every contest then a "I can throw planets!!!").

[Trogdor]

I give it to the JL. The X-men roster just sucks. I think the JL team would probably win no matter what the Marvel roster is, but a better one could give them a much harder fight.

[Dizzy D]

I agree with your conclusion, but a few small corrections:

And Rogue is fast but she cannot break any sort of Mach 1 or 2...of which WW can do(she is supposed to have her flying speed rated at around Mach 3)...let alone MM or Superman who can reach near c flying speeds. The reflexes of four of them are greater then anything the X-Men have as well(none of the assembled X-men are bullet catchers or deflectors)

Rogue has been clocked at approx. Mach10 max speed:
"After the first Secret Wars the X-Men were teleported back to Earth and arrived in Japan, near Tokyo where they met children on their way to school (so it's morning in Japan) and wearing winter clothes (it's probably early December). The Professor is worried about Kitty and orders Rogue back to New York. This happened in Uncanny X-Men #181 (X-Men classic #85).
In the next issue (Uncanny X-Men #182/X-Men Classic #86) Rogue arrives in New York State. She has the setting sun behind her, so it's evening (the sun actually sets later in the issue). Tokyo is about 6,750 miles from New York and there's an 8 hour time difference (it's 4 pm in New York when it's 8 am in Tokyo). The days are short since it's winter, so Rogue cannot have taken much more than one hour to make the trip - which means her speed must have been about Mach 10.
Another example of Rogue's speed can be found in Uncanny X-Men #361. Here she returns at dawn after an overnight trip to the Antarctic searching for Gambit. That's a 16,000 mile round trip in one night, less the time she spent actually looking for Gambit.
And since she has stolen Ms Marvel's powers:
Ms Marvel could fly fast enough to catch a ballistic missile 300 miles above the Earth. An ICBM travels at about 17,000 miles per hour, and in this example Carol approaches one almost head-on and then instantly reverses direction to match its course and speed - although she was certainly slower than this when flying in atmosphere.
Rogue also has cought the bullets of 2 gattling-style machine guns."

[Drooling Iguana]

So the X-men combined would have to somehow take out either Manhunter or GL and hope the others are raping them while they try this.

Well, the standard X-Men uniform is yellow spandex, so that would provide some protection against GL. Not sure how much of a difference it would make, though.

[Ghost Rider]

So the X-men combined would have to somehow take out either Manhunter or GL and hope the others are raping them while they try this.

Well, the standard X-Men uniform is yellow spandex, so that would provide some protection against GL. Not sure how much of a difference it would make, though.

Doubt Kyle would be stopped(no yellow weakness).

But against Hal...dump three tons of dirt and well...no more yellow.

And danke Dizzy, I did forget that Rogue has shown some exceptions to her power(though too many times she doesn't and use the Blackbiord instead along with the rest as her primary mode of transportation)

[Stravo]

Rogue's power has alway acted strangely when trying to absorb aliens' powers. Sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes they work in a wonky way or soemtimes she's just knocked out. So we have to prove that she can absorb the powers of a Kryptonian.

Superman could possibly take them alone, let alone the others. This is hardly a fair fight, but if you add in people like Juggernaut and Magneto as someone else posted then the fight starts to get interesting.

[Dizzy D]

Rogue's power has alway acted strangely when trying to absorb aliens' powers. Sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes they work in a wonky way or soemtimes she's just knocked out. So we have to prove that she can absorb the powers of a Kryptonian.

This is also a myth for so far as I know: the only alien she absolutely couldn't absorb was the Impossible Man and he is a very powerful and unique entity. (And he so much as admitted that he felt her sucking away his lifeforce and then defended against that attack)

[NeoGoomba]

Something just occured to me, although I don't know how accurate it is. But doesn't Rogue currently posess all the powers of anyone she ever absorbed at the same time? If so, she'd be quite the powerhouse, and may even equal Wonder Woman.

But again, I'm not sure how accurate that is, and I can't be arsed to look it up myself, so hopefully someone in the know can correct me if I'm wrong

[Ghost Rider]

Something just occured to me, although I don't know how accurate it is. But doesn't Rogue currently posess all the powers of anyone she ever absorbed at the same time? If so, she'd be quite the powerhouse, and may even equal Wonder Woman.

But again, I'm not sure how accurate that is, and I can't be arsed to look it up myself, so hopefully someone in the know can correct me if I'm wrong

Nope...she only has temp powers...and at point was overloaded with their memories.

[Sam Or I]

Can Cyclops take out superman with a single blast? We know red sun light weakens him (Didn't Lex try to creat something like that at one point), what about a concentrate blast from Cyclops? Or if it makes him more powerful, hhave Rogue absorb the powers, and cyc, blast her.