Buffy VS Jason

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-08-19 04:34am

Jason starts on a rampage in Sunnydale. Buffy catches on. Who wins?

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-08-19 07:04am

Superman wrote:Jason starts on a rampage in Sunnydale. Buffy catches on. Who wins?

Xander gets wasted, so we all win.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-19 07:52am

Which season of Buffy?

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-08-19 08:28am

Gandalf wrote:Which season of Buffy?

I second the question. Without this info, we can't make any statements.

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-08-19 11:50am

Majin Gojira wrote:
Gandalf wrote:Which season of Buffy?
I second the question. Without this info, we can't make any statements.

Why would it matter anyway? Isn't she just an ordianiary human? Even if she wasn't, Jason can't be stopped. He'd fucking pwn her.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-08-19 12:20pm

Lord_Xerxes wrote: Why would it matter anyway? Isn't she just an ordianiary human?

No, we're talking about a girl who can bend prison bars very quickly in S6, lift about a ton (season 3) and leap well over 10ft from a standing position (1st season)

Even if she wasn't, Jason can't be stopped. He'd fucking pwn her.

Jason has the durability edge, but Buffy has the agility and inteligence edge. Later in her career, she can deal with his insane strength almost as an equal. She's faced Stronger opponents before (Glory) and opponents who basically as strong, if a little weaker (Adam, Caleb). so Timeframe is very important...

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-08-19 12:39pm

Majin Gojira wrote:
Lord_Xerxes wrote: Why would it matter anyway? Isn't she just an ordianiary human?
No, we're talking about a girl who can bend prison bars very quickly in S6, lift about a ton (season 3) and leap well over 10ft from a standing position (1st season)

Even if she wasn't, Jason can't be stopped. He'd fucking pwn her.
Jason has the durability edge, but Buffy has the agility and inteligence edge. Later in her career, she can deal with his insane strength almost as an equal. She's faced Stronger opponents before (Glory) and opponents who basically as strong, if a little weaker (Adam, Caleb). so Timeframe is very important...

Are these "powers" of her justified by some means? (god, I hate that fuckign series with a passion). Jason has demonstrated feats of equal or greater strength, according to the most recent movies. Point is noted in the intelligence department, but unless she can come up with a means to kill him, its pointless. Her little stakes aren't going to do shit to him, when fire, electricity, firing squad, hanging, explosions, and pretty much everything else does not kill him. (referencing Jason X). And typically, from the bits and pieces I've seen of Buffy fights, they've been martial arts fights. If she tries that on Jason, he'll punch her fucking head off, while shrugging off her attacks. (Jason X, again.)

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-08-19 01:06pm

Lord_Xerxes wrote:
Majin Gojira wrote:
Lord_Xerxes wrote: Why would it matter anyway? Isn't she just an ordianiary human?
No, we're talking about a girl who can bend prison bars very quickly in S6, lift about a ton (season 3) and leap well over 10ft from a standing position (1st season)

Even if she wasn't, Jason can't be stopped. He'd fucking pwn her.
Jason has the durability edge, but Buffy has the agility and inteligence edge. Later in her career, she can deal with his insane strength almost as an equal. She's faced Stronger opponents before (Glory) and opponents who basically as strong, if a little weaker (Adam, Caleb). so Timeframe is very important...
Are these "powers" of her justified by some means? (god, I hate that fuckign series with a passion).

Their is some inconsitancy at times, but generally yes.

Jason has demonstrated feats of equal or greater strength, according to the most recent movies. Point is noted in the intelligence department, but unless she can come up with a means to kill him, its pointless.

can he survive Decapitation? She likes taking heads because it tends to work.

Her little stakes aren't going to do shit to him, when fire, electricity, firing squad, hanging, explosions, and pretty much everything else does not kill him. (referencing Jason X).

The most powerful incrarnation IIRC. Why not go with the most recent incarnation (Freddy vs. Jason). Because IIRC, Jason X is pretty out of Cannon...then again, Horror movie Cannon is very lucid.

Now, not only do we have to decide which Buffy we're dealing with, but which Jason...Joy...

And typically, from the bits and pieces I've seen of Buffy fights, they've been martial arts fights. If she tries that on Jason, he'll punch her fucking head off, while shrugging off her attacks. (Jason X, again.)

That's all well and good, but their are two things: Buffy has an Insane Character Sheild (back from the dead twice is pretty good for a non-monster) and her strongest asset--her freinds. If she can get Jason Down long enough to get away (likely in FvJ version) , she'll come back fully ready to take him down through some ritual or spell cast by her pals ad it's all over.

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-08-19 01:19pm

The X-upgrade was the most powerful incarnate of him, yes, but before he gets the upgrade, he still totally no sells. Just the regular Jason there. He gets a few dozen rounds pumped into him, gets impaled on a giant hoook, and gets his knees shot out for good measure, and seconds later he's healed and pulls himself off the hook, without having his feet touching the ground.

I'm not sure about the decaptiation thing. They shoot him to all unholy hell in X, and then his evilness or some nonsense causes the malfunctioning computer to restore him to the X upgrade. There was like nothing left of his head at that point though. Mind you, when he was still normal Jason, his arm was shot off, his chest had a big hole in it, and his leg got shot off, and he was still about to get back up again. It wasn't until KM shot his head to whole hell that he seemed to stay down for a bit. And judging by the context of hte movie, it would seem like he would have healed anyway with a bit of time...

So there might be some backup to your theory there. If she can manage to cut his head off, she might be able to put him down for a bit. But once again, that requires her to get into melee range with Jason, and that's just not a smart idea. He's got the advantage on size, strength, and reach. Going into melee with Jason=gg no re thx.

What spell could they cast that would destroy him though? Examples from the series? Because all of the above effects (electocute, fire, explosions,multiple gun shots) don't seem to have any effect.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-08-19 01:28pm

Their's a reason I call it a Magical McGuffin...

Anyway, what spell effects could keep him down: Teleportation could screw him up; A dispelling Evil Spell of enough power could do it (though that is an EU spell). Standard Exosism spells might work.

As for Buffy in Melee Combat, with her agility and power she'd be like Freddy minus the glove in combat (though a little toned down, mind you): and it's likely she'd disarm him and use his machete against him for the decap.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-08-19 01:32pm

the way I see it...

If done by the people at Buffy:

2 part episode, ends with Jason's "Defeat"/subdual. through Magic Mcguffin at Crystal Lake...where he doesn't stay very long...

As a Movie:

Only Buffy appears, she makes it to the end, or dies herocally, "Killing" Jason, sinking into the depths of Crystal Lake....only to appear later the appant Winner. Only to have a final shot of Jason rising from the depths...

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-08-19 01:39pm

Majin Gojira wrote:the way I see it...

If done by the people at Buffy:

2 part episode, ends with Jason's "Defeat"/subdual. through Magic Mcguffin at Crystal Lake...where he doesn't stay very long...

As a Movie:

Only Buffy appears, she makes it to the end, or dies herocally, "Killing" Jason, sinking into the depths of Crystal Lake....only to appear later the appant Winner. Only to have a final shot of Jason rising from the depths...

Agreed.

As a minor nitpick, many of a his kills in Jason X are minus the machette. He is even disarmed by KM, but that goes no where fast.

My opinion, if Buffy takes her usual approach to Jason, and goes to melee, she's gonna end up on the loosing side of this battle. If she goes the friends route for a spell, there might be a way to subdue him, or defeat him, by some deus ex machina. But I'm reserved to the feelings that from what I've seen of Buffy's fights (granted, a very little) that she couldn't overpower Jason. She might disarm him. But even with the machette, I don't think she'd be able to do him in. His character shield is greater than hers. Jason=HHH.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-08-19 01:45pm

Lord_Xerxes wrote: Agreed.

As a minor nitpick, many of a his kills in Jason X are minus the machette.

My favorite Kill in Freddy vs. Jason is without the machete--twisting the guy's head around after he insulted Jason

"Why don't you back. the fuck--" CRACK!!

The nearest Buffy analog to Jason I think is Adam, Buffy pounded on him and got flung away. If he had a bladed weapon, Buffy would be in some serious hurt, but able to get away in all likelyhood.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-08-19 01:58pm

Well, a spell i'm sure Jason wouldn't be able to withstand would be the primal slayer thing from when she fought Adam. She could quite literally poo on him with that.

Graeme Dice · Post by **Graeme Dice** » 2003-08-19 09:18pm

Lord_Xerxes wrote: And typically, from the bits and pieces I've seen of Buffy fights, they've been martial arts fights. If she tries that on Jason, he'll punch her fucking head off, while shrugging off her attacks. (Jason X, again.)

He have to hit her pretty damn hard to do that considering that she has had her head smashed through brick and cinder block walls without losing consciousness and only getting a few bruises. Slayers have tremendous resistance to blunt force trauma.

Graeme Dice · Post by **Graeme Dice** » 2003-08-19 09:19pm

Lord_Xerxes wrote:What spell could they cast that would destroy him though? Examples from the series? Because all of the above effects (electocute, fire, explosions,multiple gun shots) don't seem to have any effect.

Willow could probably use the disintegration spell she used on the demon that attacked her car after she crashed it.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-19 10:46pm

Has a season been setled upon yet, because Season 7 Buffy seems damn near unstoppable, whereas Seasons 1-2 were not near that standard.

God help Jason is Buffy gets that funky M? axe.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-08-19 11:05pm

Gandalf wrote:God help Jason is Buffy gets that funky M? axe.

I think they called it a Scythe for some unknown reason...oh, wait, I know. "Scythe's are cool"

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-19 11:49pm

Majin Gojira wrote:
Gandalf wrote:God help Jason is Buffy gets that funky M? axe.
I think they called it a Scythe for some unknown reason...oh, wait, I know. "Scythe's are cool"

Ah yes, my bad, it was still cool.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-08-20 12:51am

Lord_Xerxes wrote:The X-upgrade was the most powerful incarnate of him, yes, but before he gets the upgrade, he still totally no sells. Just the regular Jason there. He gets a few dozen rounds pumped into him, gets impaled on a giant hoook, and gets his knees shot out for good measure, and seconds later he's healed and pulls himself off the hook, without having his feet touching the ground.

Sounds like a Season 7 'Uber-Vampire'. FYI, she killed on with her bare hands and a chain. If the Uber-Vamp can take having several tons of metal pipes fall on it, I'd call it tough.

Lord_Xerxes wrote: Snip

I notice your using the most advanced form of Jason, set in the future, against the modern, non-future tech Buffy. Have you ever heard of trying to keep things in perspective? Pitting something from several hundred years in the future vs modern stuff is hardly fair.
That's like putting an Eclipse Star Destroyer vs a AOTC Acculumlator.
Now, if you want to make the fight fair in terms of TIME, give Buffy the Jason X upgrade

Since this is MODERN times Buffy, have her fight MODERN times Jason

Lord_Xerxes wrote:What spell could they cast that would destroy him though? Examples from the series? Because all of the above effects (electocute, fire, explosions,multiple gun shots) don't seem to have any effect.

Let's see, Willow and Tara teleported a GOD into the air. Just teleport him into orbit or further to get rid of him.
Or give him back is soul (if he has one), or send him to another world (like the world without shrimp)

Now then.
Okay, Buffy is a more dangerous opponent then most people give her credit for.

Jason might have the reach advantage, but Buffy durability and strength are up for debate.

Buffy's feats of strength, durability and skill include;
Bending prison bars without apparant strain. I will not say much effort.
Beating the hell out of Glory. Glory was a GOD. Sure, she needed a 'Olaf-the Troll's' hammer to do it, but she still did it.
Went toe to toe with the robot form of Moloch the Corruptor demon. He was throwing her INTO walls (Literally) and she was still going back for more
When broke the next of a creature obviously model on Freddy Kruger (hunted sick kids, only the sick can see it)
Broke a 4x4/support beam size pillar by BENDING while tied to it
Fell through the roof of a building and got up
Staked Dracula
Brawled with a 'Troll-God' (Olaf) to a stand still
She has good enough balance to sword fight on a moving vechile
Her foreplay with Spike literally tore a house down

Also, she is rather agile and fast, she can dodge lightning bolts (ref Ep: Revelations) fired from magical artifacts for example.

I'd also point out her death's circumstances
1st one; Prophecy. In that show, you can't escape prophecy.
She was revived by CPR. That's not much of a death.
2nd one; After beating a god into submission (face it, she did) she jumped into a life sucking dimension tear to close it.

She has never been killed IN A FIGHT. If she's losing, she bolts and comes back better armed and better prepared.

Also, since Glory and Caleb are probably her two most physical powerful opponents...
Glory was a God. No arguing. She used to rule a hell dimension.
Buffy beat her to a bloody pulp in there final fight. Glory was hit by speeding mach truck and got up. She ran through walls and did things that are on the level of Superman, and Buffy STILL beat her down.

Caleb, had the power of the First evil (arguably the Devil or more powerful) in him, and Buffy, when she had the proper weapon, killed him.

All buffy would need to do to kill Jason is dodge a machette swing (or block it with shield) and then take his head off.

it would be one hell of a fight, but in the end, Buffy would win.

And if you want to do Jason X vs Buffy, make it Buffy with that time periods resources.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-08-20 10:31am

Graeme Dice wrote:
He have to hit her pretty damn hard to do that considering that she has had her head smashed through brick and cinder block walls without losing consciousness and only getting a few bruises. Slayers have tremendous resistance to blunt force trauma.

Well, Jason is strong enought to put his machette thru reenforced steel. So I think he can do it.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-08-20 12:04pm

I am begining to think this isn't going to be ended by simple event qoutes.

I think we need to have someone sit down and do some number-crunching to figure out how strong, fast, etc both of them are.

i.e
Jason uses his machette to slash through reinforced steel.
How thick? How long does it take? What is the force required to do this?

Buffy bends prison bars.
How thick? How long does it take? What is the force required to do this?

etc.

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-08-21 03:21am

Solauren wrote:
Lord_Xerxes wrote:The X-upgrade was the most powerful incarnate of him, yes, but before he gets the upgrade, he still totally no sells. Just the regular Jason there. He gets a few dozen rounds pumped into him, gets impaled on a giant hoook, and gets his knees shot out for good measure, and seconds later he's healed and pulls himself off the hook, without having his feet touching the ground.
I notice your using the most advanced form of Jason, set in the future, against the modern, non-future tech Buffy. Have you ever heard of trying to keep things in perspective? Pitting something from several hundred years in the future vs modern stuff is hardly fair.
That's like putting an Eclipse Star Destroyer vs a AOTC Acculumlator.
Now, if you want to make the fight fair in terms of TIME, give Buffy the Jason X upgrade

Since this is MODERN times Buffy, have her fight MODERN times Jason

I didn't apply the X-upgraded Jason in this fight. The thread calls for Jason vs Buffy, not Jason-X. I referred to points in the movie, when he was not in the X-upgraded state. Please reread the above post I made.

me wrote: Just the regular Jason there

think we need to have someone sit down and do some number-crunching to figure out how strong, fast, etc both of them are.

That seems like a good way to settle it. Agree with you wholeheartedly.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-08-21 04:04am

Depends, does Jason have more than 2 functioning brain cells?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-08-21 04:34am

If you think about it, Buffy would really have to pull all the stops to kill Jason. All Jason would have to do is connect a swing with the old machete.

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