Motoko Kusanagi vs. T-X

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-08-29 04:35pm

For some unknown reason, Skynet has decided to send the T-X back to terminate Major Kusanagi from Ghost in Shell. The battle will take place in an urban setting. There are two scenarios:

1. Both are armed with their own weapons.
2. Both are unarmed.

Which one wins the battle?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-29 04:50pm

Okay, now THIS can definately turn into an orgy, as Motoko can have virtual sex by plugging in the T-X!

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-29 04:58pm

Manga or anime Motoko? Or both?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-08-29 05:08pm

Durran Korr wrote:Manga or anime Motoko? Or both?

I assume manga Motoko is supposed to be stronger, right?

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-08-29 05:13pm

She never really displays massive feats of strength. (doesn't try to rip the lid off a tank, for example)

She's smarter, and meaner though.

And she has Fuchikoma.

Okay, now THIS can definately turn into an orgy, as Motoko can have virtual sex by plugging in the T-X!

Well Motoko ends up with a male body in the manga....

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-08-29 05:38pm

Actually, I recall her in the manga trying to rip the lid off a tank, and the strain from it tore her cybernetic body apart... Her strength at least exceeds that of a normal person.

She's hella flexible though. A good shot, and from the Stand-alone Complex, the non-millitary cyborgs can run at the speed of a car...

Lets use both anime and manga Motoko then...

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-29 05:47pm

Anime (movie) Motoko: Her normal weaponry isn't going to be enough to even dent the T-X. Her weapon of choice, the Seburo C-25 (same in the anime as in the manga, as I recall), is described as a FN P90 (submachine gun) with a lower magazine. It wasn't enough to scratch the tank she fought in the end, and it probably isn't going to be enough to scratch the T-X, either, who has shrugged off comparable fire like marshmellow projectiles. Then there's the matter of her thermoptic camo, which the T-X may or may not be able to see through (in the anime, the tank saw through it). In any case, as Motoko with her standard weaponry has no effective means of hurting the T-X, she probably loses. As for physical strength? Forget about it, the T-X would rip that cybernetic body apart (Motoko has never demonstrated any feats of T-X level strength).

Manga Motoko: Not too different, come to think of it. The only advantage she has is that she can call the Fuchikomas. Unfortunately, the Fuchikomas lack adequate weaponry to subdue the T-X as well, and their response time isn't perfect - the T-X may have already killed her by the time they arrive. Also, manga Motoko doesn't typically carry around thermoptic camo like anime Motoko appears to, so that's a disadvantage.

Motoko Aramaki: The only one that really has a chance. As she has all the abilities of the Puppet Master, hacking into the CPU of the T-X may be a possibility. Anyone with extensive knowledge of the Terminator franchise know much about the quality of Terminator CPUs? Also, Motoko is going to be extremely difficult to truly kill, as she can simultaneously exist in cyberspace and reality and move freely from one cybernetic body (she has several) to another. She'll likely just transport out of whatever cybernetic body has engaged the T-X when it becomes clear she'll lose the fight.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-29 05:53pm

Well Motoko ends up with a male body in the manga....

Her bodies in Man-Machine Interface are all quite female, I assure you. Shirow lays on the fanservice pretty thick.

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-08-29 06:10pm

Durran Korr wrote:Unfortunately, the Fuchikomas lack adequate weaponry to subdue the T-X as well,

Are you sure about that? Fuchikoma made neat holes to this poor guard:

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-08-29 06:12pm

Durran Korr wrote: Her bodies in Man-Machine Interface are all quite female, I assure you. Shirow lays on the fanservice pretty thick.

And I think in the Standalone Complex, there's a brief allusion to her having lesbian activities... Heard this second hand though/

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-08-29 06:42pm

Exonerate wrote:
Durran Korr wrote: Her bodies in Man-Machine Interface are all quite female, I assure you. Shirow lays on the fanservice pretty thick.
And I think in the Standalone Complex, there's a brief allusion to her having lesbian activities... Heard this second hand though/

Well, in the original, they cut out a huge lesbian orgy scene(her friends she left on the boat), so I wouldn't be suprised...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-08-29 06:45pm

Exonerate wrote:
Durran Korr wrote: Her bodies in Man-Machine Interface are all quite female, I assure you. Shirow lays on the fanservice pretty thick.
And I think in the Standalone Complex, there's a brief allusion to her having lesbian activities... Heard this second hand though/

That's a reference to an inside joke that Masamune Shirow uses in almost all of his manga titles: at least one scene of lesbian sex or refering to such activity.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-08-29 07:29pm

SAMAS wrote:
Exonerate wrote:
Durran Korr wrote: Her bodies in Man-Machine Interface are all quite female, I assure you. Shirow lays on the fanservice pretty thick.
And I think in the Standalone Complex, there's a brief allusion to her having lesbian activities... Heard this second hand though/
Well, in the original, they cut out a huge lesbian orgy scene(her friends she left on the boat), so I wouldn't be suprised...

Intron Depot 1 has the uncut portion.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-08-29 07:50pm

neoolong wrote:Intron Depot 1 has the uncut portion.

Yeah, I remember looking through that and the second book once two years ago.

IIRC, Shirow either didn't have a problem with DH editing that part of the manga, or was the one who suggested the edit in the first place. Either way, it's clear that he was personally invovled in the process, even redrawing panels for the new version.

I also once heard that Shirow was weary of having the more adult material from Man-Machine Interface released in the US in an "unrated" version of the title...

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2003-08-29 07:59pm

Durran Korr wrote:Unfortunately, the Fuchikomas lack adequate weaponry to subdue the T-X as well,

The Fuchikomas can either carry 2 20mm cannons or 2 40mm grenade launchers, in addition to the minivulcan. The fuchikomas in the playstation game also had missiles (probably not accurate) and in Phantom Fund (chapter 7 of the origonal manga) we see Motoko's fuchikoma with what look like two 40mm cannons.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-29 11:41pm

I also once heard that Shirow was weary of having the more adult material from Man-Machine Interface released in the US in an "unrated" version of the title...

Doesn't bother me, I see no reason why we have to know the intimate details of Motoko's sex life for Ghost in the Shell to work.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-29 11:42pm

Excuse me, I need to get back to my fantasy about Motoko and the T-X.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-08-29 11:46pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Excuse me, I need to get back to my fantasy about Motoko and the T-X.

But, which one's on top.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-29 11:53pm

Symmetry wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Unfortunately, the Fuchikomas lack adequate weaponry to subdue the T-X as well,
The Fuchikomas can either carry 2 20mm cannons or 2 40mm grenade launchers, in addition to the minivulcan. The fuchikomas in the playstation game also had missiles (probably not accurate) and in Phantom Fund (chapter 7 of the origonal manga) we see Motoko's fuchikoma with what look like two 40mm cannons.

Won't matter much. The T-X took a hit from a 330mm RPG-7 warhead and only sustained damage to her weapons system. Not to mention the Fuchikomas could probably only take one blast from her semi truck-destroying plasma cannon at best. Enough 20 mm shells would probably do damage, but the Fuchikomas probably wouldn't have long enough before being destroyed to seriously jeopardize the T-X.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-30 12:14am

Actually, I recall her in the manga trying to rip the lid off a tank, and the strain from it tore her cybernetic body apart... Her strength at least exceeds that of a normal person.

That was in the film (the manga actually doesn't feature any tanks, IIRC).

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-08-30 12:18am

Durran Korr wrote:
Actually, I recall her in the manga trying to rip the lid off a tank, and the strain from it tore her cybernetic body apart... Her strength at least exceeds that of a normal person.
That was in the film (the manga actually doesn't feature any tanks, IIRC).

Sorry, brain freeze there... >.< I meant the Ghost in Shell film.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-30 12:22am

And if I may suggest, this doesn't really belong in Fantasy, since GiTS (at least for the purposes of this discussion) is technological sci-fi.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-08-30 01:44am

I originally thought of that, but then decided against it since Ghost in Shell is also anime...

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-30 10:21am

Exonerate wrote:I originally thought of that, but then decided against it since Ghost in Shell is also anime...

Yes, but a cyberpunk-ish anime.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-08-30 12:59pm

Just to state, I have no idea who the T-X's opponent is.

Durran Korr wrote:Then there's the matter of her thermoptic camo, which the T-X may or may not be able to see through (in the anime, the tank saw through it).

T-850 Sensor capabilities.

T3 Novel wrote:Terminator's infared, optical, elecromagnetic emissions, and directed audio sensors continued to pick up a melange of data: heat signitures from dozens of ground conveyances - cars, trucks, and motorcycles - electronic noise from what he computed as excited neon gas, sixty Hz common electrical circuitry, some high-frequency broadcasts to to and from portable communications devices called cellphones, donzens of human body heat sources mixed in ever changing blocking and addictive patterns, and combinations of sounds of mixed frequenciesat varying rhythmic speeds that he understood to be music.

T3 Novel wrote:With his onboard electronic emissions detectors (which included radar) he pushed the truck to speeds in excess of one hundred miles per hour.

The T-X would likely be equipped with at least equivalent and probably superior sensors.

What was the tank equipped with?

Anyone with extensive knowledge of the Terminator franchise know much about the quality of Terminator CPUs?

T3 Novel wrote:Skynet's AI was an absolute marvel of human-machine science and engineering. First stumbled on by Cyberdyne's Miles Bennet Dyson, the computer's main processing units used Quantum Effects chips. Until then computers were powered by chips composed of millions of transistors. Computing the old way was done in the binary system - ones and zeros, ons and offs. With the QE brain in which 10^54 computations could be made each second, quadrillions of switching positions were possible, many of them simultaneously at each quantum level. All this happened around the Planck length - theoretically the smallest measurement possible, so infitesmally small that superstrings were the major league players; strange ten dimenstional building blocks that were more than one thousand billion billion times smaller than a single proton in the nucleus of a hydrogen atom.

Terminator brains use the same technology, but on a smaller scale. They have natural language ability (T2 An Evil Hour, Russel Blackford.) and can hack thorugh the Los Angeles 'secured' school records database in under a second. In comparison, hacking through modern encryption with modern computers, does as I am sure you know, take a very long time.

hacking into the CPU of the T-X may be a possibility

It would probably be set to read only (T2 special edition).

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