Superman vs. The Empire

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-31 06:03am

Yogi wrote:Any version of Superman could fly into suns. The sun is his power source, he flies in them to recharge.

As for the modern Superman, apparently he has been recieving a steady stream of powerups by writers who want to show just how cool Superman is. I beleive the last major powerup occured at "Our Worlds At War" though you'll have to find someone more knowledgable than me for details.

Meh, I don't think thats cool to just go "more power! MORE POWER!" all the time, thats why I like Smallville, he's not omnipotent there.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-31 06:04am

Alyeska wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:How much firepower would it take to shatter a mid sized moon into two pieces?

Mid-sized moon is how much? It would take 4e24joules to shatter a 1000km diameter moon into 10m fragments though.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2002-10-31 06:12am

Refer to http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php for specific examples of Superman's powers at work.

I assume that technically he wouldn't be able to exert much more power than Sol can, though his body is said to be like a battery, storing up energy. Can it store more energy than the sun produces in a length of time? I don't know.

"...by 1957, Superman is able to hurl an uninhabited Planet through space (Superman #110) and in 1958 can produce a small earthquake with a super-clap of his hands."

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 08:05am

He's powered by the sun?

Nightcloak time

or get him into hyperspace somehow, having fiddled (i.e. bashed with a spanner) the hyperdrive so it cannot create an exit event. we know from on of the black fleet crisis books that that is the end of him, eventually with no star to recharge from, he will decay, and eventually die.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-10-31 10:27am

NecronLord wrote:He's powered by the sun?

Nightcloak time

or get him into hyperspace somehow, having fiddled (i.e. bashed with a spanner) the hyperdrive so it cannot create an exit event. we know from on of the black fleet crisis books that that is the end of him, eventually with no star to recharge from, he will decay, and eventually die.

Just wondering but why would no sun kill him? Logically, he is Kryptonian, with their strengths and weaknesses. As a result a yellow star will give him powers. But no yellow star should just make him normal, for a Kryptonian. I mean, the Kryptonians on Krypton didn't have a yellow star and they were normal, well until they died anyways.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 02:42pm

neoolong wrote:
NecronLord wrote:He's powered by the sun?

Nightcloak time

or get him into hyperspace somehow, having fiddled (i.e. bashed with a spanner) the hyperdrive so it cannot create an exit event. we know from on of the black fleet crisis books that that is the end of him, eventually with no star to recharge from, he will decay, and eventually die.
Just wondering but why would no sun kill him? Logically, he is Kryptonian, with their strengths and weaknesses. As a result a yellow star will give him powers. But no yellow star should just make him normal, for a Kryptonian. I mean, the Kryptonians on Krypton didn't have a yellow star and they were normal, well until they died anyways.

on a ship trapped in hyperspace, with limited supplies, give him time

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-10-31 04:34pm

But that's assuming he can't get out using the store of energy he already has.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-10-31 04:38pm

Every time I see a post like this I think of the old cartoon where they have Krypton destroyed by the Death Star. Really that would be funny.

I wonder what happens next.

Also Any red gaints in and about the Empire, well guess what, Supes has no power...

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-10-31 05:18pm

Superman's speed/manuverability can get him through the vast majority of his fights in yellow sun systems. He'll have to stay out of red sun systems though. He'll need to be careful flying interstellar distances, but as long as he took a sun-bath beforehand, he should be fine.

The Big problem would be the Death Star, or rather, the Death Star blowing up any planet that he's trying to protect. He'd have to destroy it from the inside somehow, possibly using his super speed to help him sneak in. Remember, Superman can be subtile when he needs to be.

Parallax · Post by **Parallax** » 2002-10-31 11:40pm

Superman, by default, has solar reserves which can let him operate at full power for a couple of days even under a red sun.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-01 12:13am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:How much firepower would it take to shatter a mid sized moon into two pieces?
Mid-sized moon is how much? It would take 4e24joules to shatter a 1000km diameter moon into 10m fragments though.

Reason why I ask is because one of the Superman comics has Superman getting pissed that Lex Luthor was elected president. Supes was so pissed he destroyed one of Saturns or Jupiters moons.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-01 08:11am

SAMAS wrote:But that's assuming he can't get out using the store of energy he already has.

in hyperspace? he has a built in hyperdrive?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-01 08:17am

Indeed

However it should be noted several times when fokes have changed the Color of the Sun Superman Lost his power, Both in the various incartantions of TV shows and two comics I belive

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-01 11:33am

Changing of the Sun is one thing but interstellar distances with ease

Last I remember Superman still has one weakness Yogi has yet to remember.

HE BREATHES

He can hold his breath for an extended period but ever since the John Byrne revision his major weakness is that he breathes...thus while it's insane, he'll run out air well before he runs out of Solar energy.

Personally I say Martian Manhunter kicks a better whup ass on the Empire compared to Supey(Post Crisis Supes is powerful but no longer at the pinnacle as he was in the Silver Age...and the last crop of writers were on a bloody wankfest with that garbage called Our Worlds at War)

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-01 11:40am

NecronLord wrote:
SAMAS wrote:But that's assuming he can't get out using the store of energy he already has.
in hyperspace? he has a built in hyperdrive?

What happens if he destroys the hyperdrive? Would he drop out of hyperspace or keep going and going?

Parallax · Post by **Parallax** » 2002-11-01 05:28pm

A few months before the 'Our worlds at war' storyline, Superman received training from Mongul II which resulted in Superman either not having to breathe or he's cardiovascular system is so efficient he can now breathe in space.

And as I stated before, we've seen Superman operate quite fine for a couple of days under a red sun at full power - the recent 'Return to Krypton II' storyline showed this; even when his foes were using weapons based on red sun energy.

The Pre-Crisis Superman, OTOH, his powers wore off very quickly when under a red sun .. in a matter of minutes usually.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-01 07:10pm

What happens if he destroys the hyperdrive? Would he drop out of hyperspace or keep going and going?

If the Hyperdrive system is lost/destroyed then the drive mantel is lost as well which results in the ship being ripped apart by Hyperspace(All the way down to Atom level)

jodathalas · Post by **jodathalas** » 2002-11-01 08:30pm

Superman is cool and all, but i think batman is better because he beats freaks with abnormal mutations without special powers whereas superman is usually dependant upon his abilities.

jodathalas · Post by **jodathalas** » 2002-11-01 08:31pm

Superman is cool and all, but i think batman is better because he beats freaks with abnormal mutations without special powers whereas superman is usually dependant upon his abilities.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-01 10:36pm

Mr Bean wrote:
What happens if he destroys the hyperdrive? Would he drop out of hyperspace or keep going and going?
If the Hyperdrive system is lost/destroyed then the drive mantel is lost as well which results in the ship being ripped apart by Hyperspace(All the way down to Atom level)

Ah. That would suck.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-11-03 12:38am

neoolong wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:
What happens if he destroys the hyperdrive? Would he drop out of hyperspace or keep going and going?
If the Hyperdrive system is lost/destroyed then the drive mantel is lost as well which results in the ship being ripped apart by Hyperspace(All the way down to Atom level)
Ah. That would suck.

This is off topic but IIRC if the hyperdrive system is lost the ship will keep STAYING in the hyperspace (ie tachyonic state) with no possible way to go back to normal space (ie sublight speed).

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-11-03 10:10pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
Yogi wrote:That's true. However, he still can fly interstellar distances, and he was just dumped in a system with TWO yellow suns. He should have no problem hopping from yellow sun system to yellow sun system.
But Post-Crisis Superman still has limited power (unlike Pre-Crisis Superman). Now if several punches from Doomsday can kill Superman, how will he stand up against Death Star Superlaser, or 200GT HTL blast?

Well at that point Doomsday was his equal, so imagine facing you equal in a fight, both were worn down to death. Post Crisis Supes is nothing to sneeze at, his powers increased before when he absorbed Kryptonite X in Superman #82 and he was way way stronger, almost approaching PreCrisis levels. He didn't need to breath when he was in space, and he threw a ship with the mass of the Moon thousands of lightyears and caught up with it with his augmented speed. He can also increase his powers by beiong in close proximity to a yellow sun. Plus he has survived explosions equal to supernovae and Hypenovae.

Now as for facing the Empire, He could beat most forces thrown at him, but he would be worn down considerably, but he'd just increase his powers by flying into one of Tatooines suns. But I think the Sith would be able to seriously bring him down. Especially since he vulnerable to magic. Force Lightning would hurt him B/c it not only electrocutes it drains the victim's life-force.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-11-03 11:53pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:Now as for facing the Empire, He could beat most forces thrown at him, but he would be worn down considerably, but he'd just increase his powers by flying into one of Tatooines suns. But I think the Sith would be able to seriously bring him down. Especially since he vulnerable to magic. Force Lightning would hurt him B/c it not only electrocutes it drains the victim's life-force.

I would think the opposite, that he would have problems facing the multitudes of battleships, especialy in Red Sun systems. He would also be in trouble if the Death Star decides to destroy every planet he goes to. He would have to figure out some way to take it down. On the other hand the Sith's biggest gun against him is Force Lightning, and that has been shown to take some time to execute. In the meantime, Superman counters with Heat Vision.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-11-05 04:24am

Just a question: how durable post-crisis Superman really is? He maybe strong but is he durable? Can he withstand 200GT turbolaser or Death Star superlaser??