About Smaug: I'll have to read again to find out how most of the other Dragons were killed. But a human killed one of them (Can't remember his name, but I can check later). I also have to check how the Lord of Dragons was killed.
Where does it say that Gandalf the White is immune to normal weapons?
Read the Quote again:Then who IS the "Dark One of Mordor"?
Quoted:
The Dark One has millions of Trollocs; (fine so far: Dark one and Trollocs are WoT)
how is it he has not conquered all of Westland?(He might mean the lands west of the Spine)
It is because Sauron (Huh?!)
is held back by the might of Gondor (huh?!)
, and he does not want to strike until the time is right and he has the Ring[/b.(huh?!)
Get it now?
I read the Silmarillion. I have the Silmarillion.I gave mention of certain things that the Valar can't do, eventhough he(Cyril) says they can. You didn't understand a lot of them, because apparently you forgot what happened in the Silmarillion (or interpreted them to LOTR).
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Now: Some examples of the fucking WEAKNESS of ME:
Balrogs: The fucking LORD of Balrogs was killed by an ELF!
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Actually, it was the Witch-King of Angmar, head of the Nazgul. And he was slain by Eowyn, a human woman who was the sister of Eomer. And the Witch-King got over-confident and forgot the prophecy that only a woman could kill him, so he did not fight to his full abilities. The Balrog was killed by Gandalf.
I am NOT talking about the Witch-King.
I AM talking about the Lord of Balrogs. He died during the assault on this elven cityduring the Silmarillion (I'll have to check its name, but I don't have time ATM)
This invalidates most your arguments for the strength of Maiar and Istari. And the fact that an Istari could defeat a Maiar, shows that they have similar strength. (If you say Gandalf the Grey is weaker than an Istari, then a Maiar can be killed even easier)
The Balrog was killed by Gandalf, another Maiar. Given that the Balrog was not slain by an elf, but by a Maiar with a legendary weapon, there is no evidence that Maiar can be slain by normal weapons.
Read above.
True, he was about to be slain by fire. He showed no evidence of being in any other danger, and would not abandon his companions (particularly since he seems to have had some suspicion already that Bilbo had the Ruling Ring).
So you admit that an Istari can be slain by fire.
Ashaman can cast fireballs that flatten HILLS.
The Forsaken can cast fireballs that level CITIES.
Using the Choedan Kal fireballs that flatten CONTINENTS can be casted.
Concession accepted.
Besides the fact that the Balrog wasn't slain by a human, do you have any evidence that what the Maiar did the Valar couldn't do?
Read the Silmarillion.
The creation of the Sun and the Moon.
A Valar tried to heal the Trees of light.
Couldn't
Used up a lot of her power in this attempt. NOTHING happened.
A Maiar WEPT.
POOF.
Trees of light give off a fruit.
Two comments. First, not all magic is equivalent. By your argument, Trekkies have a legitimate claim that SW ships must use warp drive, since that's the only FTL transportation in their universe. All that follows from your argument is that magic based on Weaves do not work against the Gholam. Also, at least some magic in ME works by affecting the environment instead of the "actual" target. The wall of water that washed the Nazgul away wasn't done by Arwen in the books, but most likely Elrond, using the Ring of Water. In the Goblin/Warg scene you are so fond of quoting, Gandalf transforms pine cones into the equivalent of grenades.
Now, to deal with this.
What I am saying:
Weaves are the way MAGIC AFFECTS things in WoT.
When the Weaves touch the Gholam, they disappear. They don't unravel. They DISAPPEAR!
This means:
Magic touches Gholam, and Magic is "magically" dismantled.
Now about your statement that INDIRECT magic can affect a gholam:
CORRECT.
Congratulations. You found out the only weakness Gholam have.
I was wondering how long it would take someone to say this.
So it IS possible to affect Gholam through indirect magic.
HOWEVER: It still leaves you with the problem that normal weapons were totally ineffective against Gholam.
So, they have a weakness, but it is almost impossible to exploit.
I'll concede to you though, that Gholam can be stopped (Make a huge hole under Gholam. Watch Gholam try to get out ....)
And one more thing: I've read all the books of WoT.
I have read all the LotR books. I read the Hobbit. I read the Silmarillion. I read the Unpublished tales (or what it is called in English).
I'll check later again. And might post some more specific examples and so on. Gotta go.