New BSG Premier: "33" and "Water"

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2005-01-14 11:21pm

Yes, I know there's a thread, but I'm not wading through spoilers for the rest of the season. Some things I noted:

Human population:
"33"
50,296
49,998 (Clerical error)
47,972 (Loss of Olympic Carrier)
47,973 (Birth aboard Rising Star)
"Water"
45,265 (Baltar's number, I think)
47,958 (Number on President's population count later on in the episode)

There are roughly 5,251 Sagittarians left.

The series, from pilot to "Water," only spans about 8 days.

The Agroship destroyed in the pilot is mysteriously among the fleet, as is a ship similiar to the Olympic Carrier.

There's a planet named Triton (previously a name of a Battlestar) and the colonies Picon and Virgon were confirmed.

There is a ship named the Virgon Express.

Were Starbuck and Baltar doing the nasty in a preview thing at the end of "Water?"

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I really don't care that much about Halo. They better do something interesting with him.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-14 11:24pm

Damn you Tit for your laziness...

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-14 11:35pm

Thought these two episodes were excellent. My bad reviews of the pilot episode notwithstanding I'm very happy where this is going so far. My favorite moments were the president expressing some joy at the very end of that grim ass "33" when she heard about the baby being born. Very Nicely done. I liked how they all looked so damned exhausted and beat near the end of the episode. Having pulled a series of late and all nighters in a row at the office it really can get that bad with people missing stuff and getting snippy.

One thing I don't like is a possible romance between Starbuck and Baltar. Sorry, I just don't see it. No chemistry and couldn't see what one would see in the other.

Another romance that I DO like is one I'm guessing at since the pilot. I have a feeling that the president and Apollo are going to end up together. They have a nice chemistry going together and it would be intriguing and unique to see an older woman/younger man romance.

BY FAR BVlatar is my favorite character.

Looking foward to seeing Richard Hatch next week.

But there are a few nits - one of my main gripes what is it with Cylons and sex? They just want to fuck all the time and now Six wants to have a baby with Baltar? C'mon.

And the Cylons are fundies?! Where's the logic in a machine being a deist?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-14 11:36pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Damn you Tit for your laziness...

He's right the other thread is chock full of spoilers

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-14 11:38pm

Yeah, but he could have just hit the last page and posted without reading anything.

*sigh* I'm really just pissed that I put my comments about the premiere in there instead or waiting or starting my own thread, that's all...

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » 2005-01-14 11:42pm

Stravo wrote: But there are a few nits - one of my main gripes what is it with Cylons and sex? They just want to fuck all the time and now Six wants to have a baby with Baltar? C'mon.

And the Cylons are fundies?! Where's the logic in a machine being a deist?

The human models are there to find out about humans and their emotions. Just look at Six, she's fallen in love with Baltar, and in later episodes it will be shown just what kinds of divisions can lead in between the Cylons in their quest to learn about humans and their emotions. I really think that the Human Model Cylons are there for more than just infiltration.

And about the Cylons being fundies, i see it either two ways. 1) They're being led by someone who is yet unseen and is leading the Cylons with their vision of God (Count Iblis maybe?), or 2) A powerful central AI which the Cylon models think as God and it has, as the opening credits say "A Plan".

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2005-01-14 11:46pm

Stravo wrote:And the Cylons are fundies?! Where's the logic in a machine being a deist?

I'm guessing the Cylons use religion as a metaphor for their strict hierarchy. In the commentary track on the miniseries DVD, Moore pointed out that we really don't know if Six is actually a chip in Baltar's brain or a figment of his imagination.

I love the way that the marooning of the tour guide and destruction of the Olympic Carrier, both heinous acts done by the suggestion of Baltar, have turned out to be the right decision in the end. It's hard to hate him.

My favorite piece of dialogue thus far:
Kallie: "Why do the Cylons come every thirty-three minutes? Why not every thirty-four or thirty-five?"
Chief: "Kallie. Shut up."

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-01-14 11:51pm

My question is when they go to the Caprica subplot with 'Helo', they always have the little tag on the bottom of the screen saying "Cylon Occupied Caprica".

So did the Cylon's occupy it? Are the remenents of humanity rounded up and intered? What are they goig to do with them? Force them into a democracy? Slave Labor?

Or is the planet dead and the 'toasters' just roaming around.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-14 11:55pm

I have to wholy agree with Tit about Baltar. He's just fantastic. Probably one of the best tragic villians I've seen.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-14 11:55pm

Knife wrote:My question is when they go to the Caprica subplot with 'Helo', they always have the little tag on the bottom of the screen saying "Cylon Occupied Caprica".

So did the Cylon's occupy it? Are the remenents of humanity rounded up and intered? What are they goig to do with them? Force them into a democracy? Slave Labor?

Or is the planet dead and the 'toasters' just roaming around.

The fluff piece on the new series tonight says that the B story in the series this season that examines whats happening on Caprica.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-01-15 12:00am

Stravo wrote:
Knife wrote:My question is when they go to the Caprica subplot with 'Helo', they always have the little tag on the bottom of the screen saying "Cylon Occupied Caprica".

So did the Cylon's occupy it? Are the remenents of humanity rounded up and intered? What are they goig to do with them? Force them into a democracy? Slave Labor?

Or is the planet dead and the 'toasters' just roaming around.
The fluff piece on the new series tonight says that the B story in the series this season that examines whats happening on Caprica.

Well, that little bit better get good quick or it'll drag the rest down.

All in all, the show was good. Which says alot considering that the mini series was total green baby shit. The characters were actually involved in the events that created the drama. Most of the characters are totally believable. They didn't overplay peoples 'flaws' like the cardboard cut out characters in the mini series.

I'm aghast at the robot born again movment and find it as silly as the sex starved robot theme but all that aside, the evil cylon concience that is preverbally on Baltar's shoulder is marvelous.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-15 12:01am

I like the religeous Cylons. But I'm weird like that.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-01-15 12:07am

I do like how they changed the original's first problem of fuel with the new problem of water. Makes some sense, though fuel should be up there too, unless they got topped off at the depot thingy in the mini series.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-01-15 12:12am

Callie, the ground crew tech, is teh hot.

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » 2005-01-15 12:45am

Knife wrote:I do like how they changed the original's first problem of fuel with the new problem of water. Makes some sense, though fuel should be up there too, unless they got topped off at the depot thingy in the mini series.

Its addressed later on in the series.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-15 01:38am

Old Plympto wrote:Callie, the ground crew tech, is teh hot.

I thought she was pretty cute, too, although she really looked like hell at the start of "33"...

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2005-01-15 01:41am

Boomer rules =D

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-01-15 02:06am

Anyone else think Caprica is ridiculously intact for having been the target of seemingly heavy orbital bombardment?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-15 02:09am

Not really. If I recall, the Cylons mostly targeted the major cities, and in the series seems to be in the process of spreading out in mop-up and weeding procedures.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-01-15 08:13am

The only thing that really made me cringe was that whole "Repent your sins and be spared" scene.

From the "Lowdown" special, it seems like they're going to have Baltar make a transition from an "Evil" atheist who only gives a damn about himself, to a decent god fearing man.

This is a subplot I will not enjoy......

Other than that, it was very good.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2005-01-15 09:45am

StarshipTitanic wrote:Yes, I know there's a thread, but I'm not wading through spoilers for the rest of the season.

That's why I hopped out of the other thread - I don't want to read spoilers, I want to see it unfold in front of me.

Human population:
"Water"
45,265 (Baltar's number, I think)

Baltar's number was the civilian population, as he stated when he gave it. Which leaves only 2,693 military.

I was thinking, towards the end of "Water", that the civilians have been sitting around for a week all freaked-out, shellshocked, and bored. They are going to need to give the survivors something to do. Obviously, you've got ship maintenance to worry about, but you can't have tens of thousands of people sitting around twiddling their thumbs indefinitely.

I'm thinking they should probably get some into the military, to back up their current roster which will, inevitably, suffer attrition.

The Agroship destroyed in the pilot is mysteriously among the fleet

They can't have two agroships?

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2005-01-15 09:46am

Darksider wrote:The only thing that really made me cringe was that whole "Repent your sins and be spared" scene.

From the "Lowdown" special, it seems like they're going to have Baltar make a transition from an "Evil" atheist who only gives a damn about himself, to a decent god fearing man.

I swear I saw in the Lowdown that the Cylons are polytheistic (it was when they showed a page of the BSG bible the creater had written up).

The religion aspect is the only thing that has me worried about the show. If this becomes the 700 Club in Space, I'm not watching.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2005-01-15 09:54am

Stravo wrote:But there are a few nits - one of my main gripes what is it with Cylons and sex? They just want to fuck all the time and now Six wants to have a baby with Baltar? C'mon.

And the Cylons are fundies?! Where's the logic in a machine being a deist?

May I remind you that most of the sex-obession is coming from Baltar's Number-Six-Who-Isn't-There? Sure, the "real" Number Six screwed his brains out, but then, she was obviously manipulating Baltar and you have to admit, with him it's a very effective method. After he escapes Caprica, is his Number Six from a brain chip or his own fevered pseudopsychotic imagination? At some point someone is going to make a comment about how this guy is starting to lose it.

I will also remind you that it is ONLY Number Six among the Cylons who has mentioned God of any sort. Not that we've had a lot of dialog with any other Cylon, except Boomer, who doesn't know she's a Cylon (although she's probably starting to worry about waking up with detonators and such).

Finally, I'd like to share a picture I found on the web:

Two Starbucks. And, if you look carefully in the background, you'll see that they're probably in.... a Starbucks. That's just too cure, isn't it?

Post by **Broomstick** » 2005-01-15 09:55am

Too cute, too cute... think I need some more caffeine, myself...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2005-01-15 10:36am

Wait, one of the main characters in this series has a villain implanted in his head through a neuro-chip?

...where have I heard that before?

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