*SPOILERS* Stargate Atlantis 1X20. The Seige II

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-02-01 05:15am

Well I'm torn between shouting how much that kicked ass and kicking the wall about another frigen 'To Be Continued' episode and the fact that this is the season end....

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-02-01 05:25am

Did anyone else hear what those Railguns did?

"They will deliver an impact velocity of Mach 5 at two hundred and fifty miles!"

OUCH. Looks like they fire VERY small rounds, but hell, with their ROF and firepower they made mincemeat of Darts, probably of Gliders as well.

Annoyingly, it looks like you could see the teams mounting some kind of SAM AMRAAM launchers at points, never see them used though...

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-02-01 05:35am

And the special effects just blew me away. It looked like the first frigen night of Desert Storm!

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2005-02-01 05:48am

*watches azureus impatiently*

i want to be canadian...

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2005-02-01 03:33pm

I really want one of those railguns!

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-02-01 04:02pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:Well I'm torn between shouting how much that kicked ass and kicking the wall about another frigen 'To Be Continued' episode and the fact that this is the season end....

WTF, its the last episode of season 1? They cant do that!

ps, they said it would take Prometheus 4 days to Pegasus, does anyone know the distance between Milkyway and Pegasus?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-01 04:11pm

3115±165 KLy, which, assuming Atlantis to be in the centre {That holo put it near the centre IIRC} comes out as 32,447.9 Ly per hour or nine light years per second.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-02-01 04:15pm

NecronLord wrote:3115±165 KLy, which, assuming Atlantis to be in the centre {That holo put it near the centre IIRC} comes out as 32,447.9 Ly per hour or nine light years per second.

So the Asgard gave them a Hyperdrive that was ready for the junkyard?
While it fast for any sci-fi even fast for the Go'uld, its damn slow to the Asgard.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-01 04:32pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:So the Asgard gave them a Hyperdrive that was ready for the junkyard?
While it fast for any sci-fi even fast for the Go'uld, its damn slow to the Asgard.

They Asgard didn't build the hyperdrive, the humans built it. The ship uses reverse engineered goa'uld drives powered by a ZPM.

I must say though, their decision to use the ZPM to send the Daedelus seems ill advised. If they'd sent it through the gate, they could have powered the shield, and it is quite possible that the chair's ammunition silos have a matter-replicator built in for manufacturing more drones.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-02-01 04:39pm

NecronLord wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:So the Asgard gave them a Hyperdrive that was ready for the junkyard?
While it fast for any sci-fi even fast for the Go'uld, its damn slow to the Asgard.
They Asgard didn't build the hyperdrive, the humans built it. The ship uses reverse engineered goa'uld drives powered by a ZPM.

Didnt the Asgard install one a couple episodes back?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-02-01 04:44pm

NecronLord wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:So the Asgard gave them a Hyperdrive that was ready for the junkyard?
While it fast for any sci-fi even fast for the Go'uld, its damn slow to the Asgard.
They Asgard didn't build the hyperdrive, the humans built it. The ship uses reverse engineered goa'uld drives powered by a ZPM.

Incorrect, Citizen. The Computer records clear evidence of an Asgard Hyperdrive being installed.(Covenant, Thor is asked for one. Endgame, the X-303 is in dock due to it's installation. Prometheus Unbound, it's new Asgard engine is used to try and make it to Pegasus.) Have a Nice Day.(Yep, I've got the new Paranoia book)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-01 05:00pm

Smacks on the back of the head all around. This is the USS Daedelus, BC-303#2. The Asgard installed their drive on the USS Prometheus, BC-303#1.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-02-01 05:21pm

NecronLord wrote:Smacks on the back of the head all around. This is the USS Daedelus, BC-303#2. The Asgard installed their drive on the USS Prometheus, BC-303#1.

Doh

How many BC-303 have they?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-01 05:34pm

Two. Assuming you recorded the episode, you will hear McKay and the Colonel reffer to the Dae. It's the second one, and they had to hurry to get it ready.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-02-01 06:19pm

NecronLord wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:So the Asgard gave them a Hyperdrive that was ready for the junkyard?
While it fast for any sci-fi even fast for the Go'uld, its damn slow to the Asgard.
They Asgard didn't build the hyperdrive, the humans built it. The ship uses reverse engineered goa'uld drives powered by a ZPM.

I must say though, their decision to use the ZPM to send the Daedelus seems ill advised. If they'd sent it through the gate, they could have powered the shield, and it is quite possible that the chair's ammunition silos have a matter-replicator built in for manufacturing more drones.

OR as I assumed and you protested, there is no matter replicator thing built in that the ZPM powers, but there really IS a gigantic Silo with the drones udner the Earth Outpost so meh!

That said, I really wonder why they are sending the Daedelus. Unless Prometheus simply got wacked so many times in "Unbound" and "Full Alert" that it just needs a month or two off for a refit. But as far as we know, the Daedelus is just a stock 303. They won't have Asgard designed shields, weapons, beaming tech or drives. Which are the things that might conceivably make a 303 a match for a Wraith capital ship. It'll be interesting to see at any rate.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-02-01 08:15pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:That said, I really wonder why they are sending the Daedelus. Unless Prometheus simply got wacked so many times in "Unbound" and "Full Alert" that it just needs a month or two off for a refit. But as far as we know, the Daedelus is just a stock 303. They won't have Asgard designed shields, weapons, beaming tech or drives. Which are the things that might conceivably make a 303 a match for a Wraith capital ship. It'll be interesting to see at any rate.

They may think that they need the more powerfull Prometheus to guard Earth now that the Replicators dominate the Milkyway.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-02-01 08:41pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Chris OFarrell wrote:That said, I really wonder why they are sending the Daedelus. Unless Prometheus simply got wacked so many times in "Unbound" and "Full Alert" that it just needs a month or two off for a refit. But as far as we know, the Daedelus is just a stock 303. They won't have Asgard designed shields, weapons, beaming tech or drives. Which are the things that might conceivably make a 303 a match for a Wraith capital ship. It'll be interesting to see at any rate.
They may think that they need the more powerfull Prometheus to guard Earth now that the Replicators dominate the Milkyway.

Possibly. But this episode takes place several episodes after Reckoning II which HAS to see the Legobugs somehow being either defeated or at least driven back for now. Otherwise the entire SG1 Galaxy will be dead in about a week.....

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-02 04:39am

Chris OFarrell wrote: OR as I assumed and you protested, there is no matter replicator thing built in that the ZPM powers, but there really IS a gigantic Silo with the drones udner the Earth Outpost so meh!

You're as smarmy as Arnold Rimmer, you know that?

That said, I really wonder why they are sending the Daedelus. Unless Prometheus simply got wacked so many times in "Unbound" and "Full Alert" that it just needs a month or two off for a refit. But as far as we know, the Daedelus is just a stock 303. They won't have Asgard designed shields, weapons, beaming tech or drives. Which are the things that might conceivably make a 303 a match for a Wraith capital ship. It'll be interesting to see at any rate.

I assume it is either banged up, or after Reckoning, they're loath to let it leave Earth. Well, I suspect it'll actually play out like this:

Sheppard's Puddle Jumper closes with the Wraith Hive Ship, still undetected, with the drama mounting, and the nuke about to go off. Abruptly, just as the bomb runs out of time, Sheppard dissapears in a bright flash of white light. The nuke explodes inside the shields of the Hive Ship (Assuming, that, the Puddle Jumper's Shield Penetrating capability works on Wraith technology, which is likely a cheap knockoff of Ancient technology). Seriously damaged, but not destroyed, the Hive Ship lists, unshielded.

On the sensors two more large dots appear, and in orbit, the damaged hive ship is assailed by more nuclear weapons, this time Naquadah Enhanced ones, shields flaring madly. This is joined by several bright blue-white bolts, and the shields collapse. The source of the Daedelus' fast arrival soon becomes obvious as an Asgard ship {the Daniel Jackson or even better, an O'Neill [Samantha Carter?

]} cuts off the Hive Ship's engines with a single sustained matter-destruction beam, and begins picking off its weapons emplacements.

The Wraith Escorts and the remaining Hive Ship open up on the two new vessels, Darts being plucked out of the air by a squadron of X-302 fighters, which takes heavy losses. The battlecruiser and Asgard ship fire on the remaining Wraith ships, in a sustained firefight that, after a few minutes, it becomes clear the Wraith cannot win. The Hive Ship begins to retreat, but, like its comrade, not sitting impotently in orbit, the ship is no match for the Asgard and a 303. Its shields collapse, and, repeating the same manouver, the Asgard Ship begins to beam anything it registers as human off the two crippled hive ships, before contemptuously disintegrating them as the escorts flee.

Over Atlantis, the combined fire of the remaining defence guns and the squadron from the Daedelus down the remaining wraith fighters, but not before they have finished transporting a significant number of Wraith ground troops into the city from the first of the crippled Hive Ships. Equipped with sensor-jamming devices, Atlantis is now lumbered with a veritable army of Wraith, whose only hope is to take the small inhabited area controlling the stargate...

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2005-02-02 06:10am

NecronLord wrote:*snip*

You forgot "To Be Continued" AGAIN GAH!!!

i can't believe i have to wait till like.. july or something now!!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-02 06:21am

Zac Naloen wrote:You forgot "To Be Continued" AGAIN GAH!!!

Well, actually, I was proposing that as the opening of the next episode, and fighting off the Wraith Ground Assault to be the thrust of the story.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2005-02-02 06:23am

NecronLord wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote:You forgot "To Be Continued" AGAIN GAH!!!
Well, actually, I was proposing that as the opening of the next episode, and fighting off the Wraith Ground Assault to be the thrust of the story.

here i was hoping for a battle to last the whole episode

That sounds really cool.

But i personally don't think we'll see the asgard.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-02 06:30am

Well, unless they plan to kill their main character, and assuming that Bomb works as advertised someone's going to have to beam him out of that thing, which means either: 1 - Atlantis has a working transporter somwhere that is activated 2 - the Wraith will capture him, or 3 - The Dae will arrive and beam him out. If it's three, then they need to have some reason for it arriving so quickly, for which, an Asgard tow seems to be rather good.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2005-02-02 08:32am

Gustav32Vasa wrote: They may think that they need the more powerfull Prometheus to guard Earth now that the Replicators dominate the Milkyway.

On top of the fact that Earth's main enemies have been largely neutralised (the Goa'uld have lost even more ships and the Replicators have been at least partially wiped out) they can now power up the chair in Antarctica meaning the Prometheus is superfluous for the defence of Earth.

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2005-02-02 02:51pm

As always Atlantis is above average to good, but with some cheese points. The new prick commander that in one episode goes from prick-->accepts old commander-->dead while acting stupid. Two man patrol gets jumped and he pumps his pistol into it's belly with no effect, shoot him in the face. Just a few overdramatised points, Colonel's death and Weir's command decisions with the pauses. Without a major/secondary character getting hurt or dead I didn't get the sense of doom they were trying to pull off. I really thought a Wraith would jump the doc in the chair.

The defense seemed plausible but they gotta chill on the hand held guns even attempting to fire and do damage on "spacecraft". I guess the Wraith fall under vunerable to that, they didn't even manage (or show on screen) some return fire into the defensive guns, we see some teleports and boarding, so I guess taking Atlantis mainly intact explains it.

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » 2005-02-02 03:26pm

Meest wrote: The defense seemed plausible but they gotta chill on the hand held guns even attempting to fire and do damage on "spacecraft". I guess the Wraith fall under vunerable to that, they didn't even manage (or show on screen) some return fire into the defensive guns, we see some teleports and boarding, so I guess taking Atlantis mainly intact explains it.

Seemed like they were taking great care in doing that actually, with even damaged Wraith Fighters that were in the process of burning up actually maneuvering to make sure that they didn't hit the buildings of Atlantis and crashing on the water, though obviously (the 20-30) some did some damage, but it didn't seem extensive at all.

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