SG1 "Moeibus Pt I", SGA "The Siege Pt I"

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-20 02:24am

Aya wrote:
ggs wrote:
Old Plympto wrote:Wow. Look at that attrition rate. It's a wonder SG-1's roster has *relatively* remained intact for 8 years or so.
Personal in the SGC itself has a fairly nasty attrition rate and the equipmenet fairs worst.

You have to wonder how the Stargate-verse USA government manages to hid that much loss of life and equipment.
Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.

IIRC, the Stargate program costs the US goverrnment over $1 billion.

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » 2005-03-20 02:43am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Aya wrote:
ggs wrote: Personal in the SGC itself has a fairly nasty attrition rate and the equipmenet fairs worst.

You have to wonder how the Stargate-verse USA government manages to hid that much loss of life and equipment.
Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.
IIRC, the Stargate program costs the US goverrnment over $1 billion.

Actually, its $7 Billion. But that number was in the earlier seasons. The funding would've undoubtedly gone up in the time in between.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-20 02:53am

Isn't the actor who played Ra dead or on drugs or something?

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-03-20 03:06am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Aya wrote:
ggs wrote: Personal in the SGC itself has a fairly nasty attrition rate and the equipmenet fairs worst.

You have to wonder how the Stargate-verse USA government manages to hid that much loss of life and equipment.
Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.
IIRC, the Stargate program costs the US goverrnment over $1 billion.

I meant Iraq could help explain the loss of life. That or they just claim there was a helicopter or plane accident.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-20 03:12am

There's so many "training accidents" as well as "your husband died on a classified mission in Central America" that it wouldn't be hard.

You know what would be awesome? If there was a Stargate Memorial room/wall somewhere in the mountain with everyone's name on it. I bet there's two scrape marks for the times Daniel has died

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2005-03-20 04:44am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Isn't the actor who played Ra dead or on drugs or something?

he's just not acting anymore, no ones going into any more detail than that as far as i can find.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-03-20 04:46am

Aya wrote:Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.

I doubt Stargate-verse USA invaded Iraq. Stuff like the columbia space shuttle dieing during re-entry we know didnt happen, and from the sounds of it, the whole 9/11 thing didnt happen either.

If 9/11 didnt happen, it is highly unlikely that Iraq was invaded. If nothing else, Stargate-verse USA has had a competent administration for at least 8 years.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-20 06:20am

ggs wrote:
Aya wrote:Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.
I doubt Stargate-verse USA invaded Iraq. Stuff like the columbia space shuttle dieing during re-entry we know didnt happen, and from the sounds of it, the whole 9/11 thing didnt happen either.

If 9/11 didnt happen, it is highly unlikely that Iraq was invaded. If nothing else, Stargate-verse USA has had a competent administration for at least 8 years.

*cracks knuckles*
Keep politics FAR away from Stargate threads, good sir.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-20 07:07am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Isn't the actor who played Ra dead or on drugs or something?

There are no records of Jaye Davidson's death I am aware of, he simply retired. He did get a million dollars for playing Ra after all, and while I, being a fan, would probably offer to cameo in SG1 for free, I don't even know if he would be contacted on the matter.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-20 07:14am

ggs wrote:Yup, it was another planet in the solar system, and it wasnt very Earth-like at all.

Also puddlejumper's deceleration is incredible, they went from orbital speeds(or what ever speed they pull when going from land->orbit) to a complete stop through the gate in less than a metre or so.

You're assuming that isn't equipment in the gateroom, analogours to nets on aircraft carriers. It doesn't demonstrate that kind of decelleration of accelleration anywhere but the gateroom, so I would say it is.

Plus with the interia manipulation technology we know the puddlejumpers have, this will significantly distort the relevance of any acceleration figures we can derive.

Which is just as well, because even if the sattellite were several AUs away, it's accelleration is far inferior to a Death Glider's.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-03-20 08:52am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:*cracks knuckles*
Keep politics FAR away from Stargate threads, good sir.

We know the political landscape in Stargate is very different to the real-world USA. For example the election cycles dont match, and the economic preasure the Stargate program would have to place on the USA government's budget should make them considerably more hesitant at committing themselves to any major troop deployments.

NecronLord wrote:You're assuming that isn't equipment in the gateroom, analogours to nets on aircraft carriers. It doesn't demonstrate that kind of decelleration of accelleration anywhere but the gateroom, so I would say it is.

That makes sense.

Which is just as well, because even if the sattellite were several AUs away, it's accelleration is far inferior to a Death Glider's

I like to think the puddle-jumper as a glorified taxi, it probably isnt the best example of what Ancient technology can do.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-03-20 09:33am

The puddle-jumper is a glorified taxi. It serves just about the same purpose as a runabout, to transfer small groups of people through the Stargate to wherever they're needed.

NecronLord wrote:There are no records of Jaye Davidson's death I am aware of, he simply retired. He did get a million dollars for playing Ra after all, and while I, being a fan, would probably offer to cameo in SG1 for free, I don't even know if he would be contacted on the matter.

IMDb says he's working as a fashion assistant in London.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-03-20 09:42am

A fashion assistant. Ironic, considering his role as a Goa'uld- the race whoose dominant personality trait is "style-monger"- and his hatred for his film costume.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-03-20 10:11am

Vympel wrote:A fashion assistant. Ironic, considering his role as a Goa'uld- the race whoose dominant personality trait is "style-monger"- and his hatred for his film costume.

They had to work around his nipple rings because he refused to take them out

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-20 10:24am

Dalton wrote:They had to work around his nipple rings because he refused to take them out

I now have the image of the Supreme System Lord with little sun-icons like the necklace hanging from his pierced nipples fimly lodged in my brain.

I like to think the puddle-jumper as a glorified taxi, it probably isnt the best example of what Ancient technology can do.

Ah yes, but it does mean that Wraith Darts (engines roughly on a par with the Jumper's) are vastly inferior in the engine department to Death Gliders, and probably 302s.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-20 10:28am

Incidentally, curious, why did he dislike the Ra costumes? I thought they were generally cool.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-03-20 10:54am

NecronLord wrote:Incidentally, curious, why did he dislike the Ra costumes? I thought they were generally cool.

Presumably they were uncomfortable.

NecronLord wrote:I now have the image of the Supreme System Lord with little sun-icons like the necklace hanging from his pierced nipples fimly lodged in my brain.

Would have been cooler if they were naqadah-powered lasers...nipple beams activate!

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2005-03-20 11:37am

ggs wrote:I doubt Stargate-verse USA invaded Iraq. Stuff like the columbia space shuttle dieing during re-entry we know didnt happen, and from the sounds of it, the whole 9/11 thing didnt happen either.

If 9/11 didnt happen, it is highly unlikely that Iraq was invaded. If nothing else, Stargate-verse USA has had a competent administration for at least 8 years.

We know the Columbia didn't explode? It was never explicitly stated. Hammond explicitly stated 9/11 happened in an episode sometime last season.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-03-20 12:50pm

Nephilim wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Aya wrote: Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.
IIRC, the Stargate program costs the US goverrnment over $1 billion.
nitpick: 7 billion is over 1 billion

Actually, its $7 Billion. But that number was in the earlier seasons. The funding would've undoubtedly gone up in the time in between.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-03-20 01:12pm

ggs wrote:
Aya wrote:Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.
I doubt Stargate-verse USA invaded Iraq. Stuff like the columbia space shuttle dieing during re-entry we know didnt happen, and from the sounds of it, the whole 9/11 thing didnt happen either.

If 9/11 didnt happen, it is highly unlikely that Iraq was invaded. If nothing else, Stargate-verse USA has had a competent administration for at least 8 years.

If 911 didn't happen, then how come Sheppard has combat hours in Afganistan and lost friends there as well?

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-03-20 01:18pm

Alyeska wrote:
ggs wrote:
Aya wrote:Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.
I doubt Stargate-verse USA invaded Iraq. Stuff like the columbia space shuttle dieing during re-entry we know didnt happen, and from the sounds of it, the whole 9/11 thing didnt happen either.

If 9/11 didnt happen, it is highly unlikely that Iraq was invaded. If nothing else, Stargate-verse USA has had a competent administration for at least 8 years.
If 911 didn't happen, then how come Sheppard has combat hours in Afganistan and lost friends there as well?

Covert missions? But then he wouldn't be talking about it, so yeah, I'd tend to agree with you there. That leaves Iraq open to debate, though...

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-03-20 01:31pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
ggs wrote: I doubt Stargate-verse USA invaded Iraq. Stuff like the columbia space shuttle dieing during re-entry we know didnt happen, and from the sounds of it, the whole 9/11 thing didnt happen either.

If 9/11 didnt happen, it is highly unlikely that Iraq was invaded. If nothing else, Stargate-verse USA has had a competent administration for at least 8 years.
If 911 didn't happen, then how come Sheppard has combat hours in Afganistan and lost friends there as well?
Covert missions? But then he wouldn't be talking about it, so yeah, I'd tend to agree with you there. That leaves Iraq open to debate, though...

Umm...why not? The only person in that room who was real was Teyla and who's she gonna tell?

Anyhoo I'm pretty sure there have been americans fighting in afganistan before the war on terror. SHep could have fought in one of those.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-03-20 02:02pm

Crazedwraith wrote: Anyhoo I'm pretty sure there have been americans fighting in afganistan before the war on terror. SHep could have fought in one of those.

That was during Rambo III.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-03-20 02:04pm

Crazedwraith wrote: Anyhoo I'm pretty sure there have been americans fighting in afganistan before the war on terror. SHep could have fought in one of those.

Shep piloted a helicopter, IIRC. That's just a little above and beyond what most covert operatives do...

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-03-20 02:21pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
ggs wrote:
Aya wrote:Well, I guess Iraq could help. If that had happened in the SGverse too.
I doubt Stargate-verse USA invaded Iraq. Stuff like the columbia space shuttle dieing during re-entry we know didnt happen, and from the sounds of it, the whole 9/11 thing didnt happen either.

If 9/11 didnt happen, it is highly unlikely that Iraq was invaded. If nothing else, Stargate-verse USA has had a competent administration for at least 8 years.
*cracks knuckles*
Keep politics FAR away from Stargate threads, good sir.

But the mental image of the Prometheus appearing over Baghdad while F-302's do strafing runs is just delicious.