Modern tank vs Mobile Suit, serious calcs included.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-12-07 08:16am

If you can paint over the reflect then why not? I mean don you need training to use a beam shield?

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-09 01:58pm

MKSheppard wrote:
SAMAS wrote: Neither. Give them a Beam Shield, and let the use that.
A massive thing that needs to be swung around? Shit, you haven't even
answered our questions why Zeon/Federation likes to put forth stuff in
shiny crap, instead of Olive Drab....

Well let's see...

Zaku I -- Well, lookie here! Olive Drab!

Zaku II -- Same here! Geez man, this is the most basic Gundam knowledge there is!

Gundam -- The original Prototype was black and dark grey. The bright colors of the Gundams at Side 7 were because it was a demonstration model, not intended to see actual combat yet. The same Gundam was the only one to see actual combat, and that spent most of the war as a decoy.

Dom/Rick Dom -- Black and Dull grey.

GM -- Dull white and red in Space. Ground-use GMs had brown instead of white.

Gelgoog -- Olive Drab and Dark Grey.

Um... what was the accusation again?

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-09 02:02pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:If you can paint over the reflect then why not? I mean don you need training to use a beam shield?

How much training do you think you'll need to put a shield of any type between you and the enemy's shots?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-09 02:07pm

And the Type-100 was intended to be a symbol as well. It's gold and blue color was an insult to the Titans, whose enemies could operate right under their nose.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-12-09 04:55pm

SAMAS wrote:How much training do you think you'll need to put a shield of any type between you and the enemy's shots?

Quite a bit, if the shots are moving at any sort of high velocity.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-12-09 04:59pm

SAMAS wrote:Gundam -- The original Prototype was black and dark grey. The bright colors of the Gundams at Side 7 were because it was a demonstration model, not intended to see actual combat yet. The same Gundam was the only one to see actual combat, and that spent most of the war as a decoy.

Still stupid, and even stupider that the Zeon were fooled into concentrating resources onto a single target.

Dom/Rick Dom -- Black and Dull grey.

Unless it's for night and space fighting, stupid. Black and dull gray sticks out like a sore thumb on almost every terrain type that an AFV is likely to operate in. It's sometimes good enough in urban terrain, but camoflauging a mobile suit in urban terrain is like putting applique armor on a Panzer-I.

GM -- Dull white and red in Space.

Stupid. Should be black or dull gray.

Ground-use GMs had brown instead of white.

Not quite so bad.

So they're not total morons, they're merely idiots.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-09 05:03pm

That's why Lesson 2 of MS training is: Not Getting Hit.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-09 05:03pm

Then why make a shield instead of coating the entire thing?

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-09 05:10pm

Because, as I said before, Anti-Beam Coatings are very, very expensive!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-12-09 05:12pm

SAMAS wrote:Because, as I said before, Anti-Beam Coatings are very, very expensive!

So is Chobham armor, dumbass.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-09 05:14pm

SAMAS wrote:Because, as I said before, Anti-Beam Coatings are very, very expensive!

Logically the solution would be to build something with a fucking smaller target profile and then cover that in the coating. What has a smaller profile and a dozen other advantages? Why a tank of course.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-09 05:15pm

I see instead of using a few superior armor...we'll have inferior pieces with shield that stop only when connected but require more training thus in overall usage we have to train pilots to use garbage.

Hmm I wonder what is better in the long run...something only needs repair...or something that needs to be rebuilt?

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-09 05:17pm

I just realized what you were asking.

You got the situation wrong.

The Anti-Beam coating was primarily used in Official Gundam Canon in the MSN-00100 Hyaku Shiki in Zeta Gundam, which was a full-body coating, and the LM314V24 Victory 2 Assault Gundam in Victory Gundam, which only had a few areas with the Coating.

A Beam Shield is essentially a Beam Sword arranged into several wide plates.

Here's a Mobile Suit with a Beam Shield

The shield is the projection on it's arm.

And here is the shield activated.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-12-09 05:19pm

delete...

Now now, Shep, let's not post if we haven't anything but curses. I can see where you're coming from, though.
~Pablo

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-12-09 05:46pm

As I see it, this discussion is concluded, tanks win. Unless anyone has a reason to continue, I'm going to close it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-09 05:55pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:As I see it, this discussion is concluded, tanks win. Unless anyone has a reason to continue, I'm going to close it.

Tanks won 40 pages ago. I see no point to this.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-12-09 07:06pm

Alright.

Thread suppressed for Reactionary Tendencies.