Team Manga vs Team Comic

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 10:32pm

As for cosmologies

Image: at least three popular variants of God/Satan...etc...with the possiblity of at least 35+(since each title is a seperate and different universe as per the original mandate of Image)

DH: At least around 25+(same ridiculous mandate saying each book is it's own seperate universe)

Crossgen: 3

Black Bull: 2

So wuhoo...I can have around 90+ God/Satans...and this proves what again aside from who's geek level is bigger.

In the end all you're doing is saying "I like Sky Pixie more."

...and?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-05 10:41pm

Ask people in America about Japanese manga? You HAVE lost it. Mainstream depends one where it's originated! I'm sure Americian comics are not considered mainstream in Somolia as well!

BTW, does God/Satan actually APPEAR?? I could claim that a God/Satan/Buddha/Shinto whatever appears in every manga out there, but unless they actually SHOW themselves, I can't claim there is a God/Satan in, say, the "Boys Before Flowers" manga.

So do they?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 10:44pm

Yes, they do...in the classic imagery.

I mean out and out the classic fallback for any Hero is to face the Devil in vying for his soul and win ala Captain Kirk style.

Thus having said that...you like Sky Pixie...and feel good about it since Sky Pixie is just as good as anything else.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-05 10:55pm

So Comics = 90 Universe-level beings. Very nice.

Lord of Nightmares = MULTIverse-level being. As in, she rules over an infinitely many number of alternate universes.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-05 11:01pm

Either way, nothing really changes. Going only mainstream, OR going for everything under the sun. The fact remains that the sheer amount of Manga universes vs. amount of US cosmologies is staggering.

Consider that
1) More manga is published at any given time than comics
2) Most manga are in diffrent continuities, while comics tend to share continuies more.

That means, more manga than comics.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 11:12pm

Sigh...

Yippee...so Multiversal is supposed to be better how?!

It's still one single arena

A being of creation vs another being of creation vying for power...you done yet?

And as for the Manga vs Comics...to say more Manga than all comics(under the sun) is just complete wanking because you really have no idea how many small publishers are out there and presuming there just cannot be enough.

Mainstream yes...all under the sun...okay whatever...prove to me they are more Manga producers than all the small publishers in the US.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-05 11:15pm

Tetsuo(sp)m From akira. I know he was in a manga with all the telekinesis before a movie was made. but I dont know when, or if it ever was realeased in the US.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 11:18pm

Yeah Dark Horse brought it out after Marvel did(6 300+ page volumes for DH, Marvel did it in 30+ Graphic novels...though I believe they fudged a bit)...both in very large book format.

I have no idea about translation but it's a good story.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-05 11:48pm

He is Uber munchkinish my my standards, that is saying a lot.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-06 12:05am

Darth_Shinji wrote:
Cyril wrote:Well, the Living Tribunal IS omnipotent.
No he is not. He can be equaled and outsmarted. Plus he works for someone.

Someone's the Lords of Chaos and Order (Just to regulate their disputes)

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-06 12:53am

Lords of Chaos and Order are DC super-just below God's level- Beings. Dr. Fate and Mordru are two of that ilk.

And in Marvel there is a Lord Order and Master Chaos...but they are subservient to the Living Tribunal.

For Living Tribunal, he is for all nuances supreme...given he cannot be winked out of existence and can nullify things such as the Infinity Gauntlet.

Whom he refers to as the supreme one is probably God but given that Marvel never wants to use the G-word to offend fundies and morons...we are left to assume many things...such as stock holders, Stan Lee...etc.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-06 02:38am

It is estimated that there are around 3000 professional manga artists in Japan. All of these individuals have published at least one volume of manga, but most of them make their living as assistants to famous manga artists or have some other supplementary source of income.

The core of the manga publishing industry consists of some 13 weekly manga magazines published by the major publishers alone, along with 10 biweeklies, and approximately twenty influential monthlies.
http://www.dnp.co.jp/museum/nmp/nmp_i/a ... anga1.html
Note that, as opposed to regular comics, each bi-weekly contains several series at once, each in a diffrent universe.

How's THAT for volume.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-06 07:58am

Oh wait I remembered a few things that screw DC over. We already have a character that killed the biblical God (Angel Santcaury).... so I guess DC is kinda screwed on that...

Also TLT is not a true ompinent.... ertenitity with the IG was stated by TlT to maybe surpasse him. Also it is unknown who would win if TLT and the wearer of the IG went to war. TLT claimed he was superior... which Adam Warlock in ompinent mode stated has never been proven and TLT did stated that such a war would be fatal to the universe.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-06 10:56am

Actually he nullified the Infinity Gauntlet.

I mean he couldn't be erased, by it...though it did pose a threat which is why he got rid of it.

As for DC...Preacher does not count because it is not a part of DC continuity...thus the Saint of Killers is not a viable option.

13 weekly books...several books each.

Okay so per say they produce about 260 books per say(1 story= 1 book)?

So far you've given large number but basically exclaimed there's volume.

DC, Marvel and Image produces...about 241 new stories(Diamond Catalog for the Month of December) not including about 300-400 extras they print...monthly.

Your point?

We can keep this number yabbering but I doubt it's going to sway who likes Manga and who likes comics.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-06 12:44pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Actually he nullified the Infinity Gauntlet.

I mean he couldn't be erased, by it...though it did pose a threat which is why he got rid of it.

As for DC...Preacher does not count because it is not a part of DC continuity...thus the Saint of Killers is not a viable option.

Yes... but TLT locking it when no one was using it is akin to taking the bullets out of a gun.... doesn't mean the gun couldn't kill you in anothers hand.

And I'm not sure what you mean by saint of killers.... I was talking about a manga. I know the basics of it, but what do you mean not a viable option?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-06 12:59pm

Ah...my mistake(true missed the Angel Sanctuary)

well for DC they created a being who killed God(yes the biblical god...)

But only in a off shot series called Preacher. What I thought you were saying is that Preacher is proof that God can be killed in mainstream DCU...not using another source persay.

As for that...who knows...though I have problems with something killing something that is usually defined as all powerful...but eh...writers are writers and this stuff is supposed to be good.

As for beings killing God, eh...happens almost daily, seriously...I'm still trying to ponder how the hell Superman pushed a planet or flew through nothing(OWAW and Zero Hour)...but I digress.

As to Infinity Gauntlet...true he did nullify it, but he also was not erased by it...which in some ways says that he is at least on par with it.

My only problem is that Marvel since then has defined him somehow on the scale of only Spectre(DC vs Marvel #4) as they tried to dissuade the two brothers. Spectre while incredibly powerful is dwarfed by some more powerful beings(though it varies writer to writer...at time he's badder ass than anything in the universe...other times he's barely above an archangel)

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-06 01:47pm

True about the Spectre, TLT power thing... DC and marvel both are constantly changing the power levels of these guys. And crossovers... who knows who is going to beat who in the next crossover.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-12-06 03:54pm

you people need to go to asia and see how much manga there really exist......

anyway, even Doraemon can beat you all :p

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2002-12-06 03:57pm

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DC, Marvel and Image produces...about 241 new stories(Diamond Catalog for the Month of December) not including about 300-400 extras they print...monthly.

Your point?
[/quote]Those three companies have nearly every title they in the same exact universe from the asnine number of crossovers done within the last ten years.

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Currald · Post by **Currald** » 2002-12-06 04:19pm

The volume argument (and I'm sure that there are far more manga than American comics) only applies if you think that 3 omnipotent beings are somehow more powerful than 1 omnipotent being. Is infinity*3 > infinity? Not really.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-06 07:45pm

Actually, in terms of abstract math there are some infinities that are more than others. For example, take the value lim (x->inf.) of x/(2*x). The answer is, according to mathmaticians, 1/2. However, strictly multiplying it out, you get inf/(2*inf). Despite the top and bottom both being "infinity" the denominator is still twice that of the numerator. When you take calculus and learn about limits, they'll explain it a bit better.

Cosmic Average · Post by **Cosmic Average** » 2002-12-17 11:16am

The Living Tribunal rules over an INFINITE number of universes. He didn't want to fight the IG weilder because the fight would have destroyed that particular universe, which would have caused an imbalance in the multi-verse.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-17 01:20pm

Cosmic Average wrote:The Living Tribunal rules over an INFINITE number of universes. He didn't want to fight the IG weilder because the fight would have destroyed that particular universe, which would have caused an imbalance in the multi-verse.

Nope.... were did you get that from? TLT is a servant of the one above all, and is well the judge of affairs of cosmic impotance in the marvel universe (Infinity Gauntlet).

Cosmic Average · Post by **Cosmic Average** » 2002-12-17 01:36pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:
Cosmic Average wrote:The Living Tribunal rules over an INFINITE number of universes. He didn't want to fight the IG weilder because the fight would have destroyed that particular universe, which would have caused an imbalance in the multi-verse.
Nope.... were did you get that from? TLT is a servant of the one above all, and is well the judge of affairs of cosmic impotance in the marvel universe (Infinity Gauntlet).

1. Eternity is the embodiment of the entire Marvel main universe. He is subservient to the LT.

2. The One Above All has never been shown.

3. You know the 'What If' series? Well, in a sense, the entire thing is cannon due to the fact that there's an infinite number of universes- all of them kept in balance by the LT. The LT has sealed off universes away from the rest of the multiverse in order to ensure cosmic balance.