Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny discussion

Nerem · Post by **Nerem** » 2007-04-07 12:34pm

Okay, so double post. And off-topic but... I love how the unit desinger of the OYW stuff (and pretty much most Gundam stuff) went on the record to say that the Ball, the Mobile Coffin of the UC-verse, was incredibly dangerous despite its lack of armor and mobility, simply because it had a high sensor range, a powerful cannon, and an insane acceleration unmatched by anything for a long time.

Warsie · Post by **Warsie** » 2007-04-07 12:43pm

Nerem wrote:It was nice to see in SEED Stargazer that tanks can indeed fuck over an MS...

Wait....they showed that at JOSH-A too.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-04-07 12:46pm

Nerem wrote:If by 'relatively fresh' you mean 'ripped off of Fukuda's earlier classic, Cyber Formula, right down to Hyper Mode and turning gold', sure! Well, it wasn't a bad show, and had some fun things. I'm currently heavily enjoying SEED and SEED Destiny (Up until the overly rushed ending, UGH).

Actually, Gundam on the whole has a reason for close-range battles - especially UC Gundam, which has the Minovsky Particles, which reduce 'sensor' range to nil. So unless you want visual-only starfighter battles, or space tank battles... Mobile Suits aren't a bad idea.

It was nice to see in SEED Stargazer that tanks can indeed fuck over an MS...

By "fresh" I mean it didn't simply do a Mobile Suit clone. . .like 99% of the AU.

Shinn Langley Soryu · Post by **Shinn Langley Soryu** » 2007-04-07 07:57pm

Warsie wrote:
Nerem wrote:It was nice to see in SEED Stargazer that tanks can indeed fuck over an MS...
Wait....they showed that at JOSH-A too.

There's nothing like seeing GINNs and BuCUEs get ass-raped by Linear Tanks. That'll show the mecha fanboys who's boss.

However, seeing as JOSH-A was merely a combination delaying action/trap, the few Eurasian Alliance tankers who were left to guard the base were fucked from the get-go. Had OMNI Enforcer's strategy been different, the Battle of JOSH-A could have demonstrated once and for all that the tank is still a viable ground weapon even in the age of the mobile suit.

What I really wanted to see, however, was a dogfight between F-7D Spearheads, FX-550 Skygraspers, and AMF-101 DINNs. A dedicated air superiority craft should be more than able to ass-rape what basically amounts to a GINN hastily converted to aerial combat duty. In addition, Spearheads could've been able to intercept ZAFT's aerial transports and mobile suit drop pods before they landed; however, the few Spearhead squadrons in action at JOSH-A were in the same quandary as the Linear Tank crews.

Warsie · Post by **Warsie** » 2007-04-07 08:22pm

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:There's nothing like seeing GINNs and BuCUEs get ass-raped by Linear Tanks. That'll show the mecha fanboys who's boss.

heh....Yeah. The BuCUEs were the fast lobster-like things with claws. The scene where the BuCUEs run all fast, literally tear up some tanks, then get shot in the head/etc. heh.

EDIT: no, the BuCUEs were the mobile suits which were like weasels, heh. I don't remember those getting shot....then again, I only have the 3-movie version of GS with me now.

However, seeing as JOSH-A was merely a combination delaying action/trap, the few Eurasian Alliance tankers who were left to guard the base were fucked from the get-go.

Yeah. "Smash those Zauts into oblivion!!". "Focus on the BuCUEs"

*boom, as the tank has its' head cut off and blows up*

Yeah, even though it was a trap, the Alliance troops there were very competent and valiant, even with "the rug pulled out from them" and inflicted decent losses.

Had OMNI Enforcer's strategy been different, the Battle of JOSH-A could have demonstrated once and for all that the tank is still a viable ground weapon even in the age of the mobile suit.

Heh...but if the strategy was different, I believe there would be Daggers defending JOSH-A; they were being built at Heaven's Base already I believe.

What I really wanted to see, however, was a dogfight between F-7D Spearheads, FX-550 Skygraspers, and AMF-101 DINNs. A dedicated air superiority craft should be more than able to ass-rape what basically amounts to a GINN hastily converted to aerial combat duty.

They did show that at JOSH-A. The EAF fighters were easily shot down; not being as maneuverable.

In addition, Spearheads could've been able to intercept ZAFT's aerial transports and mobile suit drop pods before they landed; however, the few Spearhead squadrons in action at JOSH-A were in the same quandary as the Linear Tank crews.

Yeah; they were tricked and first noticed the ground assault troops before the air/space forces dropped out.\

Shinn Langley Soryu · Post by **Shinn Langley Soryu** » 2007-04-07 08:41pm

heh....Yeah. The BuCUEs were the fast lobster-like things with claws. The scene where the BuCUEs run all fast, literally tear up some tanks, then get shot in the head/etc. heh.

The lobster-like mobile suits with the claws were UMF-5 ZnOs. Those things are obviously optimized for aquatic combat, but it's still fun to see them get their heads blown off by tanks when they're on land nonetheless.

Heh...but if the strategy was different, I believe there would be Daggers defending JOSH-A; they were being built at Heaven's Base already I believe.

I'm not sure about the Strike Dagger already being in production at the time of Operation Spitbreak, but if OMNI Enforcer could've gotten a few squads of them to assist in JOSH-A's defence, then so be it.

They did show that at JOSH-A. The EAF fighters were easily shot down; not being as maneuverable.

I really need to rewatch that part to confirm; my memory's a bit fuzzy in regards to the air battle over JOSH-A.

There was an Earth Alliance pilot named Edward Harrelson who managed to use the wing of his Spearhead to tear a DINN in half. The incident obviously didn't occur at JOSH-A, but feel free to interpret it as you wish.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-07 11:08pm

General Zod wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:More AU's are fine if done right (as in G and X). A common thought I've seen on the net is that any new UC series will be awesome, just as its UC. What's to stop them doing a story where the 4 Victory 3 Gundam prototypes are stolen, and an angsty young newtype ends up thrust into the cockpit of the Liberty Gundam and ends up fighting his friend?
It doesn't, but UC in general has a better track record than the AU. As for G, I want to watch mecha anime not Super Robot anime, X on the other hand is rather decent. I like UC not because it's UC, but because even the 'villains' are sympathetic, for example the pilots flying the Luggun in one of the earlier parts of Gundam, people like Ramba Ral, Aina Sahalin, Norris Packard, that tank commander from 08th MS, the Cyclops Team, Reccoa, Char Aznable, Lalah, Ple and Ple 2, Four, Rosamia. SEED had a total of ONE sympathetic villain in Andy, Destiny had a total of two.

If you went to watch G Gundam expecting a non super robot anime show, then frankly you're dumb.

No what I'm saying is, I don't really like super robot anime, which is why I don't like it.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-07 11:11pm

Nerem wrote:If by 'relatively fresh' you mean 'ripped off of Fukuda's earlier classic, Cyber Formula, right down to Hyper Mode and turning gold', sure! Well, it wasn't a bad show, and had some fun things. I'm currently heavily enjoying SEED and SEED Destiny (Up until the overly rushed ending, UGH).

Guess whom you can blame for both of those, Fukuda's nepotism and his wife.

Warsie · Post by **Warsie** » 2007-04-08 12:08pm

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:The lobster-like mobile suits with the claws were UMF-5 ZnOs. Those things are obviously optimized for aquatic combat, but it's still fun to see them get their heads blown off by tanks when they're on land nonetheless.

Heh.

I'm not sure about the Strike Dagger already being in production at the time of Operation Spitbreak, but if OMNI Enforcer could've gotten a few squads of them to assist in JOSH-A's defence, then so be it.

Okay.

I really need to rewatch that part to confirm; my memory's a bit fuzzy in regards to the air battle over JOSH-A.

There was an Earth Alliance pilot named Edward Harrelson who managed to use the wing of his Spearhead to tear a DINN in half. The incident obviously didn't occur at JOSH-A, but feel free to interpret it as you wish.

"Obviously"

Some Alliance craft (other than Archangel) did escape the battle; they were probably far away or heeded Kira's warning.

And Harrelson was different....well, supposedly he was a 'normal' fighter pilot, but when he was piloting Mobile Suits, he gained the reputation of cutting ZAFT mobile suits into pieces, such 'Ed The Ripper'

Nerem · Post by **Nerem** » 2007-04-08 04:25pm

General Schatten wrote:
Nerem wrote:If by 'relatively fresh' you mean 'ripped off of Fukuda's earlier classic, Cyber Formula, right down to Hyper Mode and turning gold', sure! Well, it wasn't a bad show, and had some fun things. I'm currently heavily enjoying SEED and SEED Destiny (Up until the overly rushed ending, UGH).
Guess whom you can blame for both of those, Fukuda's nepotism and his wife.

Nope, I don't really blame either, since his 'neptoism' has been around for... pretty much all of his shows, and the vast majority have been famous and successful. The celebrated GEAR Fighter Dendoh was written by his wife as well, and it wasn't rushed at all. And neither were his earlier shows, which seems to suggest that problems weren't with him and his wife, but with others.

Nerem · Post by **Nerem** » 2007-04-08 04:26pm

Gar, I forgot to get this other part: Actually, Ed got his nickname from using his fighter to do that. The nickname more came from the 'blood' that was left on his fighter when it returned. He never really piloted anything with wings except for that one Raider Full Spec.

Warsie · Post by **Warsie** » 2007-04-08 08:40pm

Nerem wrote:Gar, I forgot to get this other part: Actually, Ed got his nickname from using his fighter to do that. The nickname more came from the 'blood' that was left on his fighter when it returned. He never really piloted anything with wings except for that one Raider Full Spec.

Yeah, I noticed that later, thanks. Odd, considering how he is a nice person.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-09 03:38am

Nerem wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Nerem wrote:If by 'relatively fresh' you mean 'ripped off of Fukuda's earlier classic, Cyber Formula, right down to Hyper Mode and turning gold', sure! Well, it wasn't a bad show, and had some fun things. I'm currently heavily enjoying SEED and SEED Destiny (Up until the overly rushed ending, UGH).
Guess whom you can blame for both of those, Fukuda's nepotism and his wife.
Nope, I don't really blame either, since his 'neptoism' has been around for... pretty much all of his shows, and the vast majority have been famous and successful. The celebrated GEAR Fighter Dendoh was written by his wife as well, and it wasn't rushed at all. And neither were his earlier shows, which seems to suggest that problems weren't with him and his wife, but with others.

Fukuda's wife on multiple occasions failed to do her job, which lead to entire clip episodes more than once, it felt rushed because it WAS rushed, she'd get it done at the very last minute or very late, which would cause other people to have to rush.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-04-09 07:34pm

General Schatten wrote:
Nerem wrote:
General Schatten wrote: Guess whom you can blame for both of those, Fukuda's nepotism and his wife.
Nope, I don't really blame either, since his 'neptoism' has been around for... pretty much all of his shows, and the vast majority have been famous and successful. The celebrated GEAR Fighter Dendoh was written by his wife as well, and it wasn't rushed at all. And neither were his earlier shows, which seems to suggest that problems weren't with him and his wife, but with others.
Fukuda's wife on multiple occasions failed to do her job, which lead to entire clip episodes more than once, it felt rushed because it WAS rushed, she'd get it done at the very last minute or very late, which would cause other people to have to rush.

Do you have links to articles where Morosawa Chiaki is described as engaging in such behavior? (I'm just curious about how bad the situation was.)

Nerem · Post by **Nerem** » 2007-04-10 07:23pm

Actually, that's only been unsubstantiated rumors, which I personally don't believe. (also, the animator was horrible, and the show suffered from a surprisingly low budget.) The animator is also the guy who said most of the 'Fukuda's wife sucks!!!' stuff. Even though he certainly was no bed of roses from his constant stock footage reusing. Which is why I don't honestly trust his word.

Vehrec · Post by **Vehrec** » 2007-04-10 10:02pm

Warsie wrote:
What I really wanted to see, however, was a dogfight between F-7D Spearheads, FX-550 Skygraspers, and AMF-101 DINNs. A dedicated air superiority craft should be more than able to ass-rape what basically amounts to a GINN hastily converted to aerial combat duty.
They did show that at JOSH-A. The EAF fighters were easily shot down; not being as maneuverable.

Well, what ever happened to 'Boom And Zoom'? If you can't outmaneuver, Out accelerate. Use pure speed to prevent the enemy from ever getting a chance to use his turning skill on you. If you can't do either, cuss out your inferior gear and get creative.

Warsie · Post by **Warsie** » 2007-04-11 05:36pm

Vehrec wrote:Well, what ever happened to 'Boom And Zoom'? If you can't outmaneuver, Out accelerate. Use pure speed to prevent the enemy from ever getting a chance to use his turning skill on you. If you can't do either, cuss out your inferior gear and get creative.

That's interesting, but then again could they be able to fight then (like, at JOSH-A where Alliance Fighters probably were atrafing ground mobile suits as well?