The Yeerks vs. Genestealer Hybrids!!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-01-08 05:12am

Well, I originally thought of this match as the Yeerks vs. the SGAs (Stereotypical Grey Aliens), but given that it was to much to pit the Yeerks against all aliens which could be shoehorned into the SGA decscription,* I decided that it should not be a so one-sided match...

Now, it's a contest between the Yeerks and their Warhammer 40K equivalent... the Genestealer Hybrids!!

Well, the deal with Genestealer Hybrids are: The "purestrain" genestealers (Six-armed, reptile-like monstrosities), who are the vanguard of the vast Tyranid hivefleets (the Tyranids are your average biotech-using Evil Insects From Outer Space**), infect humans, causing the human's offspring to be not humans, but human-genestealer hybrids. However, the Genestealer Hybrids' parents are usually fanatically dedicated to their children and do their best to keep them hidden from the authorities, often by means of congregating in secluded, Genestealer-worshipping cults masquerading as ordinary new-age religious movements. The Genestealer Cults' purpose, is of course, to take over planets in a more insidious way than the usual hammer-to-the-forehead tactics used by the Tyranid Hivefleets... of course, when the Imperium of Mankind find out what happens, the Tyranid Hivemind usually dispatches a hive fleet to assist the Genestealer cults... but this isn't necessarily required if the Genestealer Cults also have taken over the Planetary Defence Forces. (but it IS necessary if the Imperium sends Space Marines!)

The Yeerks are familiar to anyone who ever have read an Animorphs novel.

The contest here is NOT about conquering the earth - it's about infiltrating human society - although it's always possible that we will see skirmishes between Genestealer Cults and Yeerk-infested humans

The yeerks usually disguise their earth-conquering schemes as something as humble as school leisure clubs and boy scout organizations, while the Genestealer Hybrids will be far more likely to disguise themselves as religious sects which nobody trust.

(But then again, given the rise of various new age religions, the Genestealer Hybrids may still have a chance...)

I'm not too decided on this. The Yeerks would probably have a foothold in most parts of the world, except for authoritarian states which look down upon everything not controlled by the governments. The Genestealer Hybrids, then again, would be more likely to be succesful in countries which tolerate wacky neo-religious movements. (Which means that they would have lots of problems in France!!)

Don't forget that some of these would have to fight the human states' military.... (which, however, probably will be infiltrated by the Yeerks)

Who are your money on??

*The Kaminoans have an almost endless supply of Clonetroopers, the SGAs from X-com (were they called Sectoids or something like that??), the SGAs from conspiracy theories have the US Army on their side, and the Tau from Warhammer 40K have lots o' sheer firepower. And don't forget the SGAs from CE3K, who probably would annoy the Yeerks to death with their disco music.
**Although Tyranids actually look more like reptiles than insects.

FireNexus · Post by **FireNexus** » 2003-01-08 10:23am

The yeerks win easily, for the same reason that nearly nobody discovered them for the whole time of the novels, and the Andalites had such serious trouble taking them down without destroying a species in the process: An infested being cannot be told from someone who isn't.

You can't tell. they act the same, look the same, are, to even the most specially trained eye, the same. They can infest governments, social organizations, police forces, ANYWHERE, with their only weakness being minor: The need to spend a few hours bathing in Kandrona particles every three days.

Nobody will figure out the Yeerks until it's too late, or until an Andalite fighter crash-lands in an abandoned construction site...

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-08 04:44pm

Damn, I miss the Animorphs. I got up to book #24 or 25 (it was after they had trapped that rouge member on the island as a rat) then starting falling out with the series. Anyone know how it ended?

Anyways, Yeerks take this one easily for the above mentioned reasons

Tatterdemalion · Post by **Tatterdemalion** » 2003-01-08 05:06pm

Assuming competence on both sides (From what animorphs books I've read the Yeerks are prone to being tactical dunces from time to time.) then I'd say...

Well it's kind of difficult, the genestealers would probably win any skirmishes, Drakon beams can't be that big of an advantage in combat if a few kids-turned-animals aren't dead yet, and in terms of shock troops, I haven't seen any instances of Hawk-Bajar rending through tanks, while purestrains do this routinely (and I'm talking about 40k tanks here too, so we can assume they're rending unconventional metals.)

Of course this isn't about skirmishes is it? Well in terms of infiltration, USA shouldn't be any harder for the genestealers to take over than Yeerks, they can just pose as some christain-fundie sect, the US has enough of those, maybe infest a few politicians, while they won't have total control they can get a foot hold easily enough and advance their agenda.( be it more followers for the cult, or destruction of a planets military forces.)

As has been said, more religion-dominated nations, or nations with unstable governments (Most African/Middle-eastern dictatorships) would probably be easier for the stealers, since they've shown a knack for inciting rebellion, and could easily supplement the rebels with their own purestrains to aid against the former governments.
In terms of being able to infiltrate each other... highly unlikely, the Yeerks have aliens with psychic abilities (andalites and leerans) , and the stealers have their brood telepathy. Both would be able to tell if something was rotten. Aquiring infomation on each other would be easier for the yeerks, as a yeerk can just pluck the knowledge from the hosts head though aquiring a host with sufficient knowledge of the cults inner workings would be difficult.

I'd say the Yeerks would probably win this one, simply because they can do everything the stealers can and more, (spaceships, ability to call in off-world reinforcements etc.) even if it got to open fighting the Yeerks could just nuke the earth from orbit (though they'd be loath to kill off so many potential hosts, if they decided the stealers were a sufficient threat wiping them out with extreme tactics wouldn't be too hard.) Of course, come the Hive fleet... okay, better stop rambling before I lose all semblance of sense.

Tatterdemalion · Post by **Tatterdemalion** » 2003-01-08 05:16pm

How about Yeerks verses chaos cults? Much more fun...

FireNexus · Post by **FireNexus** » 2003-01-08 06:37pm

Reach for the sky! This is a thread hijack!

I wonder if perhaps a Yeerk would be able to infest a force user? Hmm...

As far as the series ending: The animorphs eventually found themselves in open war with the Yeerks, as Visser Three pretty much got complete control of the invasion. I'm not sure exactly how it ended, but I know Visser Three got the cube, and Rachel was killed.

I'm fairly certain earth was saved, but I never read #54(The Beginning, the final book) to find out.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-08 07:12pm

0_o

Not Rachel!!!!!!!!

No!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-09 12:30am

OMG. I remember how I used to love that series, but after awhile it got boring. The main strength of the Yeerks is the ability to infiltrate... Without it, they're probably toast.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-09 12:58am

The slight skew with the gene-stealer hybrid/cultist thing is just this....in 40k the best way to blend in with local recreational activities is some wacky religious cult....the entire Imperium of Man is a wacky religious cult......

BlackWarMewtwo · Post by **BlackWarMewtwo** » 2003-01-09 01:39am

Balrog wrote:Damn, I miss the Animorphs. I got up to book #24 or 25 (it was after they had trapped that rouge member on the island as a rat) then starting falling out with the series. Anyone know how it ended?

I read the whole series in a little over a month.

Rachael died because Jake told her to infiltrate his brother's ship and make sure he didn't get away. She killed Tom, but was killed before she could kill anyone else.

Jake flushed 17,000 uninfested Yeerks into space, the remainder were forced to morph into animal shape and stay there.

Visser Three was put in prison IIRC for war crimes, Cassie became a forest ranger, Marco became a media darling, and Ax got immediately promoted to captain.

Ax was abducted by the last remaining Yeerks (Tom's crew), Jake, Tobias, and Marco went with three others to try and rescue Ax, and found some weird, unexplained creature had possessed him. The last paragraph of the book is them deciding to ram the ship the strange Ax creature is on.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-09 02:21am

FireNexus wrote:The yeerks win easily, for the same reason that nearly nobody discovered them for the whole time of the novels, and the Andalites had such serious trouble taking them down without destroying a species in the process: An infested being cannot be told from someone who isn't.

You can't tell. they act the same, look the same, are, to even the most specially trained eye, the same. They can infest governments, social organizations, police forces, ANYWHERE, with their only weakness being minor: The need to spend a few hours bathing in Kandrona particles every three days.

Nobody will figure out the Yeerks until it's too late, or until an Andalite fighter crash-lands in an abandoned construction site...

OTOH there is nothing like the paranoid govenments they have in 40K and also there are hundreds of planets where they aren't discovered. The tryanids biggest advantage is also gone here, namely the more of them there are the more likely it is a hive fleet is on it's way.

FireNexus · Post by **FireNexus** » 2003-01-10 06:27am

My favorite thing about Animorphs had to be the way in which Applegate avoided technobabble. Ax would begin an explanation of how something works, and everyone else would just stare at him, blank eyed, until he stopped. It was priceless, every time.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-01-10 07:53am

FireNexus wrote:Reach for the sky! This is a thread hijack!

I wonder if perhaps a Yeerk would be able to infest a force user? Hmm...

As far as the series ending: The animorphs eventually found themselves in open war with the Yeerks, as Visser Three pretty much got complete control of the invasion. I'm not sure exactly how it ended, but I know Visser Three got the cube, and Rachel was killed.

I'm fairly certain earth was saved, but I never read #54(The Beginning, the final book) to find out.

Yeah, the Earth was saved, the Andalites came as tourists, gave the humans some of their technology.
I got the entire book collection here in my apartment.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-01-10 07:54am

FireNexus wrote:My favorite thing about Animorphs had to be the way in which Applegate avoided technobabble. Ax would begin an explanation of how something works, and everyone else would just stare at him, blank eyed, until he stopped. It was priceless, every time.

Bet the Trekkies didn't like that.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-01-10 09:54am

Captain tycho wrote:
FireNexus wrote:My favorite thing about Animorphs had to be the way in which Applegate avoided technobabble. Ax would begin an explanation of how something works, and everyone else would just stare at him, blank eyed, until he stopped. It was priceless, every time.
Bet the Trekkies didn't like that.

But what about the various ST references in Animorphs??

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-11 02:00am

What about yeerks vs Goa'uld

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-11 02:01am

What about yeerks vs Goa'uld

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