Allspark hits the big apple (RAR!)

[Sidewinder]

The level of being completly and utterly screwed is immense. By the time the Army is mobilized, everone in the radius will have either left or will be killed. The New transformers have two choices.

The either feel regret, and remorse, and we must now with live with an IMMENSE amount of new sapient machines, or, they decided to get rid of the "Fleshlings" and we are SCREWED.

They might do both-- when the Autobots and Decepticons arrive, both sides might find allies on the Earth front.

[Starglider]

We need an 'Allspark hits the HAB' thread. It's been too long since there has been vaguely-credible mecha opposition to crush.

[DPDarkPrimus]

It might have converted completely out of shot. That's what i assumed happened.

The part of the steering wheel that attacked the driver was completely detached. Don't you think if the entire vehicle was meant to be alive other parts of it would have been moving? Doors opening, car shaking from side to side or the like?

It seems inconsistent with the vending machine...

Which immediately transformed and started shooting? Nope.

To rationalize this, I think the technology needs the right sort of circuitry present in it to be converted by raw Allspark power. The vehicle, while having equipment present in it with circuitry, is not a device that requires circuits to operate by itself. (The statement by the S7 guy about "automobiles" being engineered from Megatron struck me as hyperbole.)

[DPDarkPrimus]

Unless you think there are internal combustion engines that run the TFs, that is.

[Lord Relvenous]

Didn't you see the huge clouds of exhaust coming frosm them during the movie? You could practically blame global warming on them.

Yeah most of the stuff he mentions them attaining confuses me. As far as i know, Megatron was kept frozen, and he didn't look like he was being ripped open for secrets. More like a museum piece, and while improvements can come from observing designs, i don't know how many grand technological leaps cna come from simply looking at technology years ahead of ours.

[TithonusSyndrome]

The energy of the Impact causes it to release its energy out over a sphere with a radius of 8.3 kilometers

Would it, though? It's one thing if you're just arbitrarily stipulating that, but Allspark-ing everything within 8.3 clicks of the landing spot all at once isn't the sort of thing I ever got the impression it could do. Why would the Allspark's animating power ramp up as the energy of the impact goes up?

[Zor]

The energy of the Impact causes it to release its energy out over a sphere with a radius of 8.3 kilometers

Would it, though? It's one thing if you're just arbitrarily stipulating that, but Allspark-ing everything within 8.3 clicks of the landing spot all at once isn't the sort of thing I ever got the impression it could do. Why would the Allspark's animating power ramp up as the energy of the impact goes up?

It is very much a guess, but there is enough movie evidence for it to be plausable. When Sam dropped the Allspark it did let out a pulse of energy on hitting the ground and when the allspark impacted in the movie at the time time there was not anything for it to convert. Its not too much of a leap to say an impact as such would not cause it to release more energy.

Zor

[Adrian Laguna]

A thought occurred to me, it might be possible to solve the issue with a single nuke and yet leave any surviving civilians, as well as the city's infrastructure, intact. Initiate the warhead high in the atmosphere, EMP fries everything below.

[tim31]

The part of the steering wheel that attacked the driver was completely detached. Don't you think if the entire vehicle was meant to be alive other parts of it would have been moving? Doors opening, car shaking from side to side or the like?

It seems inconsistent with the vending machine...

Which immediately transformed and started shooting? Nope.

To rationalize this, I think the technology needs the right sort of circuitry present in it to be converted by raw Allspark power. The vehicle, while having equipment present in it with circuitry, is not a device that requires circuits to operate by itself. (The statement by the S7 guy about "automobiles" being engineered from Megatron struck me as hyperbole.)

I seem to recall that the vending machine assumed a walker-like form and started firing bottles(or cans?) at people... Seeing as a soft-drink vending machine is basically a safe with a few solenoids for pushing out drinks and the electronics to facilitate that as well as the transaction of money, how is that really different from a car?

[DPDarkPrimus]

With the circuitry broken, the vending machine is useless.

Without the on-board computer, a car can still operate.

[Havok]

With the circuitry broken, the vending machine is useless.

Without the on-board computer, a car can still operate.

Not really. Not anymore. You would have to set a car up that way.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Oh god, are we REALLY discussing HOW the Alspark turns something into a Transformer?

Its MAGIC

Lastime I check, a Cellphone did not have the componant parts to make a minigun or missiles. Exmaining whats in a mahcine BEFORE the Alspark zaps it I would htink is Meaningless given how radiclly the insides are altered.

[Sea Skimmer]

With the circuitry broken, the vending machine is useless.

Without the on-board computer, a car can still operate.

Not if it has electronic fuel injection, which is the number one reason why any car, including every single one for the US market in the last ten years, has an onboard computer. No computer, no fuel in the engine, and you can’t just snip a few wires and get around this, you’d have to partly rebuild the engine to be carbureted.

[Havok]

Teh Magiks? I just figured it was some sort of advanced electro magnetic molecular restructuring device.

Seriously though. The allspark hits the ground and only an Xbox and a vending machine change. Was it a directional beam or something, because there were cars all over the place and none of them changed.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Teh Magiks? I just figured it was some sort of advanced electro magnetic molecular restructuring device.

Seriously though. The allspark hits the ground and only an Xbox and a vending machine change. Was it a directional beam or something, because there were cars all over the place and none of them changed.

Which is why I'm saying not every single bit of technology in the blast area is gonna change.

[Crossroads Inc.]

by the by, here is a (crappy) version of the three items Transforming:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MRoPaLF_eHM

[Crossroads Inc.]

As for the whole "why didn't everything change" bit... It looks like when it hit the ground, it realesed only 3 "Bolts" that hit the the 3 machines.. it wasn't a "wave" or something, The cube first bumped the car "Spark" then droped past the Xbox "spark" and then a third "bolt" randomly hits the Vending machine.

[Havok]

As for the whole "why didn't everything change" bit... It looks like when it hit the ground, it realesed only 3 "Bolts" that hit the the 3 machines.. it wasn't a "wave" or something, The cube first bumped the car "Spark" then droped past the Xbox "spark" and then a third "bolt" randomly hits the Vending machine.

Uh.. so this intergalatic, unbelievable advanced piece of technology that can pass through an asteroid field unhindered, aciidentally discharges when it is dropped two feet to the ground.

I can't get to youtube here at work... I don't remember a car transforming. What kinda car was it?

[Zor]

As for the whole "why didn't everything change" bit... It looks like when it hit the ground, it realesed only 3 "Bolts" that hit the the 3 machines.. it wasn't a "wave" or something, The cube first bumped the car "Spark" then droped past the Xbox "spark" and then a third "bolt" randomly hits the Vending machine.

I am sorry to tell you this, but if you look at the road/sidewalk around 0:02-0:03, there clearly is a wave effect of some sort moving towards the building in the backround and away from the Allspark, it is quite likely that there were other transformers made but were not given screentime.

Zor

[TithonusSyndrome]

The energy of the Impact causes it to release its energy out over a sphere with a radius of 8.3 kilometers

Would it, though? It's one thing if you're just arbitrarily stipulating that, but Allspark-ing everything within 8.3 clicks of the landing spot all at once isn't the sort of thing I ever got the impression it could do. Why would the Allspark's animating power ramp up as the energy of the impact goes up?

It is very much a guess, but there is enough movie evidence for it to be plausable. When Sam dropped the Allspark it did let out a pulse of energy on hitting the ground and when the allspark impacted in the movie at the time time there was not anything for it to convert. Its not too much of a leap to say an impact as such would not cause it to release more energy.

Zor

I don't know how long the Allspark spent on Cybertron before Transformers came into being there, but wouldn't we see SOME indication in the movie of Transformer-like creatures "evolving" out of minerals or whatever the denizens of Cybertron were shaped from on Earth after a fall from orbit 10000 years ago?