Vympel wrote:
The "Weirding Modules" are not in the books. They're in the movie because ruining shit with sound-based weaponry is easier and less time consuming from a story telling perspective, I imagine.
To be fair to Mr. Lynch Thufir does explicitly say in the book that the reason the Emperor came down on the Atreides was because the Atreides had found a new fighting technique using sound.
Lynch just ran with the one throw away line a bit too far...
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Straha wrote:
To be fair to Mr. Lynch Thufir does explicitly say in the book that the reason the Emperor came down on the Atreides was because the Atreides had found a new fighting technique using sound.
Lynch just ran with the one throw away line a bit too far...
When was that? I don't remember it, it was the Duke's popularity in the Landsraad that caused the Emperor to betray him. Political power, not some new fighting technique. That was what Dune was all about, the politics of power.
I believe one cause of the Emperor's betrayal of the Atreides was the fact that Atreides house troops were almost the equal of the Sardaukar; Shaddam IV had to remove the threat while he still had the chance.
"So you want to live on a planet?"
"No. I think I'd find it a bit small and wierd."
"Aren't they dangerous? Don't they get hit by stuff?"
I seem to recall something along all of those lines. The Duke Atreides popularity in the Landsraard (part of the reason he could not marry Paul's mother was tied to this) coupled with his army that was being trained by Duncan Idaho & Gurney Halleck made the Emperor consider him a direct threat.
"Our people were meant to be living gods, warrior-poets who roamed the stars bringing civilization, not cowards and bullies who prey on the weak and kill each other for sport. I never imagined they'd prove themselves so inferior. I didn't betray our people – they betrayed themselves."
Dune is one of those films that are spoiled by the fact that you really need to have read the book to get a lot of the detail. It always annoyes me when I see that happen because its a sign of something that could have been a lot better, and which will just frustrate a lot of its audience (i.e. like the OP).
The biggest WTF in the Dune movie is that Patrick Stewart was so criminally underused. He's on-screen for about 60 seconds cumulatively.
Straha wrote:
To be fair to Mr. Lynch Thufir does explicitly say in the book that the reason the Emperor came down on the Atreides was because the Atreides had found a new fighting technique using sound.
Lynch just ran with the one throw away line a bit too far...
When was that? I don't remember it, it was the Duke's popularity in the Landsraad that caused the Emperor to betray him. Political power, not some new fighting technique. That was what Dune was all about, the politics of power.
It was about the politics of power. The Emperor could let whichever house in the Landsraad be powerful as long as he could whip their ass if they stepped out of line with the sardukar. But, taken from a previous post I made about Dune here:
"'The padishah emperor turned against house Atreides because the Duke's Warmasters Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho had trained a fighting force- a small fighting force- to within a hair as good as the Sardukar. Some of them were even better. And the Duke was in a position to enlarge his force, to make it every bit as strong as the Emperor's" (p. 374, Dune)
I don't have a copy here but I'll try and get my grubby hands on a copy some time today and get the quote on the method with sound later.
'After 9/11, it was "You're with us or your with the terrorists." Now its "You're with Straha or you support racism."' ' - The Romulan Republic
'You're a bully putting on an air of civility while saying that everything western and/or capitalistic must be bad, and a lot of other posters (loomer, Stas Bush, Gandalf) are also going along with it for their own personal reasons (Stas in particular is looking through rose colored glasses)' - Darth Yan
