AVP-R *SPOILERS*

[PREDATOR490]

Being foolishly optimistic that a film couldnt be worse than AVP 1 I went and watched this yesterday and am regretting it heavily. This film was totally awful beyond belief. Looking at reviews across the net have apparantly revealed that almost everyone equally hates it.

I would recommend not going and seeing this but for those unfortunate enough who have then what were your reactions to this movie ?

The main highlights for me were:

1) Hospital impregnation scene...

Seriously WTF ?
I felt like I was watching some awful beastality fantasy with this scene. Not to mention how retarded it was for an alien trying to impregnate women's wombs through the mouth.
So we went from 'chest' buster to 'womb' busters(Plural) ?

2) 'Containment'

Right, so the military decides to nuke the town as the last resort but the guys dont gun down the chopper surviors. Who for all they knew could be infected with chest busters, although I guess that isnt likely when the incubation period in this film was maybe an hour.
Kinda funny how the military can just nuke a town on the spot plus they could chart the infestation from a single black and white picture.

3) Predator 'equipment'

This was perhaps the greatest thing that caught my attention early in the film. The Predator obviously gets some sort of notification on whats going on and is dispatched knowing he will be facing at least a Predalien that killed a dozen Predators. Despite this the Predator only takes his helmet and whip along rather than tool up. Instead he gets all his gear from the crashed ship then blows it up.
We also get that 'unlimited' blue liquid he pours everywhere to 'hide' the evidence from a palm sized bottle without running out at all despite the fact he takes the time to skin a cop and leave him hanging on display.

The list of things goes on and on but the major thing that annoyed me was the end. Obviously an attempt at creating the premise for a sequel which I find a horrific concept after them dropping the bar even further than AVP 1 went. The next one is supposedly going to be a 'bridge' between this series and alien which puts it in the territory of fucking up the classics.

[Gustav32Vasa]

1) Hospital impregnation scene...

Seriously WTF ?
I felt like I was watching some awful beastality fantasy with this scene. Not to mention how retarded it was for an alien trying to impregnate women's wombs through the mouth.
So we went from 'chest' buster to 'womb' busters(Plural) ?
.

That was a young Queen, when she would get older she would lay the normal eggs.

[Kuja]

Handwave faster.

[PREDATOR490]

1) Hospital impregnation scene...

Seriously WTF ?
I felt like I was watching some awful beastality fantasy with this scene. Not to mention how retarded it was for an alien trying to impregnate women's wombs through the mouth.
So we went from 'chest' buster to 'womb' busters(Plural) ?
.

That was a young Queen, when she would get older she would lay the normal eggs.

You know this because ?

Even accepting this bold assumption you dont realise that this 'queen' was laying its eggs via the mouth into the wombs of the female victims ?
For some reason I get the strong impression that those 'lumps' that went down her throat cant get into the womb via the stomach without a lot of interior redecoration which I expect to be pretty lethal for the victom long before they got to the 'bursting' stage.

The concept alone is retarded and entirely sick. I'm finding it equally stupid the Predalien can only impregnate pregnant women and where that 'trait' comes from. You trying to suggest the reproduction via mouth thing is from the Predators... ?

[FA Xerrik]

Not to mention how retarded it was for an alien trying to impregnate women's wombs through the mouth.

Except the Aliens have always injected parasites through the mouth. I don't find it a stretch to go from a Facehugger laying an egg in the mouth which travels to the chest to the Predalien injecting whatever those larger objects were and having them go just a little farther. After all, a pregnant women has a great deal of her vital processes redirected to the womb. The larger size of the Predalien injections made me think of them as already being somewhat developed embryos, much like mouthbrooding fish on earth. It doesn't seem at all implausible that these fetuses would travel to the most nutritious environment. This also can help explain the more rapid growth of the chestbursters, both a more nutritious growth environment and a headstart of sorts at the time of implantation.

Also, we saw the Predalien take down 3 Predators, not a dozen. He already had one gun, and removed a second one from one of the bodies. I don't know why you would expect him to load up with every bit of kit and gear we've ever seen Predators to carry. He lost the armor from AvP1, and salvaged what gear he could easily carry while on the ground, but he was in this for stealth and speed. Get in, clean up the Aliens, and pop out again. I felt like the only really odd bit was that little pouch of goo he carried, but if anything I sort of laughed while I was watching rather than taking it as some kind of serious affront against the SoD.

[SylasGaunt]

Even accepting this bold assumption you dont realise that this 'queen' was laying its eggs via the mouth into the wombs of the female victims ?
For some reason I get the strong impression that those 'lumps' that went down her throat cant get into the womb via the stomach without a lot of interior redecoration which I expect to be pretty lethal for the victom long before they got to the 'bursting' stage.

And you can get from at best the lungs into the chest cavity without doing a bit of redecorating? In Alien 3 we see an embryo insdie and it's nestled up in the chest cavity amongst the heart and lungs and what not. Something is making holes for it to get there, either the face hugger punching holes in the windpipe or lungs, or the little bugger chews it's way into the chest cavity.

And that's leaving aside the possibility that the bursters just migrated down that way for a snack before emerging.

[Anguirus]

You know this because ?

Directors' word.

[Bedlam]

I'd like to second that this was an awful, awful film and no-one should watch it if they have the option.

No plot
No characters
No redeaming features at all

[PREDATOR490]

Moving down for a 'snack' seems unlikely considering this Predalien was directly targeting pregnant women and all instances had them being ripped out from the womb.
The chest busters from the face huggers come from the chest so clearly we have two sets of aliens working here yet all we saw was the 'standard' alien drone. I would have expected an alien war going on between the Predalien broods and the normal kind but apparantly not.

Regardless, the whole concept of 'womb' busters is a total shot out of nowhere and frankly pointless. They only reason i figure they did that was because of the 'shock' factor and they needed a quick way of creating an army of xenos to fight the Predator before they nuked the place. They were bold enough to do shit like this yet chickened out on the aliens eating the room full of babies... ?

The characters were a load of shit from the beginning. Sitting here wanting to watch Aliens and Predators yet we spend the better have of 30 minutes with the cliche teenage slasher type of opening. Did anyone even really give a shit when those guys got killed in the school ?
The only bit I actually thought was cool was when that blonde got plastered to the wall. It really is quite sad when the trailer is essentially the story. Incidentally, the ship they were flying in at the start seemed alot smaller than the one we saw in AVP1. We never even saw that 'elite' predator that gave the women the spear. I would have expected the corporation to get that as well as the gun.
Some fragments of information from P1 and P2 should still be around but they never even thought to do anything with that end scene beyond setup a poor premise for a sequel.

Overall, this film was just awful from start to finish.

[Themightytom]

Mood:
What mood, Everyone wants to see the aliens get owned so we can go to sleep satisfied at night. The first alien scared the shit out of me i cheered hardcore when the "Marines" went in.
Then they got owned as victims of circumstance. i realize that Aliens charging accross a plain to get mowed down would turn into starship troopers real quick but damnit thats what I want to see. build some solid heroic characters and let us watch them kick some ass. Don't show us the american father and son hunting trip get mutilated. Fine if its not plausible that humans carry the day at least have the badass predators do it. Don't weaken the badassery of the predators to build "suspense", save them for the end so we can feel good.


Artistry:
yeah AVP-R really sucked artistically when compared to the first two, I'm rating it as below even Aliens 3 which featured the stupid "Dog" alien, killed off the surving characters from Alien II in a giant ripoff opening credits scene and somehow involved hardly any weapons at all.
Depravity:
The last five seconds of AVP-R revealed what exactly, that yuutani was building weapons for the preadotrs or something in the 21st century but still is hiding their existence as of the Ripley era?
The directors went out of their way to abuse children, homeless people, pregnant women and even infants, i was waiting for the alien to casually spit acid at a basket of kittens.

Settings
Aliens vs. predators was sooort of cool because it had a strong scifi fantasy history thing going for it that reminded me of stargate. The setting was an ancient pyramid in the artic The sequel had none of that it was pretty much a spoof of every teen slasher movie made in the eighties, involving; father son hunting trips, filthy diners, sewers swimming pools hospitals and finally a Sinister Corporate plot(tm)
Don't buy the movie, go buy gremlins instead, at least its funny.

Plausibility
Fuck the predators for not keeping an eye on their dead guy on a frigging podium. Do they not have X-rays??

Summary
Terrible movie. i didn't like the feel, i didn't like the way it was done, it made almost no sense, and I lost faith in humanity watching it. Ship the preadtors over to star trek and give them a bat'leth, because they are useless. Send the Aliens off to Tim Burtons creepy basement and don't combine the two unless you avhe a director who understands both genres. (And actually given what they did to Aliens don't even do it then.)

[Gustav32Vasa]

They were bold enough to do shit like this yet chickened out on the aliens eating the room full of babies... ?

They didnt?

[Oskuro]

Not sure if low budget is the reason, or simple lack of talent, but it's probably both. My main complaints about the movie are:


Mood: Make up your goddamm mind! Is it a horror movie? an action movie? or a freaking muppet show? Choose an style and stick with it (and while you're at it, consider what people actually expect to see in a movie like this, wich takes me to the following point...)

Blurry Fights: WTF? I want to SEE the Predator kick the Aliens' ass! What's up with the confusing blurry nonsense? It might be artisty for some movies to do it, specially if you're aiming for that gritty confusing feeling... but we're here to see Aliens Vs. Predator! We want to see the fights!

Color: This is a personal taste of mine but... the movie was dark blue. No, really, there was a total lack of color to it. It could have been a black-and-white movie. The only colorful parts where the Predator POV shots.... and that was only if it was on human-thermal-vision (why was the Alien-vision so UGLY???).

Alien Puppets: The way they moved, the general lack of revealing shots... Oh, and again, THE WAY THEY MOVED! The felt like puppets. The first Alien was a guy in a suit and it kicked ass. What will they use for the next? Sock puppet aliens? (I would actually pay to see that, though)


I'd say more, but it has all mostly been said already.

[PREDATOR490]

They never showed the Alien going after the babies. They decided on using a suggestive 'music' soundtrack plus alien hiss to make it sound like it was going to. They do this yet have pregnant women's wombs getting splattered everywhere.
This looked more like Species than Aliens or Predators although at least Species isnt as much of a tease when it comes to the stripping sex seen crap.

That blonde had literally nothing to do beyond that scene except show the guys where the guns were... yeah, why is it the blonde girl that has to show them where the guns are ?
We have a cop and ex-convict but it is the stupid eye candy girl that knows where the guns are, sigh. Not like she did anything else through the movie after that so her inclusion was pointless.

I'm fairly unimpressed with the whole cast of actors they got in this thing. They might as well have went to a supermarket and picked people at random because the only face I recognised was the guy from Stargate and he lasted for 3 shots. The rest of them just sucked in everything they did because the development was limited to their predictable roles which were telegraphed before they were even properly introduced.

The actual fight scenes were way too dark and blurry. Half the time I didnt know what was actually going on and it was easier to see using the Predator vision. I'm fairly annoyed they decided to use the AVP1 disc rather than the one we saw in Predator 2 but I guess using that one would have remained consistant and made the Predator too powerful when he can just hurl the boomerang disc through the Predalien's face.

[Tanasinn]

To be honest, I see no reason to even try to canonically justify the "womb-burster" scene; it was an obvious attempt to inject the old Giger-esque sexuality of the alien into the film.

[Admiral Valdemar]

What the hell are you people expecting? I saw it last night. It was hilariously dumb, but then that's what you get for watching a movie based on a comic/game concept. Is it worthy of Alien/Aliens and Predator? No. Is it a fun way to watch total nonsense going on with many detestable people getting slaughtered? Yes. Heck, the music was actually a good amalgamation of the big franchises and we saw more gore this time round.

Too bad Jesse bought it. She was cute.

[Sidewinder]

I wanted to see the film, but after reading these comments on how sucky it is-- thanks for the warning, by the way-- I changed my mind.

To be honest, I see no reason to even try to canonically justify the "womb-burster" scene; it was an obvious attempt to inject the old Giger-esque sexuality of the alien into the film.

If they wanted to make the xenomorph sexy, why didn't they simply license Sil/Eve's design from whoever owns the rights to 'Species', and use her?

[The Spartan]

To be honest, I see no reason to even try to canonically justify the "womb-burster" scene; it was an obvious attempt to inject the old Giger-esque sexuality of the alien into the film.

If they wanted to make the xenomorph sexy, why didn't they simply license Sil/Eve's design from whoever owns the rights to 'Species', and use her?

Because the don't want attractively sexy. They want disturbing sexuality.

[Gustav32Vasa]

Too bad Jesse bought it. She was cute.

That really shocked me. I expecter her to live.

[Sidewinder]

To be honest, I see no reason to even try to canonically justify the "womb-burster" scene; it was an obvious attempt to inject the old Giger-esque sexuality of the alien into the film.

If they wanted to make the xenomorph sexy, why didn't they simply license Sil/Eve's design from whoever owns the rights to 'Species', and use her?

Because the don't want attractively sexy. They want disturbing sexuality.

You mean something like this?

If so, I hope that movie's directors never get another chance to direct something.

[Molyneux]

If they wanted to make the xenomorph sexy, why didn't they simply license Sil/Eve's design from whoever owns the rights to 'Species', and use her?

Because the don't want attractively sexy. They want disturbing sexuality.

You mean something like this?

If so, I hope that movie's directors never get another chance to direct something.

Not quite. Look up some of H.R. Giger's adult art sometime; he was the one who designed the Aliens in the first place, if I'm not mistaken.

Possibly the shittiest part of the first AVP was having a Predator - with the big, nasty, scary mandibles that we've seen them with for who knows how freakin' long - gets attacked by a facehugger, and the nasty dentition does absolutely jack squat to help it. So far the only thing a Predator has ever done with its face was snarl menacingly and fan out the mandibles. Hell, at least the Aliens get that secondary-eel-mouth-thing.

[Sidewinder]

Because the don't want attractively sexy. They want disturbing sexuality.

You mean something like this?

If so, I hope that movie's directors never get another chance to direct something.

Not quite. Look up some of H.R. Giger's adult art sometime; he was the one who designed the Aliens in the first place, if I'm not mistaken.

I've seen H. R. Giger's art, and I've seen a photo of a female corpse with her womb burst open from a 'Starlog' article on 'Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem'. The scene from 'Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem' definitely resembles the shit I saw on Gurochan.net.

[Rye]

Watched it today, expecting a retarded action fest and wasn't disappointed. It was stupid and seemed to have large sections of story that were barren of feel and themes. It was not scary or intense at all and the grossest, most "pushing the boat" parts were obviously taken from DotD04.

That said, the film was beautifully shot, much better than the first and what I was expecting. The part where the hot girl get pinned to the wall was unexpected and actually quite well done.

The predalien face implanting came out of nowhere, but it was a better monster than the Newborn in Alien:Resurrection, not that that's particularly difficult.

Some of the Predator gadgets were really neat.

Predator dentition would not help them at all against facehuggers.

AvP 2 (PC game) is actually pretty awesome and the film would've been a million times better if it followed the Marine's story in that.

All in all: entertaining enough, but I won't buy it on DVD. Predator 2 was retarded enough, and this was about the same.