WALL-E (Spoilers)

Eleventh Century Remnant · Post by **Eleventh Century Remnant** » 2008-07-19 07:10am

Only released yesterday on this side of the pond, so;
I pretty much knew what was going to happen, so many spoilers, but it was still ridiculously lovable.

One thing, though, Wall-E's recreation of the new york skyline- I was not expecting that. That was...big.
The last shot of the movie proper, before the credits, panning out across that hillside; was there any elapsed time up to that?
Because if not, if that just happened as we saw it, it would mean Wall-E had actually managed, in seven hundred years on his own, to pick up enough trash to clear that space of viable soil where things could grow again.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2008-07-19 07:16am

Eleventh Century Remnant wrote:Only released yesterday on this side of the pond, so;
I pretty much knew what was going to happen, so many spoilers, but it was still ridiculously lovable.

One thing, though, Wall-E's recreation of the new york skyline- I was not expecting that. That was...big.
The last shot of the movie proper, before the credits, panning out across that hillside; was there any elapsed time up to that?
Because if not, if that just happened as we saw it, it would mean Wall-E had actually managed, in seven hundred years on his own, to pick up enough trash to clear that space of viable soil where things could grow again.

There were other Wall-Es also, before they broke down.

Eleventh Century Remnant · Post by **Eleventh Century Remnant** » 2008-07-19 11:13am

And you thought that needed to be said?

If operation cleanup was formally declared a failure in 2118(?), then Wall-E could have been, if there was a shut- down, on his own for at least 670 years; in terms of robot hours worked, the other wall-E units should have done the bulk of the heavy lifting, but the visual evidence kind of leans the other way.

Unless all the Wall-E units were mad enough to build skyscraper sized and shaped piles of trash, (and where were they supposed to put it all, anyway?) then most of the credit has to go to the movie's hero.

That and those plants were very young. They were just too small to have been there for long- stunted, maybe, but not that badly. The Earth starting to breathe again happened on Wall-E's shift.

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-07-20 03:13am

Could there have been previous EVEs with successful missions whom AUTO had sabotaged? I wouldn't put that past him.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-07-20 01:08pm

Pelranius wrote:Could there have been previous EVEs with successful missions whom AUTO had sabotaged? I wouldn't put that past him.

EVEs mission was successful because of WALL-E, and his infectious nature. There could literally have been dozens of attempts.. The time between the 'abort' sent to Auto and the present suggests many more.. And all of them sabotaged by the autopilot.

There's also the question of other ships..

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-07-20 05:04pm

SirNitram wrote:
Pelranius wrote:Could there have been previous EVEs with successful missions whom AUTO had sabotaged? I wouldn't put that past him.
EVEs mission was successful because of WALL-E, and his infectious nature. There could literally have been dozens of attempts.. The time between the 'abort' sent to Auto and the present suggests many more.. And all of them sabotaged by the autopilot.

There's also the question of other ships..

I'm hoping that they deal with that plot hook in the sequel.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2008-07-20 05:16pm

Angus MacLane, the supervising animator on Wall E, talks about the secrets of Pixar, the joys of Lego, R2D2 and his love for James Camerons' Aliens...

Or ignoring the tag line, an amusing interview about WALL-E.[/url]

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2008-07-20 06:21pm

Molyneux wrote:I'm hoping that they deal with that plot hook in the sequel.

I really hope there won't be a sequel, beyond the inter-movie short BURN-E that'll be on the DVD. Yeah there are dozens or hundreds of other ships out there, but the movie's story is really quite self-contained, especially considering the animated pre-credit montage shows the rebirth of human inhabitation on Earth.

It just wouldn't be at all true to the spirit of the original film: it'd be like one of those ill-conceived direct to video sequels of The Jungle Book or Lady and the Tramp that Disney used to churn out.

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-07-20 11:51pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Molyneux wrote:I'm hoping that they deal with that plot hook in the sequel.
I really hope there won't be a sequel, beyond the inter-movie short BURN-E that'll be on the DVD. Yeah there are dozens or hundreds of other ships out there, but the movie's story is really quite self-contained, especially considering the animated pre-credit montage shows the rebirth of human inhabitation on Earth.

It just wouldn't be at all true to the spirit of the original film: it'd be like one of those ill-conceived direct to video sequels of The Jungle Book or Lady and the Tramp that Disney used to churn out.

Don't even talk about the Cinderella ones. The Aladdin one was somewhat watchable, at least that's how my nine year old self remembers it.

Why did Buy'n'Large only deploy a few thousand WALL Es? Given the amount of garbage, and that they have mass production facilities, they should have been able to produce at least a few billion or so.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2008-07-21 12:14am

Pelranius wrote: Why did Buy'n'Large only deploy a few thousand WALL Es? Given the amount of garbage, and that they have mass production facilities, they should have been able to produce at least a few billion or so.

We only saw that one city. For all we know, they DID produce billions, but those billions were spread out across the entire planet.

I was personally wondering why, if Earth was so utterly ruined, didn't the ships just go find some other planet to terraform. They must have carried embryos and seeds or DNA or something to be able to get all that life again afterwards, unless those blue jays and fish were just out hiding somewhere without eating plants. Though that might be what happened to some of the other ships. It's not like it was hard to switch off Auto.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2008-07-21 05:10am

Mayabird wrote:
Pelranius wrote: Why did Buy'n'Large only deploy a few thousand WALL Es? Given the amount of garbage, and that they have mass production facilities, they should have been able to produce at least a few billion or so.
We only saw that one city. For all we know, they DID produce billions, but those billions were spread out across the entire planet.

I was personally wondering why, if Earth was so utterly ruined, didn't the ships just go find some other planet to terraform. They must have carried embryos and seeds or DNA or something to be able to get all that life again afterwards, unless those blue jays and fish were just out hiding somewhere without eating plants. Though that might be what happened to some of the other ships. It's not like it was hard to switch off Auto.

Probably laziness and vast over-confidence on Buy N' Large's part - they were incredibly sure of their plan to clean up the Earth, and when it failed, they simply couldn't be bothered to change the plan. Or possibly they couldn't by that point; perhaps most of the facilities used to build starships and related components were not usable anymore, at least on Earth, so all the ships could do was repair their own stuff. They're not exactly a poster child for corporate responsibility.

Bedlam · Post by **Bedlam** » 2008-07-21 05:24am

I wasn't sure why the Axion had Eve probes in the first place, if their only function is to try and locate vegatation and BnL thought they would clean up the planet in a few years and then just tell everyone to come back. Were they built after they left earth?

Also why is WALLE so different in design to all the other robots (apart from WALLR) despite being designed (presumably) at the same time? Have the robots on the ship been researching and building more of earch other? Is is just him being designed for a different enviroment?

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-07-21 09:52am

Bedlam wrote:I wasn't sure why the Axion had Eve probes in the first place, if their only function is to try and locate vegatation and BnL thought they would clean up the planet in a few years and then just tell everyone to come back. Were they built after they left earth?

Also why is WALLE so different in design to all the other robots (apart from WALLR) despite being designed (presumably) at the same time? Have the robots on the ship been researching and building more of earch other? Is is just him being designed for a different enviroment?

They might have just intended to use WALL E as a cheap disposable PR gimmick (it seemed like the World CEO really didn't think that they could ever come back to Earth).

andrewgpaul · Post by **andrewgpaul** » 2008-07-21 01:05pm

I figured the WALL-E and WALL_A robots looked like that because they were built on the cheap, and no-one would see them, unlike all the others, who would interact with humans at least occasionally.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2008-07-21 08:32pm

Bedlam wrote: Also why is WALLE so different in design to all the other robots (apart from WALLR) despite being designed (presumably) at the same time? Have the robots on the ship been researching and building more of earch other? Is is just him being designed for a different enviroment?

The way i see it is that WALL-E Units are designed to work without any outside supervision for a long time. They are modual, capable of repairing themselves and only need solar power to work. Just turn an army of WALL-E's in front of a massive pile of Trash and stand back as they work. The Axiom's staff, by contrast, have antigravity systems, but use more energy and require reletively frequent recharges from the Axiom's power grid and EVE units are equiped with very powerful, but generally cost prohibitive power sources.

Zor

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-07-22 11:45pm

Pelranius wrote:Don't even talk about the Cinderella ones. The Aladdin one was somewhat watchable, at least that's how my nine year old self remembers it.

Watched the Aladdin trilogy again a couple of years ago, and I and the other folks watching all agreed - the first is the best, Return of Jafar is not Uwe Boll-bad but is only worth watching because it leads into the third film, and Aladdin and the King of Thieves is not quite as amazing as the first film, but is a good Disney movie in its own right and a great way to end the story.

And, y'know, it's got JohnRhys-Davies in it and all.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-07-26 10:10am

What a truly marvellous work. I can't add anything more that hasn't been said, except, Silent Running springs to mind.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2008-07-26 03:55pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:What a truly marvellous work. I can't add anything more that hasn't been said, except, Silent Running springs to mind.

That's what my brother said. A sequel to Silent Running.

Johnathon_Chance · Post by **Johnathon_Chance** » 2008-07-31 04:46pm

I saw it when it first came out, and it really is a good movie, but it had some subtle messages in there, which I don't know if they are intended to preach a message, or just to make us sit back for a moment and think, hmm maybe that could be us.

First was all the trash, when you think about it, we really are a throw away society, clean up your act people. The second which to me really seems funny but ohh so true. Fat, Lazy and self centered. Off in their own little world and never knew what was around them. Remind anyone of people today? Texting, Cell phones, etc. MCDONALDS!

Overall I thought it was a great movie, the animation has hit an all time high from Pixar, the realism of Wall-E is outstanding, I give it 5 stars.

Oskuro · Post by **Oskuro** » 2008-08-07 07:33pm

Sorry for the partial necro, but it just came out yesterday in Spain.

I must join the choir of those saying it's a great movie, I really liked how wall-e, with his quirky nature, goes about sparking sentience on the other machines (wich are, probably, several centuries old too), for example, the receptionist dorid on the command tower, to whom wall-e waves, and who later waves back enthusiastically. Those bits were lovely.

I also liked how they got into the idea that a machine could develop a personality, and even learn to love (similar concept to Short Circuit), not like the trend in sci-fi for machines to be souless.

My only complain, is that I was expecting more of a comedy, and comedies don't work as well without dialogue. There weren't so many laugh out loud moments, probably because of that.

Oh, and at the beginning of the thread someone wondered how come wall-e recovers after having some circuitry damaged. Notice that when he is damaged, his power indicator is on the red, so I'm guessing the circuit board was part of his power system, not his CPU.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2008-08-07 07:49pm

LordOskuro wrote: My only complain, is that I was expecting more of a comedy, and comedies don't work as well without dialogue.

Obviously you've never watched any old comedy movies.

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2008-08-07 11:49pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
LordOskuro wrote: My only complain, is that I was expecting more of a comedy, and comedies don't work as well without dialogue.
Obviously you've never watched any old comedy movies.

or not so old

Mr Bean! (the original British series, not the retarded Americanized movies)

Oskuro · Post by **Oskuro** » 2008-08-08 05:15pm

xerex wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote: Mr Bean!

I stand corrected!