Stargate Continuum *SPOILERS*
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Stargate Continuum *SPOILERS*
Didn't see a thread, so I started one.
I enjoyed the movie, but it wasn't great.
The Good:
I loved Teal'c's death. I always enjoy Ba'al. The sub scene was cool. Seeing old adversaries like Apophis was fun. (I liked that Apophis was the last hold out).
The Bad:
The ending was given away when Mitchell's relationship to the captain of the cargo ship was mentioned. When the president sent them to activate the chair, they forgot Sheppard, even though they mentioned that they needed someone with the gene. (Atlantis makes it clear that he is the only one with an intuitive ability to use the Ancient technology.) Where did the Tok'ra get an ancient stasis chamber, was it the one that O'Neil was in? Why did Ba'al put the rings there?
The Ugly:
Ball being split in half.
Two questions, one answerable, one not:
Was this the first reference to Carter as a pilot since Children of the Gods?
What kind of preparations did Ba'al have in place for Anubis?
What did you think?
I enjoyed the movie, but it wasn't great.
The Good:
I loved Teal'c's death. I always enjoy Ba'al. The sub scene was cool. Seeing old adversaries like Apophis was fun. (I liked that Apophis was the last hold out).
The Bad:
The ending was given away when Mitchell's relationship to the captain of the cargo ship was mentioned. When the president sent them to activate the chair, they forgot Sheppard, even though they mentioned that they needed someone with the gene. (Atlantis makes it clear that he is the only one with an intuitive ability to use the Ancient technology.) Where did the Tok'ra get an ancient stasis chamber, was it the one that O'Neil was in? Why did Ba'al put the rings there?
The Ugly:
Ball being split in half.
Two questions, one answerable, one not:
Was this the first reference to Carter as a pilot since Children of the Gods?
What kind of preparations did Ba'al have in place for Anubis?
What did you think?
Re: Stargate Continuum *SPOILERS*
ghetto edit: that should read Ba'alJason L. Miles wrote: Ball being split in half.
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I saw this movie and can honestly say I fucking despise it for being a massive cock tease. The trailers paint this as the Goa'Uld going apeshit on Earth Independance Day style and some sort of epic battle. Instead this entire movie's entire duration was spent whining about wanting to undo itself and doing fuck all until we get a shitty reset button push at the end.
For all it's faults Star Trek only made one movie with a specific timetravel premise and that resulted in repercussions for the Federation we know. This movie was essentially worthless because nothing has been altered, noone KNOWS anything happened and it's attempts at any 'action' were garbage. This movie was basically just a feature length episode that accomplished nothing.
Baal... that was just despicable way to kill him, he is a good villain that gets nailed inorder to bring Vala into the spotlight. Without that stupid backstabbing Vala would have had no role in the movie and of course we cant have that... even though she didnt even do fuck all anyway.
How can we do that, have Miss Queen Bitch suddenly decide to stab Baal in the back after years of sitting on his shoulder watching him piss all over the galaxy with his future knowledge. Its not like it is in her best intrests to WAIT until they have conquered Earth when Baal is demonstrating his uncanny knowledge again.
Yeah, that makes sense dosent it ?
Moving on from my extreme distaste of the fuckers behind this, the time travel plot really made no sense to me and seems ultimately wrong.
They captured the last Baal but suddenly another one appears *groan*,
This Baal uses a time travel device to go back to 1939 and hijack the transport of the Stargate. Baal then travels through the Stargate leaving a bomb which the crewmember manages to get out before it blows the ship up.
This isnt so bad but then they caused a massive cock up by having the present day universe being affected which is a load of horseshit. Baal sabotaged the ship and it obviously never delivered the cargo to the destination so SG-1 should have VANISHED before Vala or Teal'c.
The order they vanish implies that somehow Baal's changes were happening in real time with the ceremony which means Past Baal somehow managed to step through that gate and do something to prevent Teal'c joining SG-1. Unless Baal walked straight to Teal'c's homeworld then there is no reason why he should have vanished before they all did. Especially since they drag Apophis in as being resistant so I doubt Baal just phoned him up and said 'hey, could you keep Teal'c locked up please, hes gonna betray you in 60 years'
The other major problem with this entire timetravel plot is the problem with duplication. A future version of Baal went back in time and either returned back to the present or went back and stayed which means the Future and Past Baal should exist in this timeline. Thus creating a paradox when Future Baal does anything to alter his own timeline, altered enough his present self's events will change causing him not to go back in time and create a consistant loop of events.
I am highly skeptical of the situation portrayed in this movie as well, Baal's future knowledge might allow him to nail Teal'c and Earth but since they supposedly had these events occur in exactly the same year as present day then events outside of the galaxy still should occur.
A.K.A Asgard get wiped out by the Replicators and then the Replicators come hunting for Baal.
The major concern is how did Baal overcome Anubis, Anubis cannot be killed and was only defeated with Oma's intervention and since Daniel's history has changed, Oma isnt going to help Baal. Thus Anubis should be a real pain in the ass to Baal regardless of his future knowledge.
Overall, I am really disgusted with this, it was nothing more than a fan service of guest appearances with a few lines and no actual content. We had to wait a whole fucking year just to get to the action which was never depicted in any great detail. Oh wow, watching a bunch of planes fighting a dozen Gliders when a fleet of motherships sit in orbit blasting things off screen, that creates epic tension when the next 5 minutes have everything fixed and fine.
*Epic sigh*
I would have been much happier seeing a plot involving the Replicators overrunning Baal's new timeline with Asgard technology and perhaps have them overrun Pegasus before their move to the Milky Way, Hence they have Wraith and Ancient technology as well.
Baal may have the Dakara device but having two galaxies worth of resources and ancient technology presents a valid reason for granting the Replicators an immunity to it. Thus Baal will be forced to help SG-1 reset the timeline where they can make a devil's deal by having his death sentance commuted or something.
For all it's faults Star Trek only made one movie with a specific timetravel premise and that resulted in repercussions for the Federation we know. This movie was essentially worthless because nothing has been altered, noone KNOWS anything happened and it's attempts at any 'action' were garbage. This movie was basically just a feature length episode that accomplished nothing.
Baal... that was just despicable way to kill him, he is a good villain that gets nailed inorder to bring Vala into the spotlight. Without that stupid backstabbing Vala would have had no role in the movie and of course we cant have that... even though she didnt even do fuck all anyway.
How can we do that, have Miss Queen Bitch suddenly decide to stab Baal in the back after years of sitting on his shoulder watching him piss all over the galaxy with his future knowledge. Its not like it is in her best intrests to WAIT until they have conquered Earth when Baal is demonstrating his uncanny knowledge again.
Yeah, that makes sense dosent it ?
Moving on from my extreme distaste of the fuckers behind this, the time travel plot really made no sense to me and seems ultimately wrong.
They captured the last Baal but suddenly another one appears *groan*,
This Baal uses a time travel device to go back to 1939 and hijack the transport of the Stargate. Baal then travels through the Stargate leaving a bomb which the crewmember manages to get out before it blows the ship up.
This isnt so bad but then they caused a massive cock up by having the present day universe being affected which is a load of horseshit. Baal sabotaged the ship and it obviously never delivered the cargo to the destination so SG-1 should have VANISHED before Vala or Teal'c.
The order they vanish implies that somehow Baal's changes were happening in real time with the ceremony which means Past Baal somehow managed to step through that gate and do something to prevent Teal'c joining SG-1. Unless Baal walked straight to Teal'c's homeworld then there is no reason why he should have vanished before they all did. Especially since they drag Apophis in as being resistant so I doubt Baal just phoned him up and said 'hey, could you keep Teal'c locked up please, hes gonna betray you in 60 years'
The other major problem with this entire timetravel plot is the problem with duplication. A future version of Baal went back in time and either returned back to the present or went back and stayed which means the Future and Past Baal should exist in this timeline. Thus creating a paradox when Future Baal does anything to alter his own timeline, altered enough his present self's events will change causing him not to go back in time and create a consistant loop of events.
I am highly skeptical of the situation portrayed in this movie as well, Baal's future knowledge might allow him to nail Teal'c and Earth but since they supposedly had these events occur in exactly the same year as present day then events outside of the galaxy still should occur.
A.K.A Asgard get wiped out by the Replicators and then the Replicators come hunting for Baal.
The major concern is how did Baal overcome Anubis, Anubis cannot be killed and was only defeated with Oma's intervention and since Daniel's history has changed, Oma isnt going to help Baal. Thus Anubis should be a real pain in the ass to Baal regardless of his future knowledge.
Overall, I am really disgusted with this, it was nothing more than a fan service of guest appearances with a few lines and no actual content. We had to wait a whole fucking year just to get to the action which was never depicted in any great detail. Oh wow, watching a bunch of planes fighting a dozen Gliders when a fleet of motherships sit in orbit blasting things off screen, that creates epic tension when the next 5 minutes have everything fixed and fine.
*Epic sigh*
I would have been much happier seeing a plot involving the Replicators overrunning Baal's new timeline with Asgard technology and perhaps have them overrun Pegasus before their move to the Milky Way, Hence they have Wraith and Ancient technology as well.
Baal may have the Dakara device but having two galaxies worth of resources and ancient technology presents a valid reason for granting the Replicators an immunity to it. Thus Baal will be forced to help SG-1 reset the timeline where they can make a devil's deal by having his death sentance commuted or something.
I wholeheartedly, 100% completely agree with everything he just said^. I was going to write a review saying how much I hate this film, but that sums it up just fine. Seriously, the trailers and interviews made this out to be fantastic, but it was just a load of crap, rehashed ideas from old episodes, done poorly, full of plot holes, and boring as fuck. By the time any real actions starts, the film is like 3/4's finished already.
So, two Gate movies thus far, both of them shite beyond belief. Great. Good job guys. I'd be amazed if they get funding to do any more, and even if they do I'm only going to roll my eyes at the news and forget about it.
So, two Gate movies thus far, both of them shite beyond belief. Great. Good job guys. I'd be amazed if they get funding to do any more, and even if they do I'm only going to roll my eyes at the news and forget about it.
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Re: Stargate Continuum *SPOILERS*
3x11 "Past and Present" has Carter mention her Gulf War service, citing a friend who was shot down.Jason L. Miles wrote:Was this the first reference to Carter as a pilot since Children of the Gods?
...Yeah I had to reach a bit to find that one.
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Duh, ghetto edit:
Most of the X/F-302 episodes (such as 7x01 "Fallen"), as well as 7x03 "Fragile Balance" at least suggest that Carter is a qualified figher pilot. They did a terrible job of it, mind, but it's at least there.
Most of the X/F-302 episodes (such as 7x01 "Fallen"), as well as 7x03 "Fragile Balance" at least suggest that Carter is a qualified figher pilot. They did a terrible job of it, mind, but it's at least there.
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Let's be fair. If a goa'uld fleet that big is over Earth. It's over. Even with 304s it would be over. That's pretty much how this depicted it, and rightly so. That many goa'uld ships; short of Ancient DeM, it's time to kiss humanity's arse goodbye. I was, after the trailer, never expecting anything but Earth getting totalled.PREDATOR490 wrote:I saw this movie and can honestly say I fucking despise it for being a massive cock tease. The trailers paint this as the Goa'Uld going apeshit on Earth Independance Day style and some sort of epic battle.
Which he did. This being precisely how Ba'al got Teal'c before Apophis? Indeed, given that Teal'c shows no animosity to Cronos, it's possible that Ba'al even prevented Teal'c's father's death.This isnt so bad but then they caused a massive cock up by having the present day universe being affected which is a load of horseshit. Baal sabotaged the ship and it obviously never delivered the cargo to the destination so SG-1 should have VANISHED before Vala or Teal'c.
The order they vanish implies that somehow Baal's changes were happening in real time with the ceremony which means Past Baal somehow managed to step through that gate and do something to prevent Teal'c joining SG-1. Unless Baal walked straight to Teal'c's homeworld then there is no reason why he should have vanished before they all did.
It's pretty obvious he stayed. Fifty years at his side. Another lifetime.The other major problem with this entire timetravel plot is the problem with duplication. A future version of Baal went back in time and either returned back to the present or went back and stayed
Goa'uld are as good as immortal. It's not a problem.
I assume he would just have killed his past self, and taken over.which means the Future and Past Baal should exist in this timeline. Thus creating a paradox when Future Baal does anything to alter his own timeline, altered enough his present self's events will change causing him not to go back in time and create a consistant loop of events.
No they don't. They occur a year later. 2009, or whateverI am highly skeptical of the situation portrayed in this movie as well, Baal's future knowledge might allow him to nail Teal'c and Earth but since they supposedly had these events occur in exactly the same year as present day then events outside of the galaxy still should occur.
I assume, from the lack of Replicators all over the shop, that Ba'al would have told the Asgard - they do have diplomatic contact, remember - that there's a gun that kills replicators in the ancient archive. They just have to look harder. Curb-stomp ensues. Not only does Ba'al not have to deal with it, but he has the gratitude of the Asgard (hell, he could even tell them he comes from fifty years in the future, when the Replicators have overtaken everything, and they'd believe him) And presumably this'd give them a fully-operational victorious Asgard fleet to call against (the psychotic, mutual enemy) Anubis, when Anubis challenges them. Ba'al knows this is going to happen, and snaps up what's left of Anubis' stuff after Thor's done with stomping ol' nuby into the dust. Anubis is either imprisoned or destroyed by the Asgard, or brought before the Sovreign for further punishment. The Asgard aren't a long term problem for Ba'al, because he knows they're going to die out anyway. That might, indeed, be the reason he waits until 2009 to go to Earth - he's finally sure the Asgard aren't watching the planet, which they had historical interest in. The goa'uld would then, barring the Ori, be the premiere power in known space, save the Asurans, who are still passive. Cue annexation of Earth, invasion of Pegasus and attacks on the sleeping Wraith, expeditions to salvage Asgard technology...
A.K.A Asgard get wiped out by the Replicators and then the Replicators come hunting for Baal.
Of course, they could have damn well explained some more of this in the film, whether as flashbacks, or perhaps even better, Ba'al trying to get SG1 on his side. All it'd take for him to make a convincing case that this timeline is better would be pointing out that he's:
- Freeing the jaffa,
- Claiming he plans the same for human slaves,
- Claiming he plans to replace extant goa'uld hosts using his mastery of cloning
- Pointing out that he's saved millions from the Wraith, and Ori crusade.
- Saved millions from death at the hands of the Replicators...
- Revealing a plan to liberate the Ori galaxy using the Sang'raal weapon...
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My imagination of how the timeline goes is thus:
Y'know, it occurs to me, that Seth, Hathor and Osiris should all be active and around in this timeline. Their own little conspiracy on Earth somewhere? Them making a raid on the Stargate being dug up in Antarctica would have made an interesting little interlude in this film. Though Osiris may have left on his ship, the other two weren't. And Hathor, at least, had means of finding a stargate over great distance.
- 1930s: Ba'al arrives from the future, raids the Tau'ri with a small portion of his forces.
- He then walks past his own guards, not only looking like their god, but knowing the relevant passwords etc. Kills his past self as he sleeps, zats the body a few times.
Ba'al attacks the ship carrying the Stargate to America. - At some point, Teal'c defects (thus being called a Shol'va) to serve Ba'al.
- At some point, Ba'al informs the Asgard that he comes from a replicator dominated future, where the goa'uld have been overthrown, that he sees the error of his ways, and has a plan. He tells them how to fight the Replicators.
- The Replicators are promptly annihilated, without humanforms to save them.
- At some point Ba'al begins to quietly promise freedom for the jaffa, causing many (Bra'tac, etc) to support him.
- 1959: Qetesh becomes Ba'al's consort.
- Ba'al attacks Sokar, whose territory is close to his as Sokar's building up his forces. Takes Delmak, and kills Sokar, annexing Sokar's industrial might.
- Ba'al uses his foreknowledge to ambush Ra over Abydos in 1994, compels his service.
- Ba'al continues to wage war against other system lords, and supress them, by knowing their movements ahead of time.
- Anubis begins to attack Ba'al. Ba'al already has (at least some of) the various eyes of the goa'uld, weakening Anubis' war effort. When Anubis plays brinksmanship with the Asgard, he confronts the full might of the Asgard fleet, who, forewarned by Ba'al of Anubis' hyper-genocidal nature, and with the blessing of the System Lords, destroy him (he can be transported, he can thus be dematerialised, either permanantly, or only to be re-materialised in the void between galaxies and left there: Anubis may persist, but any return would be a violation of the Ascended's rules, and he would be destroyed by the Ascended, instead of simply being fought to a standstill by Oma.)
- Ba'al scavenges what's left of Anubis' assets, including Anubis' first (probably still under construction) ancient-tech flagship.
- 2007/8, the Asgard die out, unable to hold off their genetic degredation. Ba'al continues to make war upon remaining system lords; Apophis is notably successful because in this new timeline, after 1994/7, almost no information ba'al has on his deeds or whereabouts is accurate.
- 2009 with the Asgard no longer responding to regular diplomatic contact, Ba'al begins his plan to annex the Tau'ri. He rebuilds the Praxeum time machine in case things go wrong, now that there are no Asgard to seize it.
- (Future) The Tau'ri will allow him to dial in to Atlantis (Janus locked it to access from anywhere else, remember, and even if Before I Sleep didn't happen, it seems likely they'd locked it anyway; however, without Before I Sleep, they probably locked it to Earth anyway; if their kind would return, they'd return from the place they went to, and they didn't want the Wraith dialling in) assuming its shield has not collapsed, with the Heart of Light ZPM having been extracted as tribute from his vassal, Ra, ready to immediately power it once more, and give him access to ancient drone weapons. It's possible, using his Trust Knowledge, he'd be aware that the shield was going to fail in 2004 in the original timeline (events of Before I Sleep) he'll use the Praxeum machine to send an expedition back say, twenty years, to put the Heart of Light in place. This may indeed be why he rebuilt Praxeum in the new timeline.
- (Future) Using the fastest drives available, perhaps over a hundred years, Ba'al sends a fleet to Pegasus, to attack and destroy the Wraith on his terms, and spread his worship amongst the inhabitants. These ships can be crewed by skeleton crews of dedicated jaffa, or goa'uld underlords with sarcophagai. Full crews can be transported up from Atlantis upon arrival.
- (Future) Assuming he's aware of them, he is able to intercept the Lantean Warship Triia and either recruit its crew to join his fight against the wraith, or simply enslave them. (this is pretty iffy, it depends how long the Trust were reporting to him, after all)
- (Future) Assuming he's aware of the Asurans, he presumably plans to use an asgard planet-wide anti-replicator weapon, assuming he was able to get one, on them, and take their stuff. Alternately, he could attempt to use the Triia's crew (and a recruited McKay) to alter their base code to serve his needs. (again, depends on his earth-based information sources)
- (Future) Assuming he's aware of how the tau'ri defeated the Ori, he plans to do so himself. He is now the undisputed Sovereign of three galaxies.
Y'know, it occurs to me, that Seth, Hathor and Osiris should all be active and around in this timeline. Their own little conspiracy on Earth somewhere? Them making a raid on the Stargate being dug up in Antarctica would have made an interesting little interlude in this film. Though Osiris may have left on his ship, the other two weren't. And Hathor, at least, had means of finding a stargate over great distance.
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Interesting timeline, might make a good fic either just covering Ba'al actions that happened off-screen, or make it AU and do all the "this is how the time line came to be" bit but then change Stargate Continuum so Ba'al won and extend it in to the future.
As to Stargate Continuum I have to say I enjoyed it, I am not going to over analyse everything and will just say that I watched it and greatly enjoyed the time I spent on it; that makes it good for me.
As to Stargate Continuum I have to say I enjoyed it, I am not going to over analyse everything and will just say that I watched it and greatly enjoyed the time I spent on it; that makes it good for me.
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If Baal kills his past self then he ceases to exist no ?
Additonally, Stargate has established that effect (Dopler shift ?) That forces the alternate version out like it did with Carter so either this is an alternate reality and Baal will be pushed out or its true timetravel then killing himself will ... kill himself.
The former works if Baal kills himself but if it's an alternate reality then why are changes affecting the timeline of the other so that Teal'c etc vanish thus we have evidence of the latter. In short either way the writers have fucked it up.
The simple problem is this movie fails to depict what Baal actually did to alter events and had they followed with your idea then it wouldnt have been so bad but as it stands there is no evidence of what Baal actually did. They wasted the majority of the movie bringing in cameo appearances from various series characters and had nothing actually happening.
Additonally, Stargate has established that effect (Dopler shift ?) That forces the alternate version out like it did with Carter so either this is an alternate reality and Baal will be pushed out or its true timetravel then killing himself will ... kill himself.
The former works if Baal kills himself but if it's an alternate reality then why are changes affecting the timeline of the other so that Teal'c etc vanish thus we have evidence of the latter. In short either way the writers have fucked it up.
The simple problem is this movie fails to depict what Baal actually did to alter events and had they followed with your idea then it wouldnt have been so bad but as it stands there is no evidence of what Baal actually did. They wasted the majority of the movie bringing in cameo appearances from various series characters and had nothing actually happening.
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You wouldn't even need to make it an alternate universe, per se. Just have the jaffa find his body after Qetesh has died, and put him in the sarcophagus, at which point he stops the bombardment, and is left in a seriously sticky situation trying to get the Tau'ri to support him.Glimmervoid wrote:Interesting timeline, might make a good fic either just covering Ba'al actions that happened off-screen, or make it AU and do all the "this is how the time line came to be" bit but then change Stargate Continuum so Ba'al won and extend it in to the future.
Or hell; you could just have another clone decanted.
But yes, I'm thinking about it... I have far too many stories to write. Including at least one involving Ba'al.
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EDIT: If carter's AU self was killed and disintegrated, it might have had some effect; it was a physical 'resonance' effect, or something like that, after all. Presumably becoming neutrinos or whatever would deal with the problem.PREDATOR490 wrote:If Baal kills his past self then he ceases to exist no ?
That's not a major problem. This is time travel, not actual dimension travel, and is clearly quite different. Besides, shooting one involved should work. Not to mention, for all we know, this was actually a clone, not the original, and the original ba'al was the one who was extracted. In which case, he wouldn't be the same individual anyway.Additonally, Stargate has established that effect (Dopler shift ?) That forces the alternate version out like it did with Carter so either this is an alternate reality and Baal will be pushed out or its true timetravel then killing himself will ... kill himself.
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Remember, the shifting effect doesn't actually apply to time-travel, at least, not if one character is aged beyond the other. Old-Weir wasn't forced out in Before I Sleep, and the past-SG1s from Moebius didn't hit problems either, though they were five thousand years in the past from their other selves.
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has anyone noticed various SG-1 members left behind polluting existence? A Daniel Jackson is 5000 years in the past alternate sam jack and Teal'cs are still alive and kicking, Cameron's stuck in the past from continuom.
I wasn't a fan of the movie because we already saw what would happen sans SG-1 in moebius and i really think they did it better there any way.
personally i envisioned this movie as STARTING in the alternate timeline, with some ignorant characters encountering the alternate SG-1 and learning their tale, this would have been a better way to introduce to a new audicne the events of ten years of SG-1. Heck you could have started with a hatak arriving in orbit and alternate SG-1 arriving in time to tell their crazy tale and save the day, only for ba'al to be hot on their heels with his Uber Fleet.
I wasn't a fan of the movie because we already saw what would happen sans SG-1 in moebius and i really think they did it better there any way.
personally i envisioned this movie as STARTING in the alternate timeline, with some ignorant characters encountering the alternate SG-1 and learning their tale, this would have been a better way to introduce to a new audicne the events of ten years of SG-1. Heck you could have started with a hatak arriving in orbit and alternate SG-1 arriving in time to tell their crazy tale and save the day, only for ba'al to be hot on their heels with his Uber Fleet.
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Yes 10+ episodes and a ruined full length film aren't enough screen time for the replicators, let's ruin another movie with their presence. I swear the only thing that bothers me more than Ancient Deus Ex Machinas are the replicators who just can't die and have to keep reappearing.PREDATOR490 wrote: I would have been much happier seeing a plot involving the Replicators overrunning Baal's new timeline with Asgard technology and perhaps have them overrun Pegasus before their move to the Milky Way, Hence they have Wraith and Ancient technology as well.
Baal may have the Dakara device but having two galaxies worth of resources and ancient technology presents a valid reason for granting the Replicators an immunity to it. Thus Baal will be forced to help SG-1 reset the timeline where they can make a devil's deal by having his death sentance commuted or something.
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Keep reappearing, or REPLICATING???Stargate Nerd wrote:
Yes 10+ episodes and a ruined full length film aren't enough screen time for the replicators, let's ruin another movie with their presence. I swear the only thing that bothers me more than Ancient Deus Ex Machinas are the replicators who just can't die and have to keep reappearing.
eh yeah I know no ones laughing
I am relieed taht they keep popping up, to ahve them completely wiped out and forgotten is too star trekkie.
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You mean like the Borg?Themightytom wrote:I am relieed taht they keep popping up, to ahve them completely wiped out and forgotten is too star trekkie.
oh shit wait i see what i did there
Because far be it for Carter, Selmak, and Baal to once and for all eradicate the Replicator menance, forevering altering the balance of power in the galaxy and killing Selmak in the process in an ultimate, climactic battle for the fate of Earth... and actually have it, y'know, finish the job.
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It did,Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:You mean like the Borg?Themightytom wrote:I am relieed taht they keep popping up, to ahve them completely wiped out and forgotten is too star trekkie.
oh shit wait i see what i did there
Because far be it for Carter, Selmak, and Baal to once and for all eradicate the Replicator menance, forevering altering the balance of power in the galaxy and killing Selmak in the process in an ultimate, climactic battle for the fate of Earth... and actually have it, y'know, finish the job.
it's not their fault there was another version in another Galaxy and a blueprint in the asgard mainframe.
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They still "Saved" the galaxy, if they hadn't than no one would be able to "Save" it again in the next episode. They still altered the balance of power as well, the Goa'uld were effectively beaten except for ball who remained a comparatively minor threat. That defeat also prcipitated a paradigm shift in a lot of snake worshipping cultures.Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:You mean like the Borg?Themightytom wrote:I am relieed taht they keep popping up, to ahve them completely wiped out and forgotten is too star trekkie.
oh shit wait i see what i did there
Because far be it for Carter, Selmak, and Baal to once and for all eradicate the Replicator menance, forevering altering the balance of power in the galaxy and killing Selmak in the process in an ultimate, climactic battle for the fate of Earth... and actually have it, y'know, finish the job.
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You're missing the point. It cheapens "Threads", it cheapens season 8, it cheapens the death of the Asgard, it cheapens the whole damn series to have "Reckoning" essentially mean nothing in grand Trek style: "All that big important stuff that happened awhile back when we still had credibility as writers? Yeah scratch that."
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This story uses time-travel to a point where Earth's role in galactic history has been removed and the crowning role of that involvement is the very defeat of the Replicators. Bringing them back here would personnally strengthen that by depicting how events would have went without Earth's involvement. I.E Without Earth and SG-1 the Asgard lose to the Replicators and then those things pillage and rape everything in their path.
I was hopping the writers would have been good enough to match something like Serenity for Firefly's finale. Instead Ark of Truth was a load of shit but I will give them the benefit of the doubt because they didnt get the chance to rap up the Ori plot the way they wanted and the scope of the Ori's portrayal would be difficult to depict properly in a movie.
This movie however was essentially a two parter episode with a bigger budget and it wasted the majority of the time on a mix of nostalgia and trival crap.
This is not 'bringing them back' it should be going back to 'THEN' and the Replicators should exist in this timeline. There is nothing to suggest Baal took them out with the Dakara device and even less evidence that he would be capable of using the same tactic to wipe them out in another galaxy. He shouldnt know the address to any of the Asgard's galaxy stargates so that leaves the Replicators an entire galaxy to build forces from.
The Asgard obviously have actions going on in the Milky Way and the Replicators would logically be able to access records to find their way there after they finished the Asgard off so the bottom line remains simple.
This movie had the best premise ever to use the Replicators again and create a decent time travel story at least on par with Moebius. Instead they decided to copy Star Trek with a complete mash of the reset button after a medicore sea of fluff pretending to be drama.
I was hopping the writers would have been good enough to match something like Serenity for Firefly's finale. Instead Ark of Truth was a load of shit but I will give them the benefit of the doubt because they didnt get the chance to rap up the Ori plot the way they wanted and the scope of the Ori's portrayal would be difficult to depict properly in a movie.
This movie however was essentially a two parter episode with a bigger budget and it wasted the majority of the time on a mix of nostalgia and trival crap.
This is not 'bringing them back' it should be going back to 'THEN' and the Replicators should exist in this timeline. There is nothing to suggest Baal took them out with the Dakara device and even less evidence that he would be capable of using the same tactic to wipe them out in another galaxy. He shouldnt know the address to any of the Asgard's galaxy stargates so that leaves the Replicators an entire galaxy to build forces from.
The Asgard obviously have actions going on in the Milky Way and the Replicators would logically be able to access records to find their way there after they finished the Asgard off so the bottom line remains simple.
This movie had the best premise ever to use the Replicators again and create a decent time travel story at least on par with Moebius. Instead they decided to copy Star Trek with a complete mash of the reset button after a medicore sea of fluff pretending to be drama.
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What are you TALKING about? Reckons redrew the map of the galaxy, maybe you missed that while the replicators were a recurring threat, the Goa'uld were the whole focus of the stargate story. manipulating whole civilizations enslaving sentient beings, they ran EVERYTHING.Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:You're missing the point. It cheapens "Threads", it cheapens season 8, it cheapens the death of the Asgard, it cheapens the whole damn series to have "Reckoning" essentially mean nothing in grand Trek style: "All that big important stuff that happened awhile back when we still had credibility as writers? Yeah scratch that."
They didn't "Scratch" anything, the replicators were a big threat to the asgaard, using them to defeat the system lords was brilliant and then using the one device was absolutely convenient but you don't have to wipe out every last one in order for it to be a significant blow. if anything those episodes underscored the threat that the asurans represented.
"Scratch that" would have been "Hey heres the borg, an unstoppable undifferentiated mass that has no central weakness."
here's the queen infect her with a virus.
They DIDN'T do that. They left room for doubt. They let the story continue.
By your reasoning "reckoning" made "Lost City" superfluous because hey Anubis wasn't completely wiped from existence, it was just a setback..
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For a second... and just for a second... I thought they were going to have Mitchell pull a Philip J. Fry.
Baal's plan would have worked if the trio were not in between gates when the timeline change completed itself.
As such it was doomed to fail, because having an unaltered SG-1 in the alternate timeline allowed them to go through a chain of event allowing Earth governments to know about the other Stargate and the Antartica station on Earth, which in turn allowed SG-1 to go to Baal's time machine station and for Mitchell to survive long enough to return to 1929 to stop Baal's plan on the Achilles.
Now this could have been one-upped by Baal when he discovered that his plan didn't work. However, the only (supposedly) clone left was strapped to the Extraction device and that was the end of that. The only evidence of a new alternate timeline which nearly matched the original timeline is the photo of Mitchell with his grandfather, who probably told the new Mitchell that this was a relative of his who worked with the OSS or something, seeing as the new Mitchell didn't know who it was. The old Mitchell must have disappeared soon after to live a quiet life somewhere.
Also, William Devane was hilarious. "He hung up on me!"
Baal's plan would have worked if the trio were not in between gates when the timeline change completed itself.
As such it was doomed to fail, because having an unaltered SG-1 in the alternate timeline allowed them to go through a chain of event allowing Earth governments to know about the other Stargate and the Antartica station on Earth, which in turn allowed SG-1 to go to Baal's time machine station and for Mitchell to survive long enough to return to 1929 to stop Baal's plan on the Achilles.
Now this could have been one-upped by Baal when he discovered that his plan didn't work. However, the only (supposedly) clone left was strapped to the Extraction device and that was the end of that. The only evidence of a new alternate timeline which nearly matched the original timeline is the photo of Mitchell with his grandfather, who probably told the new Mitchell that this was a relative of his who worked with the OSS or something, seeing as the new Mitchell didn't know who it was. The old Mitchell must have disappeared soon after to live a quiet life somewhere.
Also, William Devane was hilarious. "He hung up on me!"
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No that's not at all what Continuum does. Continuum depicts a reality where one of the people instrumental in destroying the replicators once and for all, goes back in time with ALL the knowledge he had in our time. He already knows how to deal with the replicators. So either he told the Asgard how to do it as NecronLord suggested or he activated the device at Dakara as soon as the replicators came to the Milky Way.PREDATOR490 wrote:This story uses time-travel to a point where Earth's role in galactic history has been removed and the crowning role of that involvement is the very defeat of the Replicators.
And hell one could argue that the replicators invading the Milky Way was SG1's fault in the first place.