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SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-26 02:30am

That I was.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-26 11:15am

NecronLord wrote:Fine. You call it majico C'tan makinging black holes on their own. I'll call it necron technology.

You do that, its not like you are bias at all though *joke*

uhhh.... How is a Necron less tough that a termie??? Necrons can reform after being turned into blobs of molten metal. I would very much like to see a termie do that.

I would think it immensely likely that such occasions are due to things like Ressurection Orbs and the like, fluff damage to Necrons that neccesitated phase-out are IIRC vastly less.

The Tyranid invasion is pathetically easy to deal with, withdraw defenses, wait for them to move in to take a planet's biomass, hyper the DS in, and blow the planet up in their faces. The same can be accomplished without the DS with a few ships commiting a BDZ.

I suppose thats if you dont mind loosing planets

Bio-Titans dominating feild: Watch AoTC: Those heavy Turbolasers in the clone army were knocking down fairly large spacecraft. I would say that speaks well of thier ability to take down a large, fleshy, slower target...

Yes, But 40k titans, even the larger ones demonstrate rather more manuverability than a big floating ball. even Warlords can dodge incoming fire.

You have one group whose main strategy is getting in close enough Hand to Hand combat is actually a viable option vs. a group with very high powered ranged weapons....

Save that this group of close quarters fighters also have lots and lots of guns, as well as being extremely mobile resiliant fighters with plenty of heavy firepower of their own.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-26 03:54pm

white_rabbit wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Fine. You call it majico C'tan makinging black holes on their own. I'll call it necron technology.
You do that, its not like you are bias at all though *joke*

Hey. See my sig. I should be going for the C'tan. I just don't think that they can do that. If however we get any evidence to the contrary I will change my opinion.

Grand Admiral Ancaris · Post by **Grand Admiral Ancaris** » 2003-01-26 04:39pm

SylasGaunt wrote:Actually as I recall you hit a necron with a weapon that slags it and it's done. Termies can stand around inside plasma reactors and get stepped on by titans.

Necron Codex, Page 3.

"Turrets swivelling to the side, the column of tanks unleashed salvo upon salvoe into the steadily advancing Necrons. His guardsmen formed up, running into position and opening fire. Let them taste the might of the Cadian 23rd, thought Janssen, his parched lips twisting into a snarl. Raising his macrobinoculars, he focused on a crater of vitrified sand scattered with Necron remains. Pieces of broken machinery and chining debris crawling back together, the shattered and blackend Necrons rising as they grew whole again. A tall metallic figure in tattered robes stroke across the macrobinoculars' viewfinder for a second, and Janssen's breath caught as what had been merely a puddle of molten metal and fizzing sparks behind it flowed smoothly back into shape, a shining skeleton once more."

Even if unable to be repaired on the field, The remains can always be reformed back in the tomb or on the ship after phasing out. You simply cannot stop them, they will always come back.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-26 04:47pm

JediNeophyte wrote:I don't think the Empire would stand a chance in hell. The Empire simply does not have the resources. Imperial Guardsmen number in the billions, if not trillions, and that's not taking into account Space Marines, Sisters, plantetary militias, ship crews, clergy, and other support units. While the Empire does have impressive weapons technology, its just outclassed in terms of manpower.

Hmm, I would call that pretty much wrong, one example would be the Empires version of WW2 germany's Hitler Youth, they had a few trillion members, they expected another 10 trillion members in 5 years.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-26 04:52pm

xiophen wrote:?!?!? orcs can build guns out of wire and boxes? the orKs alone would out number the GE by millions to one *thank god they fight eachother more then anyone else.

Then why haven't they destroyed the IoM wich is outnumbered in planets alone atleast 40 to 1 in the SWGE's favor?

Grand Admiral Ancaris · Post by **Grand Admiral Ancaris** » 2003-01-26 04:53pm

NecronLord wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Fine. You call it majico C'tan makinging black holes on their own. I'll call it necron technology.
You do that, its not like you are bias at all though *joke*
Hey. See my sig. I should be going for the C'tan. I just don't think that they can do that. If however we get any evidence to the contrary I will change my opinion.

It's probably a combination of the two. Necrontyr technology, powered by the incredible energies of the C'Tan.

Grand Admiral Ancaris · Post by **Grand Admiral Ancaris** » 2003-01-26 04:55pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
xiophen wrote:?!?!? orcs can build guns out of wire and boxes? the orKs alone would out number the GE by millions to one *thank god they fight eachother more then anyone else.
Then why haven't they destroyed the IoM wich is outnumbered in planets alone atleast 40 to 1 in the SWGE's favor?

Cause they're too busy fighting amongst themselves. They don't care who/what they fight just as long as they get to fight.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-26 05:23pm

Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:
Necron Codex, Page 3.

"Turrets swivelling to the side, the column of tanks unleashed salvo upon salvoe into the steadily advancing Necrons. His guardsmen formed up, running into position and opening fire. Let them taste the might of the Cadian 23rd, thought Janssen, his parched lips twisting into a snarl. Raising his macrobinoculars, he focused on a crater of vitrified sand scattered with Necron remains. Pieces of broken machinery and chining debris crawling back together, the shattered and blackend Necrons rising as they grew whole again. A tall metallic figure in tattered robes stroke across the macrobinoculars' viewfinder for a second, and Janssen's breath caught as what had been merely a puddle of molten metal and fizzing sparks behind it flowed smoothly back into shape, a shining skeleton once more."

Even if unable to be repaired on the field, The remains can always be reformed back in the tomb or on the ship after phasing out. You simply cannot stop them, they will always come back.

What do you know the only slagged Necron mentioned in that quote only got up after a Necron lord passed nearbye.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-26 05:30pm

Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
xiophen wrote:?!?!? orcs can build guns out of wire and boxes? the orKs alone would out number the GE by millions to one *thank god they fight eachother more then anyone else.
Then why haven't they destroyed the IoM wich is outnumbered in planets alone atleast 40 to 1 in the SWGE's favor?
Cause they're too busy fighting amongst themselves. They don't care who/what they fight just as long as they get to fight.

Then I don't see why the situation with the SWGE in the IoM's place would be different.

Grand Admiral Ancaris · Post by **Grand Admiral Ancaris** » 2003-01-26 05:36pm

SylasGaunt wrote:What do you know the only slagged Necron mentioned in that quote only got up after a Necron lord passed nearbye.

It still got back up after being liquified. No termie is going to stand back up after being made paste.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-26 06:25pm

A Necron Termie would.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-26 06:41pm

Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:
SylasGaunt wrote:What do you know the only slagged Necron mentioned in that quote only got up after a Necron lord passed nearbye.
It still got back up after being liquified. No termie is going to stand back up after being made paste.

I think the point is, a Termy is actually capable of taking Necron melting fire power anyway.

So a Termy is actually tougher than a Necron, but the Necron gets to cheat and come back.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-26 07:58pm

Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:[
It still got back up after being liquified. No termie is going to stand back up after being made paste.

Except a termie can actually take hits from firepower that would liquefy a Necron. My statement putting terminators as more durable than necrons doesn't take into account the Necron self-repair (and that kind of self-repair is only possible when in close proximity to a special necron artifact anyway, hardly representative)

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-26 08:07pm

consequences Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:25 pm Post subject:

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Please Consequences dont give Necronlord any ideas

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-26 08:08pm

Who needs to give him ideas, according to the Necron fluff we're all doomed anyway. Though come to think of it, that's usually true of any of their 'bad-guy' fluff.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-27 08:58am

NecronLord wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:
NecronLord wrote:

Another boon. Seems quite clear that those ships were like deathbringers ship and not totally tech based on the necrontry. And it is important if you want to judge the abilities of the C'tan alone.

xiophen · Post by **xiophen** » 2003-01-27 10:06am

Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:
SylasGaunt wrote:What do you know the only slagged Necron mentioned in that quote only got up after a Necron lord passed nearbye.
It still got back up after being liquified. No termie is going to stand back up after being made paste.

Well actually most of said weapons a termie could survive. In gam and by fluff a SM in power armor is suppose to be the equvilent of a necron short of the Self Repair ability.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-28 12:19am

That's nothing. There's actually a story in the first Chapter Approved about a Terminator that survived being stepped on by a Warhound Titan.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-28 02:24am

That's not that bad, the termie would be pushed into the ground and embedded, but the actual pressure on him wouldn't be that much more than the normal ground pressure of the Titan, and they don't seem to sink into the earth a hundred feet with each step.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-28 02:47pm

consequences wrote:That's not that bad, the termie would be pushed into the ground and embedded, but the actual pressure on him wouldn't be that much more than the normal ground pressure of the Titan, and they don't seem to sink into the earth a hundred feet with each step.

Warhounds weigh about 400 tonnes IIRC

Another boon. Seems quite clear that those ships were like deathbringers ship and not totally tech based on the necrontry. And it is important if you want to judge the abilities of the C'tan alone.

Necron living metal is however definately their own, they posessed it before the C'tan became their gods.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-28 03:05pm

Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
white_rabbit wrote: You do that, its not like you are bias at all though *joke*
Hey. See my sig. I should be going for the C'tan. I just don't think that they can do that. If however we get any evidence to the contrary I will change my opinion.
It's probably a combination of the two. Necrontyr technology, powered by the incredible energies of the C'Tan.

Possibly. Maybe, I just don't think Games Workshop are crazy enough to make them quite that uber. I can see it now; "The Nightbringer just ate a star... BANG your army is dead." Even though thats within their fluff capabilities. Natural black hole abilities is a bit dubious.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-28 03:09pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:
Armed with weapons of god-like power and ships that could cross the galaxy in a blink of an eye, the Necrontry stood ready to begin their way anew. But the C'tan had another boon to grant thier subjects.
Another boon. Seems quite clear that those ships were like deathbringers ship and not totally tech based on the necrontry. And it is important if you want to judge the abilities of the C'tan alone.

Its nightbringer. Learn it know it serve it, or prepare to die...

His ship is stated to be a special case, wherever the tech originated, what matters is the fact that the necrons have it, use it, and presumably can build more of it. Just for reference, a necron crew controlled the nightbringer's ship too.

Also the boon is a seperate sentance (Notice the grammar mistake anyone)

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-28 03:16pm

NecronLord wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:
Armed with weapons of god-like power and ships that could cross the galaxy in a blink of an eye, the Necrontry stood ready to begin their way anew. But the C'tan had another boon to grant thier subjects.
Another boon. Seems quite clear that those ships were like deathbringers ship and not totally tech based on the necrontry. And it is important if you want to judge the abilities of the C'tan alone.
Its nightbringer. Learn it know it serve it, or prepare to die...

His ship is stated to be a special case, wherever the tech originated, what matters is the fact that the necrons have it, use it, and presumably can build more of it. Just for reference, a necron crew controlled the nightbringer's ship too.

Also the boon is a seperate sentance (Notice the grammar mistake anyone)

as evidenced by the fact they forgot to fire back

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