Asgard Ship Size Discrepancies? (SG1)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-08-15 07:59am

Recently, I argued that the ship used by the Asgard in Camelot could not be called an O'Niell class because of its discrepancy in size relative to the ships Freyr turned up in to repel Anubis in Revalations and the similarly imposing size of Thor's flagship Unnatural Selection.

However, looking at the original O'Neill, (research for an Asgard-themed RPG campaign...) I've realised that it also seems far smaller than those ships.

The O'Neill in Small Victories Note that it appears to be closer to the camera than the mothership behind it. I think it actually passes in front of the other mothership, too, though I can't make screenshots on this computer at the momen. If this is so, then we're forced to conclude either:

1. There are two similar O'Neill-type ships, the first, O'Neill-class, a compact ship design, which could include the ship in Camelot and a second Valhalla class, accounting for the much larger ships seen in Revalations, Unnatural Selection and New Order.

2. There are two or more older mothership classes, externally similar. One, substantially bigger than the O'Neill class, the Valkyrie (named in commentaries and production art as the ship Thor uses in Small Victories, though there, the Replicator ships are said to be more advanced, too, which may imply different classes again, or simply more recently produced Valkyries) and another in Revalations (which I'll provisionally consider Beliskner class, as the vessel in Thor's Chariot couldn't have been much bigger than a couple of ha'taks either given its relative size to landing platforms).

From Revalations this vessel appears to be not substantially bigger than a ha'tak, perhaps twice the length or less. I believe there's frames that show the size difference more usefully here, too.

Additionally, the O'Neill seems to me to have several differences from the model used later, including the ship in Camelot, most notably; It has a glowing engine as the older Asgard motherships do, wheras those in later episodes do not. Though of course, the O'Neill is here accellerating linearly, whereas on most other occasions where we see its cousins, they are comparatively stationary. Additionally, it appears to have an areial like device below its forward section. which later models lack.

So, I'm wondering if anyone can get more specific screenshots for scaling and comparison purpouses, or has any thoughts regarding either the possibility of a large pre-O'Neill battleship class, or of seperate O'Neill and Valhalla classes.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2008-08-15 08:05am

I have DVD's of the show.

If you can think of anything specific you want and I should be able to get some screen caps this evening.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-08-15 08:14am

Excellent; the scene of Small Victories wih the O'Neill flying in between the camera and a mothership, and if possible, a picture of it in space where it's not blurred too much by the motion, and if there are any, screencaps from Revalations showing Thor's ship or the other motherships clearly, relative to Ha'taks in scale, if you please. Thanks.

Themightytom · Post by **Themightytom** » 2008-08-15 10:38am

NecronLord wrote:Excellent; the scene of Small Victories wih the O'Neill flying in between the camera and a mothership, and if possible, a picture of it in space where it's not blurred too much by the motion, and if there are any, screencaps from Revalations showing Thor's ship or the other motherships clearly, relative to Ha'taks in scale, if you please. Thanks.

can you get a piture of the scene in unnatural selections where thors ship is carrying the prometheus? We could scale it based on taht and get the sizes of the others.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-08-15 01:19pm

Ta da!

Stargate Nerd · Post by **Stargate Nerd** » 2008-08-15 02:23pm

I think what makes this scaling endeavor harder is that we don't have clear comparative shots between the Daedalus and Prometheus classes. And while we have seen a Daedalus close to Ha'tak, IIRC we have only seen the Prometheus close to an Al'kesh.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2008-08-17 03:02pm

This is the best shot from small victories. Unfortunately there aren't any images of the the O'neill placed nicely in profile with the Beliskners.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2008-08-17 03:04pm

Looking at the Vessel in Revelations, i'm going out on a limb and saying that that is a very different ship to the prototype we have here.

It could be that O'neill is simply being used as the Moniker for a range of warships, as the Small Victories ship look more like Camelots one.