Zerg vs. Yuuzahn Vong

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-29 08:22pm

Just before the Zerg invade, the Protoss Empire is replaced by a numerically equivalent YV force. The Terrans disappear entirely, and their space is divided evenly between the Zerg and Vong. Who wins?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-29 08:40pm

GG, Zerg win.

Once the Cerebrates got a hold of the creatures that the Vong use as weapons, vehicles, etc (not to mention the Vong themselves), all they have to do is wait a little while, make new strains, and then send out deadlier, more kick-ass versions right back at 'em.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-29 08:51pm

You will be assimilated. Resistance really is futile, bitch.

The Vong have no artillery that I've read of. How will their vaunted warriors withstand a horde of rampaging Ultralisks?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-29 08:58pm

I dunno, on the ground the Vong will be owned for sure but in space....

Well thats a whole different ballpark. We've never seen anything to make me believe that the Vong, whom are able to destroy NR ships, are somehow weaker than the Zerg whom we have too little information about space abilities to really contend here. But if the Zerg were even as remotley powerful as the Vong, they'd have all sorts of planet-killing weapons. Do they? Apparently not, considering all they ever do is infest a planet and call it home.

The best bet I could give them is their scourges, of which two or three were used to down a Terran BC. Again, however, said BC has never showed firepower (even with the Yamato gun) any greater than maybe an ST ship.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-01-29 09:02pm

I give it to the zerg. A cheesy zergling rush would eat Vong ground forces alive.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-29 09:20pm

The Vong wrecked their galaxy in interstellar genocides. They survived a 1000 + year journey across the void. They could take apart planets and use them to make ships.

The Zerg are a nomadic and vicious horde of genetically engineered freaks limited to a relatively small slice of the galaxy.

They die.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-29 09:30pm

The Zerg are billions, if not trillions, strong, every one of them warriors. A single Hydralisk is probably a match for a Vong warrior- they have a range advantage and Hydralisk claws have ripped through heavy battle armor like tissue paper.

And then there's all the nasty special effects. Vong organic ships assimilated, or their vehicles being sacrificed in the middle of battle to spawn Zerg broodlings. Entire legions of slave-soldiers reduced to a crawl as thousands of Zerglings race up and down their lines, trailing death and gore.

Anyone know how powerful a Scourge explosion is? What if a dozen of them slammed into a Vong ship? Would the doven basils affect them? Couldn't the Zerg simply overwhelm it?

I think the Zerg take this one.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-29 09:51pm

HemlockGrey wrote:The Zerg are billions, if not trillions, strong, every one of them warriors. A single Hydralisk is probably a match for a Vong warrior- they have a range advantage and Hydralisk claws have ripped through heavy battle armor like tissue paper.

Until a coralskippers comes form the heavens to fry their asses. Zerg (at least from what we see in SC) are NOT space oriented as the Vong are. Ground battles would be of little consequence. If they lost, they would just use some bio-weapon to kill the planet. The Zerg had claimed, what? Twnety Terran colonies? they' dbe forced to flee in a matter of days.

And then there's all the nasty special effects. Vong organic ships assimilated, or their vehicles being sacrificed in the middle of battle to spawn Zerg broodlings. Entire legions of slave-soldiers reduced to a crawl as thousands of Zerglings race up and down their lines, trailing death and gore.

Again, you put too much emphasis on ground war. The YV have shown that they can throw away planets with relative ease with their sneaky bio-weapons. Even if some of their ships were assimilated, what are the odds they wouldn't have to be to slowly be built like Kerrigan in the Chrysallis. Everybody would be dead by then. And where would the Zerg find the right materials (like the yarrik coral) to build these ships? It's not just lying around. I doubt the Zerg would be able to duplicate the basics of a coral skipper alone.

Anyone know how powerful a Scourge explosion is? What if a dozen of them slammed into a Vong ship? Would the doven basils affect them? Couldn't the Zerg simply overwhelm it?

Lets get some figures down. A BC Yamato gun can kill another BC. In the game (ie-yamato cannons do not instantly kill building, or those around it also) these cannons can be GENEROUSLY rated at mid-kiloton level.

The scourges didn't kill the BC, only damaged it. They might be rated at low KT. I doubt they would have any effect on anything but fighters. About the Dovins using their cheap ass black holes to absorb it, I dunno.

As you can see, in space the YV have a huge advantage. The Zerg would never see them coming, Vong ships would stomp Zergs, and the ground battles, if not taken by YV warriors, would just be nuked from space.

YV easily take this one.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-29 10:48pm

The YV are bigger in scope, have better FTL, have better hulls, better tactics, and more powerful weapons.

Some of the massive YV ground attack creatures have SW-level firepower. They'll slaughter the relatively small by comparison Zerg.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-30 12:01am

Vong firepower, range and speed is too great. But it would take them a fucking long time to wipe out the Zerg. Though they wouldn't totally wipe them out, expect to find a great many new Vong creatures after the battle.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-30 12:03am

HemlockGrey wrote:You will be assimilated. Resistance really is futile, bitch.

The Vong have no artillery that I've read of. How will their vaunted warriors withstand a horde of rampaging Ultralisks?

Actually they have dinosaur sized creatures covered in shielding and plasma cannons, they have firepower which threatened medium sized Star Wars freighters. They also use capital ships and fighters along with otehr small craft to support there troops within atmospheres.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-01-30 01:54am

From all this talk of scourges slamming into Vong vessels... what's to stop dovin basals from deploying singularities to suck them up? Hell, what's to stop those mammoth ground tank bug things from using dovin basals to suck up zergling swarms, or even ultralisk swarms?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-30 02:54am

There's a ton of genetically engineered creatures that the Vong use. One of them is basically a flying flamethrower... and we all know how susceptible the Zerg are to napalm

There are also a number of tank-like creatures, which either hover off the ground via dovin basals or slide across it slug-like. The larger ones house plasma eruptors.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-30 03:31am

Crayz9000 wrote:There's a ton of genetically engineered creatures that the Vong use. One of them is basically a flying flamethrower... and we all know how susceptible the Zerg are to napalm

There are also a number of tank-like creatures, which either hover off the ground via dovin basals or slide across it slug-like. The larger ones house plasma eruptors.

I thought the rakamat walked on legs?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-30 04:48am

Sea Skimmer wrote:I thought the rakamat walked on legs?

I can't remember the quote, although it might have walked. Either way, it was still friggin' annoying for the NR troops...

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-01-30 05:06am

Crayz9000 wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:I thought the rakamat walked on legs?
I can't remember the quote, although it might have walked. Either way, it was still friggin' annoying for the NR troops...

It moved on little feet- akin to a centipede or millipede IIRC