Is hard scifi space war possible?

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Re: Is hard scifi space war possible?

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sirocco wrote:I believe that if we can make machines smarter we will make humans more smarter so that they can keep up.
That's one way of doing it. Of course, at that point the ship wouldn't be crewed by humans, it would be crewed by human uploads running on the ship's computer.

If you want to have humans on the warships for drama reasons in a far future setting, that is probably a much more plausible way of going about it than the usual putting actual flesh and blood human operators in the ships.
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Re: Is hard scifi space war possible?

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sirocco wrote:
"A machine that can solve a problem 4 billions time faster than any human can also make a 4 billion more stupid blunder than said human."
Artificial Intelligence may be created, but Artificial Common Sense will be trickier to achieve.
Well Starglider is the resident expert here but making 4 billion mistakes a second instead of a year is a good thing. It means you learn that much faster. 8)
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Re: Is hard scifi space war possible?

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Junghalli wrote:
sirocco wrote:I believe that if we can make machines smarter we will make humans more smarter so that they can keep up.
That's one way of doing it. Of course, at that point the ship wouldn't be crewed by humans, it would be crewed by human uploads running on the ship's computer.

If you want to have humans on the warships for drama reasons in a far future setting, that is probably a much more plausible way of going about it than the usual putting actual flesh and blood human operators in the ships.
Fair enough. I hadn't thought about the upload phenomenon. It makes sense, though; if you can create neural networks complex enough to mimic human intelligence, it should be simple enough to upload a human's consciousness (or at least a facsimile thereof) and have that make decisions.

The mass penalties for having fleshy humans aboard (never mind the PR cost if those people are lost in action or accident) make it prohibitive, yes. However, I still think that--at least until AIs reach full citizenship status--humans will be in the loop for kill/no-kill decisions if nothing else. That means that they'll have to be considerably less than a light-second away; you may have less than a second to "take the shot", as it were. This leads me to believe in the missile boat or beam truck for "hard sci-fi" warships.
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