Invid VS Tyranids

[Eviscerator]

Did a search and its not been done before so here goes..

Presume that the Regent won the war against the REF and that the Regis without REF meddling (Mars DIV, etc) has also completely dominated earth. Then the Regis forgave the Regent and they kissed and made up

Summary:
Defender:
Optera and the rest of the worlds, peryton, haydon IV, etc all with fully subjugated populations, no resistance, production facilities in place on all planets like Genesis Pits and Mecha factories so on. REF mecha was collected and stockpiled, subject populations are basically trained to be able to use REF mecha to augment Invid garrisions. Presume full strength Invid Garrisons on all planets with mix of Inorganics, Pincers, Shock Troopers, Command Battloids etc. REF warships (no tech evolution) are in limited service with planetery defence forces and also are in production with "ascended" Invid crewing. Protoculture supply is not an issue All facilities, mecha and warships are kept in a almost factory perfect condition (its an hive race after all)

http://www.robotechreferenceguide.com/ all info pertaining to RBtech units are here

Attacker: Hive Fleet on the scale of Behemoth, with Tyranid evolution also at the same stage. The Hive Fleet came across the Opteran Worlds through *handwaving* and they decided YUM, lets go eat these worlds full of life. Additional Hive Fleets may be called in as required.

No Neutron-S missiles, No SDF-3. Robotech Masters are cowering somemore. The Zentraedi (T'sentrati) were completely and utterly exterminated and the only remaning Zentraedi war machines are in musuems.

Haydon IV and HAYDON do not play a role here, Minmei is a curio in the Opteran Royal Hive, Earth is so far away it doesnt factor in. NO, Minmei's Magic Singing DOES NOT affect the Tyranid Hive Mind.

Let the two hive races begin the battle.

[Eviscerator]

Oh, and the Robotech Factory Sattelite in this scenario was not destroyed, the Regis elected to capture it, and it is now in the Optera system functioning at capacity, retooled to produce Invid mecha and REF mecha/ships for Invid/PDF Use.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ptn/Naval/RobotechFactory.html

[Darksider]

Robotech's firepower and durability levels are somewhere between B5 and Star Trek. Far below anything that's been thrown at the Tyranids and failed to stop them.

This is over inside of five minutes.

[VF5SS]

Attempting to argue the power of an old Japanese anime based on an even further bastardized interpretation is really futile.

[Eviscerator]

Granted Behemoth's main force broke against a single planet, albeit the home planet of the ULTRAMARINES, how can't the opteran worlds with both the Regis and Regent working in concert at least make a fight of it? And REF vessels and mecha.

Yes, the main guns of the warships have from 65 to 90mt power at full force , that shouldnt be so weak now can it?
Individual Invid Mecha weapons range from 5MJ to 14MJ, and there's a whole LOT of Shock Troopers and such

Don't the Inbit at least have some chance

[Eviscerator]

Just as a added equaliser why not add the Neutron-S's back in. The design specs and one or two examples are in mothballs. Boom?

[Serafina]

No, they don't.

Behemoth broke against a single planet, but that was frigging Ultramar - which, incidentially, is a close cluster of various prosperous worlds.

40K-warships have gigaton-range firepower. Common 40K sidearms have 5-20 MJ of firepower, depending on variables (That's for laspistols - there are boltpistols, plasma pistols and even frigging melta pistols).

And the Tyranids overran a planet defended by such a force - heck, they do it all the time, they were beaten from space at Ultramar.
Given that larger Nids can withstand 40K-anti-tank weapons and are not even scratched by lasguns or even bolters, you are totally outclassed on the ground. A single Carnifex could beat dozens of Mechas with ease.
It's pretty much the same in space - you have barely the firepower of a 40K-bomber (IIRC), so you will barely scratch even the tyranid escorts.

In short: They will all get eaten dissolved in digestion pools.

[Eviscerator]

Well then the Regis pulls her race transcending schtick and *handwaves away Behemoths, and they all live happily ever after on a better plane than the rest of us.


Alas poor Regis, we barely knew you.

[DrStrangelove]

That website isnt canon, just some dudes who made up numbers. Thats why its called the UNOFFICIAL robotech reference guide, actual calcs for various weapons are somewhat higher, gigaton range for reflex and synchro cannons, none of which really apply to the Invid

[Eviscerator]

i factored in that the Invid would like to use REF vessels becoz their own navy is somewhat deficient. Reflex and syncro-cannons are almost standard fittings on the larger REF ships.

Geez almost anything 40K is massively overpowered compare to a lot of other universes/

[VF5SS]

Plus it's Robotech so none of that stuff is actually real anyways. Just new names for existing footage.

[Eviscerator]

Yes its an amalgamation of 3 different animes, like mospeada etc and they slapped different names on everything
Legioss = Alpha, etc etc. I am aware of this Rose by any other name...

So is there any real way the Invid (Inbit) working together using Human Mecha/Vessels have any real chance of stopping or even making the Hive Mind say "OUCH?"

[VF5SS]

Rose by any other name...

If by that you mean one good rose and two mediocre roses duct taped together then sure.

So is there any real way the Invid (Inbit) working together using Human Mecha/Vessels have any real chance of stopping or even making the Hive Mind say "OUCH?"

The Inbit are just your typical underdeveloped bug race from a failed show. There's not enough depth or information on them to make any substantial conclusion. The fact in their show, Inbit kamikaze is the most viable tactic says something about both sides of the conflict.

[Vendetta]

Is it time for another of those big lists of power rankings so we stop getting woefully lopsided versus matchups for a few minutes?

[Sinewmire]

Behemoth broke against a single planet, but that was frigging Ultramar - which, incidentially, is a close cluster of various prosperous worlds.

40K-warships have gigaton-range firepower. Common 40K sidearms have 5-20 MJ of firepower, depending on variables (That's for laspistols - there are boltpistols, plasma pistols and even frigging melta pistols).

And the Tyranids overran a planet defended by such a force - heck, they do it all the time, they were beaten from space at Ultramar.

Exactly. The defense force, including *all* the Terminators of the Ultramarines were wiped out to a man. The Tyranids lost because of the space battle. The planet didn't break them, the huge Space Marine and Imperial Navy battlefleet broke them. Via the suicide of an Imperial Emperor Class Battleship, if I recall.

[Black Admiral]

The Dominus Astra, flagship of Battlefleet Bakka, yes (although there is actually some debate as to whether or not she was actually destroyed, in-universe).