SGU 119, Subversion (Spoilers)

[stormthebeaches]

First we never see any indication of a major industrial base on the Aschen colony world that SG-1 visited. It is entirely possible that their homeworld held all their industry and supported a truly massive population. This is why they tried to depopulate their allies and then turn them to agriculture. They might be complete hypocrite assholes who talked of population control while demonstrating none themself.

This would suggest that while some Aschen and their large harvester ships may survive the loss of their homeworld to the Blackhole none of their industrial base would exist. So a few Aschen with hightech farm implements might be all that is left of their society.

Second, everything about the Aschen has demonstrated subversion and manipulation of lesser tech planets for their own benefit. This would mean that their weapons tech no reason to be very advanced. Instead their advances have been in areas they have focused on which is biological and genetic warfare.

Firstly we only saw one Aschen colony world. They would have industrial bases on other worlds.

Secondly, several of the Aschen colony worlds have Stargates. They could have dialed the co-ordinates Earth gave them through one of their colony worlds. This would led to the destruction of the colony world but it would keep their home world safe.

Thirdly, the Aschen technology we have seen is very advanced and could easily be applied for military purposes. The Aschen must have some kind of military, if for no other reason than to keep order on their home world. Even countries like Switzerland keep a standing army and the Aschen have more reason to maintain a military than Switzerland.

[Bilbo]

Thirdly, the Aschen technology we have seen is very advanced and could easily be applied for military purposes. The Aschen must have some kind of military, if for no other reason than to keep order on their home world. Even countries like Switzerland keep a standing army and the Aschen have more reason to maintain a military than Switzerland.

Lets list that technology.

1. Hover technology as seen in their harvesters.
2. Chemical/biological/genetic weaponry as demonstrated by their wiping out the Goauld, sterilizing Earth, and serilizing other human populations.
3. Site to Site transporters as shown in the future. Which is really nothing more than a variation on Asgard beaming or Rings.
4. Small laser weapons that do less damage than a small cailbre pistol but fire quite often.
5. Sophisticated satellites for surveying solar activity.
6. In theory the ability to turn Jupiter into a star. We dont see this but conversation implies they can do it.

We see no spaceflight ability, limited knowledge of the Stargate, none of the weapon disabling technology like the Tollan. We see nothing at all that suggests the Aschen have any ability to do anything beyond visit nearby planets via the Stargate and use biological weapons to depopulate the planets. The one planet we see this done to Daniel suggests has a technology somewhere in the area of the 1940s or 50s if I am remembering right.

For all we know this is the extent of their abilities. The Aschen may be a prolific species on their homeworld who use subserviant allies in their confederation to grow food for themselves. Since the Aschen have zero real experience with the Stargate and no exprience with jumping gates they would not know to use a shaped charge to defeat the connection to the Blackhole Planet which very likely suggests that their homeworld was destroyed (or possibly that a colony world was destroyed which meant it was just boom gone as the Aschen would have little ability to figure out what happened once the colony dialed the address.

Side question. In the fight where the Aschen gain the suitcase there is a part where they try to drop a bio weapon through the gate (assuming I am remembering right). Was there any mention of how the Aschen were going to defeats Earths Iris?

Also since we never ever see Aschen again isnt this a pretty safe assumption they are gone? With SG-1 traveling back and forth to the colony world it seems obvious that at some point the Aschen would gain Earth's address. Yet we never hear of attempts by them to dial Earth.

[spaceviking]

Side question. In the fight where the Aschen gain the suitcase there is a part where they try to drop a bio weapon through the gate (assuming I am remembering right). Was there any mention of how the Aschen were going to defeats Earths Iris?

I assume they were planning to use it only for a surprise attack, when earth would still be on friendly terms even if negotiations were breaking down. This seems to fit their M.O given the lengths they go to avoid a straight up fight.

Actually given this nature I think it is likely in the alternate future Earth defeated the Gould with Aschen assistance and technical expertise, but not a level of involvement that would place the Aschen confederacy in danger if the plan failed.

[NecronLord]

6. In theory the ability to turn Jupiter into a star. We dont see this but conversation implies they can do it.

They had done that in the Volian system.

We see no spaceflight ability,

It's stated to exist

limited knowledge of the Stargate, none of the weapon disabling technology like the Tollan. We see nothing at all that suggests the Aschen have any ability to do anything beyond visit nearby planets via the Stargate and use biological weapons to depopulate the planets. The one planet we see this done to Daniel suggests has a technology somewhere in the area of the 1940s or 50s if I am remembering right.

They've never gone to a world by stargate. They found the gate buried on each world they went to.

Also since we never ever see Aschen again isnt this a pretty safe assumption they are gone? With SG-1 traveling back and forth to the colony world it seems obvious that at some point the Aschen would gain Earth's address. Yet we never hear of attempts by them to dial Earth.

See the unpublished script page I linked you to before. It's cost that's prevented us seeing them again, nothing more.

[stormthebeaches]

Lets list that technology.

1. Hover technology as seen in their harvesters.
2. Chemical/biological/genetic weaponry as demonstrated by their wiping out the Goauld, sterilizing Earth, and serilizing other human populations.
3. Site to Site transporters as shown in the future. Which is really nothing more than a variation on Asgard beaming or Rings.
4. Small laser weapons that do less damage than a small cailbre pistol but fire quite often.
5. Sophisticated satellites for surveying solar activity.
6. In theory the ability to turn Jupiter into a star. We dont see this but conversation implies they can do it.

We see no spaceflight ability, limited knowledge of the Stargate, none of the weapon disabling technology like the Tollan. We see nothing at all that suggests the Aschen have any ability to do anything beyond visit nearby planets via the Stargate and use biological weapons to depopulate the planets. The one planet we see this done to Daniel suggests has a technology somewhere in the area of the 1940s or 50s if I am remembering right.

The Aschen did turn another planet into a star. They did this so Volian would get twice the sunlight and grow crops better. Turing another planet into a star would take a huge amount of energy. This energy could be used in some form of weapon system.

We don't see any spaceflight technology but it is mentioned that the Aschen travel to the different planets in their confederation via ship. And considering the other advanced technology we have seen (turning planets into stars and site to site transporters) I have a heard time believing that they don't have spaceships.

The Aschen may be a prolific species on their homeworld who use subserviant allies in their confederation to grow food for themselves. Since the Aschen have zero real experience with the Stargate and no exprience with jumping gates they would not know to use a shaped charge to defeat the connection to the Blackhole Planet which very likely suggests that their homeworld was destroyed (or possibly that a colony world was destroyed which meant it was just boom gone as the Aschen would have little ability to figure out what happened once the colony dialed the address.

If the Aschen had any brains (and they are described as being intelligent) they would test the new Stargate co-ordinates on one of their colony worlds and keep a ship overhead to observe what happens.

Really, who are you so opposed to the Aschen reappearing?