Doctor Who S5e11 "The Lodger" [Spoilers]

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Some concept art already appeared which shows what the inside of the Pandorica is like...

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/pandorica-secr ... d-6826.htm

[Crossroads Inc.]

can you put a spoiler tag on that? though....I kinda guessed that is whats inside it.

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I wanted to edit it but the timer ran out on me...

From the tardis wikia, the cast list is as follows:
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Cast

* The Doctor - Matt Smith
* Amy Pond - Karen Gillan
* River Song - Alex Kingston
* Young Amelia Pond - Caitlin Blackwood
* Rory Williams - Arthur Darvill
* Liz 10 - Sophie Okonedo
* Winston Churchill - Ian McNeice
* Dorium - Simon Fisher-Becker
* TBA - Philip Madoc
* Claudio - Marcus O'Donovan
* Tabitha Pond (Amy's mother) - Karen Westwood
* Aunt Sharon - Susan Vidler
* Daleks/Cybermen/Judoon (voice) - Nicholas Briggs
* Commander Strak - Christopher Ryan

[Gramzamber]

Some concept art already appeared which shows what the inside of the Pandorica is like...

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/pandorica-secr ... d-6826.htm

Oh good lord that's so unbelievably trite, I really hope that's a fake out.

[El Moose Monstero]

Spoilered as it pertains to the above link.
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Probably not, it is totally in keeping with the hints of what's gone before. River killing a good man, the doctor's dark side, blood of millions on his hands, a plot that can only lead to a big red reset button and the writers not actually have the balls to let people stay dead. Ugh. I predict lowest common demoninator dreck ala Stolen Earth and Journey's End, made slightly more palatable by continued good acting from Matt Smith and the fact that we aren't saddled with pointless masturbations over how awesome it would be to have every character ever made in it. Although if that cast list is true...

I'd like to be wrong, but the optimism with which this season began has faded. I find myself agreeing with Stark dreaming of being swept up in Stark's manly embrace more and more each day.

[Stuart Mackey]

Why are wee seeing so many of the previous Doctors in this series?
As for the 'blood of billions etc', look at that from two sides, his enemies don't like him very much for a reason.

[Eternal_Freedom]

That's true. It certainly didn't say "blood of billions of innocents" or whatever. Heck, they must have been billions of Daleks at the end of the Time War. Probably a few hundred million Cybermen over the years. That whole Sontaran fleet. The other bunch of Sontarans he erased from history. All the Autons he's bumped off. All the people killed on 200100 AD Earth when it got bombarded. Yeah, quite probably the Doctor has the "blood of billions" on his hands

[Captain Seafort]

All the people killed on 200100 AD Earth when it got bombarded.

I've no issue with the others, but I don't see how the Doctor can be held responsible for this - the bombardment was carried out by the Daleks, and would have been carried out at some point regardless of what the Doctor did.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Fair point. I was just running through a list of mass murder's the Doctor's been involved in in some way

[Manus Celer Dei]

The "explanation" such as it was, was that Craig "didn't want to leave" and the ship needed someone who wanted to leave. When, the other chick, suddenly got motivated and "wanted to leave" it then picked her up stairs. Thats about it, and, somehow when they both fell in love and "Didn't" want to leave again, the ship imploded...

... Because of Quantum.

I dunno, it made sense to me, and was pretty clearly foreshadowed throughout the episode. It wasn't particularly complicated.

Also, I call BS on the holographic villain. It utterly failed to behave like an automated simulation when Craig (y'now, I can't even remember his name, that's how boring he was, I had to look at a previous post) knocked on the door and it answered as an old white haired man. It intended to try every single human on the planet, but when one actually comes knocking without having to be tricked into coming, it tells him to bugger off.

... can you say plot hole?

It didn't act like a automated simulation and appeared as an old man because it was trying to stay hidden. Did you miss the whole thing about the ship disguising itself as the top floor? Or how it used different projections to trick people? Do you really think it'd make more sense if the ship had been all "BEEP BOOP NEED HUMANS FOR FUEL" just because someone came to it instead?

The reason it didn't want Craig was pretty much the central part of the dramatic climax of the episode, but I'm not that surprised you seem to have missed that, given how much attention you appear to have paid.

[Revy]

I dunno, it made sense to me, and was pretty clearly foreshadowed throughout the episode. It wasn't particularly complicated.

It made about as much sense as the Doctor defusing a robot bomb by convincing it to "think human".

It didn't act like a automated simulation and appeared as an old man because it was trying to stay hidden. Did you miss the whole thing about the ship disguising itself as the top floor? Or how it used different projections to trick people? Do you really think it'd make more sense if the ship had been all "BEEP BOOP NEED HUMANS FOR FUEL" just because someone came to it instead?

The reason it didn't want Craig was pretty much the central part of the dramatic climax of the episode, but I'm not that surprised you seem to have missed that, given how much attention you appear to have paid.

Did you miss the whole thing where it clearly states the exact population of the human race and says how it intends to try every single one until it finds someone who works? And you seem to be implying that it refused to try Craig because somehow it knew he would make it implode or something. Funny, since it displayed no such insight when it planned on plugging in the Doctor, despite the fact that the Doctor tells us he would make the worst possible pilot and would blow up the solar system if it used him. Where was the things brilliant insight you attribute it then?

It was shitty writing, but no, by all means go ahead and make exscuses for the writers. God knows they need people like you to exscuse the numerous crappy episodes we've had to sit through this season.

[Manus Celer Dei]

Did you miss the whole thing where it clearly states the exact population of the human race and says how it intends to try every single one until it finds someone who works? And you seem to be implying that it refused to try Craig because somehow it knew he would make it implode or something. Funny, since it displayed no such insight when it planned on plugging in the Doctor, despite the fact that the Doctor tells us he would make the worst possible pilot and would blow up the solar system if it used him. Where was the things brilliant insight you attribute it then?

Why do you assume that because it can tell Craig doesn't have the appropriate psychological make-up that it should be able to tell that using the Doctor would blow it up? It could tell Craig didn't want to leave and the Doctor did, there's no reason to believe it's capable of anything more. Hell, it's sensors must be pretty vauge and non-specific since it apparently wasn't able to identify the Doctor as a non-human IIRC; only as a "suitable pilot". It doesn't show any capability beyond superficial psychic probing and a population count, while you seem to be ascribing to it the ability to know what'll happen when forced to use unfamiliar life-forms that it might not have ever even encountered before.

I mean, it's not like the whole episode was caused by the machine being unsuited for this task when left on it's own or anything!

It was shitty writing, but no, by all means go ahead and make exscuses for the writers. God knows they need people like you to exscuse the numerous crappy episodes we've had to sit through this season.

[Admiral Valdemar]

It could simply refuse to accept people who voluntarily come to try and enter the ship, as some sort of security mechanism. It's not like the ship was fully functioning, so this hoo-ha over it being nitpicky is a bit contrary given the thing was, as I recall, fucked. Oh gosh, what a huge assumption to think the A.I. may also be fucked.