Gundams vs. the Empire

[Ford Prefect]

Why is the Turn A/X able to teleport anything through that same shield, a shield that is able to withstand punishment that would reduce a whole world to molten glass?

Haha, holy God, I want you to read this sentence again, and then I want you to come back here and tell me that you honestly think it's not the most retarded line of reasoning ever conceived. The shields can resist lots of energy, ergo they can block teleportation? How does that even remotely follow?

[Wyrm]

Why is the Turn A/X able to teleport anything through that same shield, a shield that is able to withstand punishment that would reduce a whole world to molten glass?

Haha, holy God, I want you to read this sentence again, and then I want you to come back here and tell me that you honestly think it's not the most retarded line of reasoning ever conceived. The shields can resist lots of energy, ergo they can block teleportation? How does that even remotely follow?

In order to get inside the shield, the teleportation process has to go through the shield. And shields are designed to keep things out. This isn't hard.

Unless you're suggesting that Turn A/X teleportation is extradimensional in nature, which doesn't remotely follow from just the word "teleportation", which just means "disappears from A and appears at B". The ST transporter is a type of teleporter, for instance.

[SAMAS]

Why is the Turn A/X able to teleport anything through that same shield, a shield that is able to withstand punishment that would reduce a whole world to molten glass?

Haha, holy God, I want you to read this sentence again, and then I want you to come back here and tell me that you honestly think it's not the most retarded line of reasoning ever conceived. The shields can resist lots of energy, ergo they can block teleportation? How does that even remotely follow?

In order to get inside the shield, the teleportation process has to go through the shield. And shields are designed to keep things out. This isn't hard.

No it doesn't. The whole point of teleportation is that it bypasses the intervening space altogether.

Unless you're suggesting that Turn A/X teleportation is extradimensional in nature, which doesn't remotely follow from just the word "teleportation", which just means "disappears from A and appears at B". The ST transporter is a type of teleporter, for instance.

No, Transporters are explicitly described as a transmission. Converting mass to a wave form and transmitting it to the target location. This transmission can and has been blocked, cloned, split, reflected, and many other things.

[Admiral Valdemar]

The issue is creating nano-machines that can actually apply that atomic force to anything. They are also going to be incredibly sensitive to changes in temperature so even the engine wash from a passing space taxi should cook a bunch of them and make them worthless.

Nanomachines do that all the time, that's kind've their raison d'être. From ribosomes to Drexler's engines of creation, the idea is they're working at that level. The only limiting factor is their energy source. But these are magic sci-fi ones, hence it's assumed they suffer no entropic issues like real life inorganic nanomachines.

Other points stand. Nanotech is just wanked out anyway.

[Ford Prefect]

In order to get inside the shield, the teleportation process has to go through the shield. And shields are designed to keep things out. This isn't hard.

Unless you're suggesting that Turn A/X teleportation is extradimensional in nature, which doesn't remotely follow from just the word "teleportation", which just means "disappears from A and appears at B". The ST transporter is a type of teleporter, for instance.

You know that part where I said 'how does that begin to follow'? Imagine I said it again, only while being totally bewildered. This is exactly like saying that you could not teleport through a solid wall, as the wall would block your passage.

[Batman]

And it's a completely valid question. Teleportation has to SOMEHOW get the teleportee from point A to point B, and unless it canonically does so by a mechanism that WOULD ignore Wars shields, they absolutely are a concern.

[Havok]

Haven't shields been shown to block teleportation in almost every Sci-Fi that uses them?

[Havok]

Unless you're suggesting that Turn A/X teleportation is extradimensional in nature, which doesn't remotely follow from just the word "teleportation", which just means "disappears from A and appears at B". The ST transporter is a type of teleporter, for instance.

No, Transporters are explicitly described as a transmission. Converting mass to a wave form and transmitting it to the target location. This transmission can and has been blocked, cloned, split, reflected, and many other things.

So how does this Turn A transportation technology work? Is it stated as magic, or is there some 'hard sci-fi' *snicker* behind it?

[Night_stalker]

Haven't shields been shown to block teleportation in almost every Sci-Fi that uses them?

Probably, but they do it by in my opinion, by making getting a firm idea of the destination impossible. After all, who wants to risk teleporting when more than likely you'll appear INSIDE a wall?

That or the authors just want to avoid wanking the teleporter too much by giving it a weakness.

[Stark]

Uh, no. Generally they do this by blocking the transmission medium; even in ST they can get accurate and detailed sensor information inside a shielded ship, but can't transmit inside it.

Other kinds of teleportation don't use a physical medium and wouldn't be affected in this way.

[Night_stalker]

Like I said, that was just my opinion, I was honestly guessing as to how one could jam a teleporter without just jamming the sensor readings.

[Norade]

Uh, no. Generally they do this by blocking the transmission medium; even in ST they can get accurate and detailed sensor information inside a shielded ship, but can't transmit inside it.

Other kinds of teleportation don't use a physical medium and wouldn't be affected in this way.

This all assumes that they would obviously know the layout of an ISD well enough that they would know what a weak point was to even shoot it.

[SAMAS]

Uh, no. Generally they do this by blocking the transmission medium; even in ST they can get accurate and detailed sensor information inside a shielded ship, but can't transmit inside it.

Other kinds of teleportation don't use a physical medium and wouldn't be affected in this way.

This all assumes that they would obviously know the layout of an ISD well enough that they would know what a weak point was to even shoot it.

For one, they share similar design motifs when it comes to bridges and engines.

[Ford Prefect]

This all assumes that they would obviously know the layout of an ISD well enough that they would know what a weak point was to even shoot it.

Yeah, you know the main reactors, which are vital to the operation of a warship? They take up like fifty percent of a Star Destroyer's wedge. It's not exactly much of a leap to assume that the best place to make a triple digit megaton beam (or multiple if you're feeling spectacular) appear is right in the middle of the target.

[Norade]

That is true, but if they do that they no longer have a functional vessel that they can use to travel to anyplace and any intel they would have gained is gone. Also, they may spot the primary bridge, but a secondary bridge isn't so obvious and once the practice of teleporting weapons to the primary bridge becomes known running the ship from the secondary and more hidden bridge should become common. They would first have to capture or board an intact ISD to find out that info and the chances of that may not be very high.

Also, there has to be a physically explainable method that the beam uses to teleport, even magic isn't magic anymore when it is real. Thus saying that it can go through shields when it has never faced anything like them in its home universe is a stretch. As neither side can prove anything banking your hopes on a single unit being able to shoot accurately through shields seems a bit of a stretch.

[Norade]

Thus saying that it can go through shields when it has never faced anything like them in its home universe is a stretch.

Shields obviously don't block a number of mundane phenomena, like visible light, so why are you automatically assuming they must be able to block this exotic one? Light beams have never faced anything like shields and certainly aren't specialized to defeat them.

Yes but light doesn't normally penetrate and shields are shown to have an energy threshold where they suddenly start blocking energy as evidenced by them allowing visible light through but stopping high energy bursts that would damage the ship. The same can be seen for physical objects as after a certain velocity or perhaps kinetic energy is reached you splat against them instead of pushing through. Not to mention that the same argument can work against your weapon, it has never faced a shield or ECM/ECCM on the level of what Star Wars can put out before therefore evening getting anything more than a visual lock could be anywhere from tough to impossible.

[Bottlestein]

Which character in the Gundam series would "lead" this fight against the Empire? I've seen the original (0078?), 08th MS etc. up to Char's counterattack, and Wing obviously. I've not found many commanders that would be any good in a war against the empire. Out of the commanders from Wing, Trieze is the only one who could do any strategic thinking - Zechs is a decent operational planner at best. From the earlier timelines, some of the Zabis (Zeon dynasty) might be close to Trieze's level.

Is there much the Newtypes could do? The intuition was mostly applied to piloting, and the reversal of the asteroid in Char's counterattack is really nothing compared to what the Empire can muster. I don't really see a Newtype sensing the location of the Emperor, or being able to utilize hyperdrive, or anything drastic such as that. Unfortunately, without any drastic method of attack, Gundam is toast. Their industrial production is not only outclassed by orders of magnitude, its very vulnerable. The Empire's FTL as well as sublight acceleration advantage means the mining line from Jupiter is going to require pretty much all the defence forces that can be produced.