Zeon as a power in the Battletech Universe

[Swindle1984]

Do we have a clip of the scene in question? I've never actually seen Stardust Memory, so it'd be nice to be able to analyze it for myself.

[Sinanju]

Solomon, I have returned!

Yeah, that is a lot more than a hundred ships. When you first see Gato's screen it's filled with lights. Then he zooms in on a patch of the screen and you can see those lights are ships...and then there are even more ships that weren't visible at the original distance.

[Norade]

Wait, so you can zoom in and get accurate data even during a large scale fleet action that should be saturated with M-particles... I though that was supposed to be impossible.

[Sinanju]

Wait, so you can zoom in and get accurate data even during a large scale fleet action that should be saturated with M-particles... I though that was supposed to be impossible.

Actually, it was a naval review. The Federation basically gathered a bunch of ships in one place to show off, and got ambushed. In the clip I provided you actually see a bunch of flag officers at 0:31 who had no idea they were under attack until the GP-02 showed up on their scanners. Whoops, too late!

Also, I like how you disappeared pages ago and now slink back in to make a pithy comment while pretending nothing happened. Just so you don't get confused, I was being sarcastic.

[Norade]

Wait, so you can zoom in and get accurate data even during a large scale fleet action that should be saturated with M-particles... I though that was supposed to be impossible.

Actually, it was a naval review. The Federation basically gathered a bunch of ships in one place to show off, and got ambushed. In the clip I provided you actually see a bunch of flag officers at 0:31 who had no idea they were under attack until the GP-02 showed up on their scanners. Whoops, too late!

Also, I like how you disappeared pages ago and now slink back in to make a pithy comment while pretending nothing happened. Just so you don't get confused, I was being sarcastic.

I never disappeared, I was busy for a few days, and when I had more time to respond the thread had moved on so you can take that attitude and shove it. You also ignore the fact that even simply gathered for review the M-particles from the ship's reactors would be a significant source of interference.

[Norade]

Minovsky particles shouldn't be released under normal circumstances; they would be stored for use later.

Ah, I was unaware of that, but even so those same ships should have had an easy time spotting an attack given the shear number of sensors present in a fleet that large and the fact that even under review you still have all posts manned.

[Sinanju]

Of course, this is completely ignoring the guys who did spot the attack at the edge of the fleet and started firing at around 0:24 (but, apparently, not in time for everyone to be informed)...and the guys who spotted him at 0:31 like I mentioned. Of course, the fact that 30 seconds later they were all dead rendered the point moot anyway.

[Zinegata]

Again, I'm not conclusively convinced all those lights are MS.

At 0:50, Gato starts zooming towards the Federation flagship Birmingham (the canon ground zero). The ships closer towards the screen with a distinct profile seem to be Magellan-class ships, of which 7 are in a line and 2 more are flanking the line (9 battleships total). And there are more elongated shapes around this line, which seem to be cruisers or more battleships (especially the ones arranged in a straight line). Figure about 40 of the lights are "likely capital ships", 80 if you count the ones in the upper left corner that are blobby-shaped. The rest of the lights don't have an elongated shape and are scattered all over the screen.

However, there's an important thing to note here: The Birmingham is at the center of the formation, where all the battleships and capital ships are. So what Gato may have been seeing was all of the capital ships that are part of the main naval review (or a very large portion of it).

In fact, go back to 0:47. We see an awful lots of lights (of many differen sizes I might add), but you can't actually see if they're ships. Given that Gato is still pursued by massive hordes of GMs afterwards, it's probably safe to say that very many of those lights in the peripheries may be of support ships and MS on parade.

Otherwise, I'm chalking this up to 0083 being a blatant work of Titan propaganda .

[Sinanju]

Hm, you might be right. I imagine that the EFSF fleet, all of its' assigned mobile suits, and all of Konpeito's assigned mobile suits could easily account for all the objects flying around.