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Let's talk about Blake's 7!

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Using the search function tells me it hasn't come up in a while, and I think a good analysis thread is in order. I've been slowly watching through (up to mid-season 3 at the moment), and I think there's enough info available to come up with at least some numbers. Bear in mind, I haven't seen past there, so I'm probably missing some good stuff so far...

I noticed a few people asking about scaling for the Federation persuit ships, I'll get some screens, as there were some shots usable for scaling (in 'Duel', the Liberator almost collides with Travis' ship).
As for some preliminary thoughts:

Fleet sizes:- Have been well-established as less-than-impressive. Though we don't get a solid number for the Federation, the invading Andromedans fleet of 600 is thought to be fuckoff huge.

Territory:- Appears to be galaxy-spanning, with mention of intergalatic ships being developed (in 'Horizon', IIRC).

Industrial capacity:- Seems in line with the smallish fleet numbers, though I'm interested to see how many new ships come into play later on (this would give a better idea of post IG war rebuilding).

Firepower:- Hard to quantify. Unless there are some examples of asteroid blasting or planetary bombardment in the later episodes, we really only have ship-to-ship battles to go on, as well as the couple of examples of ships one-shotting space stations.

Speed:- We can get some idea of the Liberator's top speed, from Redemption. Orac's prediction occurs in the 12th Sector, which Blake states to be "halfway across the galaxy". Ordinarily, this could be a figure of speech, but Avon (who had earlier worked out the precise location) said the same thing to Jenna. Given that Avon does not generally exercise in hyperbole, this figure can probably be used as a decent approximation.
When the System takes control of the Liberator, the ship is accelerated to its maximum speed. Blake and Avon concur that at that speed, the energy banks will be completely depleted in ~2 hours. Given that there is no mention of a power transfer from the other System ships, we can assume that the Liberator arrived at Sector 12 under its own power.
Covering 50,000 lightyears in 2 hours (actually less) gives us a phenomenal top speed of 25,000ly/h, or 219,150,000c. That would be an entire order of magnitude faster than SW hyperdrive!
Even if we assume "halfway across the galaxy" was merely a figure of speech, the speed we're dealing with is still astounding.

WMDs:- There were a couple of instances of planet-wasting WMDs.
The Solium dirty bomb on Albion in 'Countdown', which could kill the entire population (6 million) with radiation, which would clear within days, leaving the planet completely reusable.
The Pyroans of Obsidian had a planet-busting bomb in 'Volcano'. From memory, I'd thought it was a BDZ-type event, but based on the statement that the bomb was located at the planet's core, I would tend to think it cause full planetary destruction. The special effects don't reflect this, but I believe in the name of suspended disbelief we can cut B7 a little slack. :D

That's all from me for the moment, it's getting rather late. Screens coming soon.
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Liberator is not a large ship, but is considered quite large and extremely powerful by the Federation techbase.

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The London (the small ship alongside Liberator) is maybe 30 meters long (depending on how you related the size of the boarding tube to the size of the inner tube the guys go through) and directly against her.

PS, 'analysis', oh dear. How many gigatonnes is the film flaring out purple streaks whenever their gun pyro goes off? :V
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Blakes 7

god i haven't seen that show since the 70s!!!!
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Blake's 7 is proof that Stark does not hate everything.
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I don't even hate everything RUBBISH! :D

There aren't many scales for pursuit ships, but they aren't the bulk of the Federation fleet anyway; simply the fastest ships. Most of them can only fire a dozen or so plasma bolts (often much less) before having to retreat.
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Stark wrote:How many gigatonnes is the film flaring out purple streaks whenever their gun pyro goes off? :V
:mrgreen: Lots. Petatons, even.
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On the serious side, this is how much damage it does to a metal wall, in 'Project Avalon'.
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Each hole is from a single shot. Really, this gives us little clue about the damage mechanism, but we at least get a hint at how much damage they are capable of. I'll try and find some other examples of environmental damage. Eyeballing it (and from memory), I'd think it's fair to say that Federation guns are roughly on par with E-11s for general lethality and destruction. In other words, about the same as modern guns. :) This actually makes a lot of sense as to why the freedom fighter guy was using a modern gun, which would have been out-of-date, but still just as effective. The more high tech guns possibly don't have ammo concerns, though I seem to recall power packs coming up in an episode (possibly early season 3, I'll try and find it).

The much more classy guns from the Liberator...
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Seem to do the same thing to a wall.
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I always got the impression these guns were possibly sonic weapons, given the funky noise we get treated to as they fire, though they could be a lot of other things...
Any thoughts? I don't recall anything being said about how they worked.
Stark wrote:There aren't many scales for pursuit ships, but they aren't the bulk of the Federation fleet anyway; simply the fastest ships.
Quite true, they are mostly of interest because they are the Federation ships we see the most of.
This is the best scaling shot I could find (comes from 'Duel').
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Stark wrote:Most of them can only fire a dozen or so plasma bolts (often much less) before having to retreat.
Indeed, Travis' group of three were top-shelf. During the battle in 'Duel', I counted a total of 9 shots fired (the ship tagged Persuit 3 did most, but not all of the firing) before Persuit 3 was completely out of energy.

As for other ship types, I came across this one while reviewing 'Volcano':
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Unsure whether it was a battle cruiser, some sort of command ship or perhaps Servalan's own personal ride.

:?: Was there ever any mention of Federation ships having force walls (shields)? I don't recall it ever coming up. It appears to have been somewhat unique to the System's tech base...
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