Vlad Taltos vs Rand al'Thor

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Since there's no edit button, or one of the borderlands, especially Shienar.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Urgh. WoT fanboy. Urgh.
(Goes off to join NecronLord in draining trolls of life)

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Urgh. WoT fanboy. Urgh.
(Goes off to join NecronLord in draining trolls of life)

Bite me. So I like WoT. And that contributed what? Sorry for spam.

[HemlockGrey]

But if it did, Rand would probably win.

And although he may build up his forces in Cairhien, what are the chances that they'd stick with him, rather than think he is an uber-lord trying to play Daes Dae'Mar, the Game of Houses?

I know that. Vlad is not a Godlike savior. That's why it's not a straight-up fight.

And, Vlad, technically, is a lord; a Baronet of the House of the Jhereg. That ought to throw people off, though he's much more likely to build up a criminial network than to court the nobels.

Rand isnt limited to Carihein by Winters Heart either he could be in Tear ,Illian,Camelyn,or even Emonds Field.And Rand is bonded to a Green sister as her warder.And I`m not talking about Elayne Terkard either

And, thanks to the magic of instant teleportation, so can Vlad.

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But if it did, Rand would probably win.

And although he may build up his forces in Cairhien, what are the chances that they'd stick with him, rather than think he is an uber-lord trying to play Daes Dae'Mar, the Game of Houses?

I know that. Vlad is not a Godlike savior. That's why it's not a straight-up fight.

And, Vlad, technically, is a lord; a Baronet of the House of the Jhereg. That ought to throw people off, though he's much more likely to build up a criminial network than to court the nobels.

Touche. But he'll still have to try to move up in the Game if he wants to gain power. Cirhien is way too chaotic to just take over.

Rand isnt limited to Carihein by Winters Heart either he could be in Tear ,Illian,Camelyn,or even Emonds Field.And Rand is bonded to a Green sister as her warder.And I`m not talking about Elayne Terkard either

And, thanks to the magic of instant teleportation, so can Vlad.

But will he always for sure know where Rand is headed? What if Rand uses Portal Stones? Can Vlad teleport across diomensions?

[HemlockGrey]

Touche. But he'll still have to try to move up in the Game if he wants to gain power. Cirhien is way too chaotic to just take over

He doesn't have to take over, and he probably wouldn't want to. He'd just build up a network of button men, gambling establishments, enforcers, and spies in the Foregate, and spread it out to other cities.

But will he always for sure know where Rand is headed? What if Rand uses Portal Stones? Can Vlad teleport across diomensions?

It would take maybe a day to 'port to all the major cities and check to see if the Dragon has popped in; or he can simply contact his spies. And Rand is not likely to use Portal Stones, since they're dangerous, and he doesn't know where any of them are anymore.

[Typhonis 1]

How does Vlads teleportation work? With Rand he doesnt need to truly know where he is going as long as he knows where he is at.

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Touche. But he'll still have to try to move up in the Game if he wants to gain power. Cirhien is way too chaotic to just take over

He doesn't have to take over, and he probably wouldn't want to. He'd just build up a network of button men, gambling establishments, enforcers, and spies in the Foregate, and spread it out to other cities.

But it would take time to train them. He would have to take ove ra nation, similar to the way Rahvin did in the Fires of Heaven.

But will he always for sure know where Rand is headed? What if Rand uses Portal Stones? Can Vlad teleport across diomensions?

It would take maybe a day to 'port to all the major cities and check to see if the Dragon has popped in; or he can simply contact his spies. And Rand is not likely to use Portal Stones, since they're dangerous, and he doesn't know where any of them are anymore.

When does this happen? And what about the Ways?

[HemlockGrey]

How does Vlads teleportation work? With Rand he doesnt need to truly know where he is going as long as he knows where he is at.

IIRC, you can 'port anywhere, as long as you have a description of the place.

But it would take time to train them. He would have to take ove ra nation, similar to the way Rahvin did in the Fires of Heaven.

Not really. He'd just pick them off the street and tell them to go at their normal profession, just working for him. And he doesn't need a whole nation, just a hundred or so underlings.

When does this happen? And what about the Ways?

The Ways are either sealed or infested with Machin Shin. The Portal Stones, I don't recall Rand being able to control.

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How does Vlads teleportation work? With Rand he doesnt need to truly know where he is going as long as he knows where he is at.

IIRC, you can 'port anywhere, as long as you have a description of the place.

That is true. But Rand has been everywhere. How does Vlad's teleportation work?

But it would take time to train them. He would have to take ove ra nation, similar to the way Rahvin did in the Fires of Heaven.

Not really. He'd just pick them off the street and tell them to go at their normal profession, just working for him. And he doesn't need a whole nation, just a hundred or so underlings.

Maybe. You never know. The WoT world is pretty chaotic, and there are those that are willing to backstab at any given chance. It sometimes seems that WoT baddies are even more conniving and plotting that real world.

When does this happen? And what about the Ways?

The Ways are either sealed or infested with Machin Shin. The Portal Stones, I don't recall Rand being able to control.

Loial knows his ways around the Ways. And Rand *can't* control the Portal Stones, *but* he can still use them. Never has it been mentioned that he can't, IIRC.

[HemlockGrey]

That is true. But Rand has been everywhere. How does Vlad's teleportation work?

He can 'port anywhere as long as he has a description.

Maybe. You never know. The WoT world is pretty chaotic, and there are those that are willing to backstab at any given chance. It sometimes seems that WoT baddies are even more conniving and plotting that real world.

You've obviously never read the Song of Ice and Fire.

But, this has happened to Vlad before, and he's prepared.

Loial knows his ways around the Ways. And Rand *can't* control the Portal Stones, *but* he can still use them. Never has it been mentioned that he can't, IIRC.

True, but since he can Travel, why would he use either?

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That is true. But Rand has been everywhere. How does Vlad's teleportation work?

He can 'port anywhere as long as he has a description.

And he may not have a description.

Maybe. You never know. The WoT world is pretty chaotic, and there are those that are willing to backstab at any given chance. It sometimes seems that WoT baddies are even more conniving and plotting that real world.

You've obviously never read the Song of Ice and Fire.

But, this has happened to Vlad before, and he's prepared.

Actually, no I haven't. I'm learning about this stuff as I go along.

Loial knows his ways around the Ways. And Rand *can't* control the Portal Stones, *but* he can still use them. Never has it been mentioned that he can't, IIRC.

True, but since he can Travel, why would he use either?

Because it takes too much time? Who knows. If he wants to escape Vlad, either of the other could be just as easy to implement as Travelling.. Just depends on the situation.

[HemlockGrey]

And he may not have a description.

He just needs to grab some guy off the street who's been to whatever city and ask him what it looks like.

Actually, no I haven't. I'm learning about this stuff as I go along.

SoIaF isn't related to Taltos at all. It's a medieval fantasy series by George R. R. Martin, and the plotting and scheming in it puts Jordan to shame.

Because it takes too much time? Who knows. If he wants to escape Vlad, either of the other could be just as easy to implement as Travelling.. Just depends on the situation.

Traveling is far faster than either of those methods, and since Vlad can still find out where he went by asking around, they have no real advantages.

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And he may not have a description.

He just needs to grab some guy off the street who's been to whatever city and ask him what it looks like.

How well would the description need to be?

Actually, no I haven't. I'm learning about this stuff as I go along.

SoIaF isn't related to Taltos at all. It's a medieval fantasy series by George R. R. Martin, and the plotting and scheming in it puts Jordan to shame.

In other words, it was a moot point. Why did you bring it up?

Because it takes too much time? Who knows. If he wants to escape Vlad, either of the other could be just as easy to implement as Travelling.. Just depends on the situation.

Traveling is far faster than either of those methods, and since Vlad can still find out where he went by asking around, they have no real advantages.

On the other hand, how many people know what the Ways look like? How many know what it is like between dimensions? Surely if Rand left the doorway open long enough, Vlad would be able to teleport. And as far as the Ways, Vlad could teleport inside there, but what is goin to help him out once they are completely dark? What if the Black Wind, Machin Shin, gets him?

[HemlockGrey]

How well would the description need to be?

Long enough to distinguish it from a similar looking place.

In other words, it was a moot point. Why did you bring it up?

Because you made a comment about how WoT villians were incredibly sneaky, when they really aren't.

On the other hand, how many people know what the Ways look like? How many know what it is like between dimensions? Surely if Rand left the doorway open long enough, Vlad would be able to teleport. And as far as the Ways, Vlad could teleport inside there, but what is goin to help him out once they are completely dark? What if the Black Wind, Machin Shin, gets him?

Why would he want to? He'd simply wait until the Dragon pops out into another city and teleport there.

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How well would the description need to be?

Long enough to distinguish it from a similar looking place.

Okay.

In other words, it was a moot point. Why did you bring it up?

Because you made a comment about how WoT villians were incredibly sneaky, when they really aren't.

Compared to that series. How about compared to the series you speak of?

On the other hand, how many people know what the Ways look like? How many know what it is like between dimensions? Surely if Rand left the doorway open long enough, Vlad would be able to teleport. And as far as the Ways, Vlad could teleport inside there, but what is goin to help him out once they are completely dark? What if the Black Wind, Machin Shin, gets him?

Why would he want to? He'd simply wait until the Dragon pops out into another city and teleport there.

So really all he needs is a description of Rand?

[Crom]

Vlad is an assassin. If it comes down to a straight-up fight something went horribly wrong with Vlad's plans.

Vlad would spend his time learning about Rand, spending a couple weeks in necessary doing research. Rand has been known to do some extremely impulsive things, often leaving the safety of his troops and wandering around. Frankly I think if Vlad wanted to take him down, he could. But then, Vlad doesn't like killing humans.

Vlad's sorcery, also, from what I've read isn't terribly strong. He's a much more adept witch, which is more about psionics. Still, no one in WoT understands witchcraft, so there's another advantage to Vlad.

So in a sneaky assassin fight Vlad wins. In a straight out fight Vlad get's hammered to dust by Aiel and Asha'man.

[warwiller]

Assuming Vlad manifested himself in Cairhien, an immediate consequence is that each every WoT denizen there would die from pure awesomeness radiating from him. Among other things, this means several dead stuck-up snobs which may or may not be appreciated.

[Dalton]

9 year necro, folks. We have a record.