Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
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Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
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Everyone knows the Force is a metaphysical energy field that spans the entire galaxy, for which life in the Star Wars galaxy cannot exist without, manifested in physical reality as midi-chlorians. And it is sentient in its own, unique way. As for why the Force exists as it is, no one knows.
A lot of the things about the Force concerns the Light side and Dark side of the force. Light side of the Force are usually associated with Force-sensitives who uses the feelings of honesty, compassion, mercy, self-sacrifice, and other positive emotions as a source of power, whereas the Dark side Force users draw power from raw emotions like anger, hatred, and passion. As for why such two states of the Force exists, no one knows.
The conflict between the Light side and the Dark side Force users forms the central conflict of the entire series, endlessly repeating in a cycle of war and destruction over tens of thousands of years of galactic history. As for what the Force gained from allowing this to happen, no one knows.
I have a theory concerning the reason why such a situation exist: The Force is a galaxy-spanning emotional parasite.
The Force, I think, is simply an Eldritch Abomination that feeds all forms of emotions in general, needing both "Light Side" and "Dark Side" and all the other kinds of emotions as subsidence much like how a human body needs different kinds of nutrients.
The overall conflict between Light Side and Dark Side of the Force and "The Balance" of the Force is basically a massive negative feedback system that allows the creature to control the amount of emotional 'nutrients' it absorbs, for the sake of maintaining Homeostasis.
(This is based on a the "The Insidious Force" theory by Darth Traya during the Old Sith Wars era, in KOTOR II. But much, much darker.)
The powers and abilities of the Force and existence of Force-sensitives are merely the means to do so, like some sort of enzyme inhibitor in a metabolic pathway or process.
For example. The reason why the Dark Side of the Force is so addictive is because when it needs more "Dark Side" emotions to feed on from the Galaxy, it would be easy to corrupt Force-Sensitives, especially powerful ones like Palpatine, to create Sith lords who would then unleash Hell in the galaxy via the Force magnifying the worst traits in them with the power.
This would inhibit the power of the "Light Side" of the force in the galaxy (e.g. The many destruction of the Jedi Orders throughout Star Wars history) and lead to ages of conflict, oppression and chaos (e.g. Imperial Era and The Galactic Civil War), which would result from a massive release of raw, negative emotions from the hundreds of trillions of sentient beings in the Galaxy, on which the Force would feed on, via the Midi-chlorians in the sentient beings' bodies.
Light side of the Force? Same thing. Continuing the theory, when it has enough of Dark Side emotions and need Light Side ones, it might for example subtlety influence a lone Jedi or many Jedi to rise up to oppose the evil Sith lords (e.g. Galen Marek, General Kota, Luke Skywalker), exploiting an inevitability.
The Force, being a living force with links to emotions, and affect the mind, it might even be able to aid the demise of the Sith by subtlety influence the Sith Lords so that it amplifies their flaws and weaknesses (e.g. Palpatine's overconfidence and ego, preference to creating fear which backfires on him), making them easier to take down.
If successful, Eras of peace, freedom and order would be restore in the galaxy (E.g. New Republic Era), which in turn inhibits Dark Side emotions (aka forcing Sith into retreat). This results in dominance of the Light Side of the Force, which in turn releases positive emotions from the hundreds of trillions of sentient beings in the Galaxy, on which the Force would feed on. The Balance is once again restored.
In a nutshell, if my hypothesis is true, then this means ultimately, all the inhabitants of the Star Wars galaxy, good or evil, noble or malicious, exists solely as cattle for a cosmic horror, a sinister god-like creature of unimaginable power which sentient beings of Star Wars could not comprehend, and ultimately indifferent to the petty morality and struggles of the insignificant microbes of the physical universe that it actively exploits.
It plays on both sides of good and evil, giving them force powers to use for purpose of devouring the emotions released from the aftermath of their usage, for good or ill, just to balance its diet, not giving a thought to how many sentient beings that dies and suffers as a result.
And since all life in the Galaxy depends on the Force to exist, there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Food for thought, eh?
Everyone knows the Force is a metaphysical energy field that spans the entire galaxy, for which life in the Star Wars galaxy cannot exist without, manifested in physical reality as midi-chlorians. And it is sentient in its own, unique way. As for why the Force exists as it is, no one knows.
A lot of the things about the Force concerns the Light side and Dark side of the force. Light side of the Force are usually associated with Force-sensitives who uses the feelings of honesty, compassion, mercy, self-sacrifice, and other positive emotions as a source of power, whereas the Dark side Force users draw power from raw emotions like anger, hatred, and passion. As for why such two states of the Force exists, no one knows.
The conflict between the Light side and the Dark side Force users forms the central conflict of the entire series, endlessly repeating in a cycle of war and destruction over tens of thousands of years of galactic history. As for what the Force gained from allowing this to happen, no one knows.
I have a theory concerning the reason why such a situation exist: The Force is a galaxy-spanning emotional parasite.
The Force, I think, is simply an Eldritch Abomination that feeds all forms of emotions in general, needing both "Light Side" and "Dark Side" and all the other kinds of emotions as subsidence much like how a human body needs different kinds of nutrients.
The overall conflict between Light Side and Dark Side of the Force and "The Balance" of the Force is basically a massive negative feedback system that allows the creature to control the amount of emotional 'nutrients' it absorbs, for the sake of maintaining Homeostasis.
(This is based on a the "The Insidious Force" theory by Darth Traya during the Old Sith Wars era, in KOTOR II. But much, much darker.)
The powers and abilities of the Force and existence of Force-sensitives are merely the means to do so, like some sort of enzyme inhibitor in a metabolic pathway or process.
For example. The reason why the Dark Side of the Force is so addictive is because when it needs more "Dark Side" emotions to feed on from the Galaxy, it would be easy to corrupt Force-Sensitives, especially powerful ones like Palpatine, to create Sith lords who would then unleash Hell in the galaxy via the Force magnifying the worst traits in them with the power.
This would inhibit the power of the "Light Side" of the force in the galaxy (e.g. The many destruction of the Jedi Orders throughout Star Wars history) and lead to ages of conflict, oppression and chaos (e.g. Imperial Era and The Galactic Civil War), which would result from a massive release of raw, negative emotions from the hundreds of trillions of sentient beings in the Galaxy, on which the Force would feed on, via the Midi-chlorians in the sentient beings' bodies.
Light side of the Force? Same thing. Continuing the theory, when it has enough of Dark Side emotions and need Light Side ones, it might for example subtlety influence a lone Jedi or many Jedi to rise up to oppose the evil Sith lords (e.g. Galen Marek, General Kota, Luke Skywalker), exploiting an inevitability.
The Force, being a living force with links to emotions, and affect the mind, it might even be able to aid the demise of the Sith by subtlety influence the Sith Lords so that it amplifies their flaws and weaknesses (e.g. Palpatine's overconfidence and ego, preference to creating fear which backfires on him), making them easier to take down.
If successful, Eras of peace, freedom and order would be restore in the galaxy (E.g. New Republic Era), which in turn inhibits Dark Side emotions (aka forcing Sith into retreat). This results in dominance of the Light Side of the Force, which in turn releases positive emotions from the hundreds of trillions of sentient beings in the Galaxy, on which the Force would feed on. The Balance is once again restored.
In a nutshell, if my hypothesis is true, then this means ultimately, all the inhabitants of the Star Wars galaxy, good or evil, noble or malicious, exists solely as cattle for a cosmic horror, a sinister god-like creature of unimaginable power which sentient beings of Star Wars could not comprehend, and ultimately indifferent to the petty morality and struggles of the insignificant microbes of the physical universe that it actively exploits.
It plays on both sides of good and evil, giving them force powers to use for purpose of devouring the emotions released from the aftermath of their usage, for good or ill, just to balance its diet, not giving a thought to how many sentient beings that dies and suffers as a result.
And since all life in the Galaxy depends on the Force to exist, there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Food for thought, eh?
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
What evidence are you basing your theory that The Force needs emotions on? To my knowledge The Force is more akin to the dimension of the Warp then the beast's that inhabit it.
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
He already posted this in the Pure Star Wars section.lordofchange13 wrote:What evidence are you basing your theory that The Force needs emotions on? To my knowledge The Force is more akin to the dimension of the Warp then the beast's that inhabit it.
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
Interesting idea, but there are holes you'd need to address. Given the sheer scale of what you're describing, then why could Zonama Sekot (a petty living planet) strip the Vong of the Force? You would also need to address the Aing Tii who have no Light or Dark sides to the Force and practice a variant that can be used by non-Force sensitives or Grey Jedi who could use the Light and Dark sides. I'm sure there are other examples of Force users who are not slaves to the Light and Dark divide, but I can't think of any others right now. There was also some creature (can't remember the name) that existed in Hyperspace and could feed on as well as control the Force IIRC.
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
A link would be useful, i do not real want to go hunting for it.Crateria wrote:He already posted this in the Pure Star Wars section.lordofchange13 wrote:What evidence are you basing your theory that The Force needs emotions on? To my knowledge The Force is more akin to the dimension of the Warp then the beast's that inhabit it.
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
True as you say, but even more importantly the Light and Dark side are just concepts imposed by the user and not the only 2 in existence such as the Potentium and The Unifying Force belief. Light and Dark are just the most common ones to survive to the "modern" era.avatarxprime wrote:Interesting idea, but there are holes you'd need to address. Given the sheer scale of what you're describing, then why could Zonama Sekot (a petty living planet) strip the Vong of the Force? You would also need to address the Aing Tii who have no Light or Dark sides to the Force and practice a variant that can be used by non-Force sensitives or Grey Jedi who could use the Light and Dark sides. I'm sure there are other examples of Force users who are not slaves to the Light and Dark divide, but I can't think of any others right now. There was also some creature (can't remember the name) that existed in Hyperspace and could feed on as well as control the Force IIRC.
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It's at the beginning of PSW, first page. It's called "Is the Force an emotion parasite"lordofchange13 wrote:A link would be useful, i do not real want to go hunting for it.Crateria wrote:He already posted this in the Pure Star Wars section.lordofchange13 wrote:What evidence are you basing your theory that The Force needs emotions on? To my knowledge The Force is more akin to the dimension of the Warp then the beast's that inhabit it.
Damn you know it. You so smart you brought up like history and shit. Laying down facts like you was a blues clues episode or something. How you get so smart? Like the puns and shit you use are wicked smart, Red Letter Moron! HAHAHAHAH!1 Fucks that is funny, you like should be on TV with Jeff Dunham and shit.-emersonlakeandbalmer
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
I was hoping for a quicker response, sorry.Crateria wrote: It's at the beginning of PSW, first page. It's called "Is the Force an emotion parasite"
lordofchange13, Its just a theory, a hypothesis. To be honest I doubt if there is any evidence that supports it except Darth Traya's observation, and she only managed to prove that the Force's only interest is to maintain the Balance and life cannot survive without the Force. If anyone finds that distasteful, feel free to ignore this thread from now on. But it appears to me as the only logical reason why the Force exists as two aspects and makes it so important to maintain a balance, with either side unable to completely destroy each other, unless it is something that is 'needed'.
It is like the Warp. That's practically what I am suggesting. Its almost like The Force depends on emotions, and does so by giving portions of its power to Force Sensitives, Light or Dark, so their bickering and conflict will spawn endless circles of conflict and destruction, releasing emotions on a Galactic scale that it in turn feeds on to sustain its own existence)
(But apart from the fact that Light Side and Dark Side of the Force exists, the other theories don't have much ground either)
Personally, I would go with Darth Traya's Insidious Force beliefs because whatever its nature, it had resulted in nothing but endless conflict and destruction between the two sides. Better to do without it then.
But we might never be able to understand the true nature of the Force.
Besides, it could form the basis of a scary Lovecraftian story in the Star Wars universe
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
The Vong planet strip the Force from its original inhabitants because, according to the Expanded Universe, the Y Vong species had spent far too long destroying and conquering other species, which for some reason displeased the planetary intelligence of their world and make it decide to cut it off from the species.avatarxprime wrote:Interesting idea, but there are holes you'd need to address. Given the sheer scale of what you're describing, then why could Zonama Sekot (a petty living planet) strip the Vong of the Force? You would also need to address the Aing Tii who have no Light or Dark sides to the Force and practice a variant that can be used by non-Force sensitives or Grey Jedi who could use the Light and Dark sides. I'm sure there are other examples of Force users who are not slaves to the Light and Dark divide, but I can't think of any others right now. There was also some creature (can't remember the name) that existed in Hyperspace and could feed on as well as control the Force IIRC.
Who knows, maybe it discovered that the Force is actually subtlety pushing the Y Vong species to invade the Galaxy and cause a release of negative emotions from the hundreds of trillions of lives suffering and dying because of the conflict, and decides to try sabotaging its schemes. But that's just a theory.
Edit: Life forms in Hyperspace? Well, I certainly haven't heard of them.
Aing Tii is a grey Jedi, I think, completely neutral to conflict and walks a dangerous path in between. The Light Side and Dark Side is all about the two extreme ends of emotions, positive and negative, calm and passion, and I don't think that Aing Tii's existence is probably insignificant compared to the greater majority of the Galactic population who can't walk her path.
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Re: Is the Force a Cosmic Horror that feeds on emotion?
Do not duplicate posts you've already made. This belongs in the other topic. If there's anything new in it, post it there.
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